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    Post  GarryB 12/08/24, 04:59 pm

    Once again, Russia is humiliated. I am waiting to see Moscow’s response.

    Human traffickers send thousands of people over European borders every day, do this surprise you that during war time the enemy formed up a group and crossed a border that was only protected by border guards?

    Or do you think the Russian army should be mobilised and stand guard along a 1,500km border and just sit and wait for an attack to happen?

    I guess Kiev would love that because it would give them lots of targets to hit with ATACMS and other terror weapons at their disposal.

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    Sorry, but a ukrainian and new zealand flag is not convincing... if they were being honest they would need a nazi german flag too.

    If true it could be new chapter in warfare globally and significant demonstration of Ukrainian capabilities.

    Yeah, revolutionary stuff... never ever happened before in the history of war... a side found a thinly protected area that does not have a lot of enemy troops and they concentrated a force and attacked there... amazing... I hope the western military experts are taking note of this genius... stories will be told for centuries about the man who came up with this plan.

    no one with a functional mind should be believing Moscows stated losses, or Ukraines every side under reports that in war, its the norm

    You can claim anything you please. As far as I am concerned both sides have a track record of telling the truth and Moscow is pretty good, while Kiev are clearly lying about everything, who probably learned from their western masters because the west lie about everything too.

    BTW, I am sure that MediaZona was rounding up and adding fluff factors, so it's number cannot be considered the minimum.

    Mediazona and the west are not interested in finding the truth... they have a war to sell and the currency is how much bang for buck western donors are getting in terms of dead Russians. How many snow niggers can they kill is all that matters to them.

    I think it is good that the mask over the west has slipped and Russians and neutrals in this conflict can see the real west, because if both had any brains at all they would work hard to have nothing to do with them moving forward.

    They allowed the Kursk attack to happen just so they can further propagandize the Russian population to get more people involved in the war showing stronger support for the war than they did before. Surely that is the reason why a country that brags about how awesome they are at chess(strategic thinking game) would make such a monumental **** up that a middle schooler wouldn't make after he gets taught the Belgorad lesson.

    So you think Evil Russia is the same as the evil west who would certainly do such a thing, and has in fact probably done it multiple times to get western countries involved in conflicts that really had nothing to do with them in the first place.

    More the deeper you go inside the worse it gets, the problem was that the russians failed to notice a very large build up of troops to properly prepare for it, they where caught with their pants down because of it

    So you keep claiming. Kiev obviously does not use camouflage and secrecy and had 1,000 plus men openly driving armour to the border weeks ago and sat and waited a week and then attacked... bad Russian intel...  Rolling Eyes

    I think the purpose of this attack is to liquidate the most extreme Urkainian brigades. NATO knows the war is lost and the don't want these lunatics claiming refugee status in the EU. So send them to a glorious end in Russia.

    And they might agree to it because when their brigades are destroyed they can sneak off to Canada or the US of A and change their name and pretend they don't know who shot those Russian prisoners or committed all those other war crimes...

    Trump has no leverage over Russia. He can do nothing to change the situation on the ground.

    As Putin has said, Biden is not likely to flip flop on things and is more stable and predictable...

    I believe I said before that Russia should have shut down this plant and dismantle what they could.

    AFAIK it is basically shut down and all it does is provide power for itself to cool the reactors.

    Kiev, or should I say various groups in Kiev clearly want to ramp up the conflict... probably not happy with the prospects of a peace treaty as things stand.

    The irony is that pulling this sort of shit does not put them in any position of power and it certainly does not give them leverage... it proves they are terrorists and need to actually be exterminated and not negotiated with or even talked to...

    The opposite of what they say they want, but perhaps that is the plan anyway.[/quote]


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov 12/08/24, 05:55 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    thegopnik wrote:OK I think there is another reasonable explanation why the border was not protected.
    They allowed the Kursk attack to happen just so they can further propagandize the Russian population to get more people involved in the war showing stronger support for the war than they did before. Surely that is the reason why a country that brags about how awesome they are at chess(strategic thinking game) would make such a monumental **** up that a middle schooler wouldn't make after he gets taught the Belgorad lesson.

    Ukraine is still advancing in Kursk so zelensky might use it as a bargaining chip for donbass if Trump is president

    The border was not protected for one simple reason, it's too big and Russia doesn't have the troops to perfectly defend every single bit.

    In Western military command, we know when invading Russia, the problem is not getting inside no that is the super easy part, its tobig of a country there are simply to many access points you will ALWAYS find a weak spot unless Russia puts millions of men near every inch of it.

    More the deeper you go inside the worse it gets, the problem was that the russians failed to notice a very large build up of troops to properly prepare for it, they where caught with their pants down because of it


    Are we sure they were caught unaware? The longer Zelitadel goes on, the more hilariously stupid it looks.

    They where they were hastily sending in reserve units from all over the place to gathering zones so they could properly organize them and send them in to count attack even by the russians own admissions they where caught by surprise

    if Russia was aware these units would have already been in position to launch counter attacks
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov 12/08/24, 06:01 pm

    PhSt wrote:
    Question is what is Russia going to do about it?

    As I have advocated from the beginning the only Effective solution here is the FINAL SOLUTION. MASSACRE of the enemy population. Russia needs to stop playing nice and start behaving 100x more aggressively than the enemy. Use all methods available no matter how cruel, the End always justifies the means. Kill The Americans. Kill the Europeans. Kill the Ukranians. Show no restraint. Show no mercy. Slaughter them all in the name of peace! attack attack attack

    So Garry is advocating for literal Genocide against the rules?
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    Post  ALAMO 12/08/24, 06:13 pm

    Maybe you should consider caging the psycho dunno
    Just a friendly advice Laughing

    For a second day, the sea is washing ashore remains of ukro latest D-Day attempt ...

    NSFW, photos of dead bodies.:

    Those are the ones from the beach, because those who managed to land are not in condition to being shown - have been shattered to pieces in some cases.

    And one more interesting interview with POW emerged.
    This one is from 82th Brigade.
    He is just one more who confesses an absolute lack of objectives other than run as far as possible, and make as many vids as possible.
    They have been told to dig in if car gets out of fuel or destroyed.
    A mass psyops set to cause panic, with no chance of real gains at all.
    Heavier units has been decimated at the border belt, with only small forces on foot or in civilian/light cars able to run as far as 20km road route, only to be killed there. Or hide in woods/barns/cellars...
    As soon as Russkie brought heavier units and reinforcements, new attempts to penetrate the border they havetried for 2 days in different locations - all failed.
    What we have again, is a next 2000 men sacrificed in a suicidal mission only for tik toks.
    ISIS, bandera way.

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    Post  GarryB 12/08/24, 06:19 pm


    So Garry is advocating for literal Genocide against the rules?

    It is called freedom of speech.

    He is angry at what appalling things Kiev is doing and his suggestions for reactions and punishments are certainly excessive, but I understand why he is upset.

    Western audiences wanted blood at various times and have been happy to set nazi dogs on Russia to achieve that goal.

    If you want to argue what is hate speech that will be fine considering western stances on what hate speech is and also what freedom of speech is.

    Can I quote directly from the Rules:

    This is our forum, Mods will not censor or demand everyone conform to any idea or belief, but we do need to enforce the rules to keep order and manners.

    He wants the enemies of Russia to cease to exist. I understand how he feels, even if I don't agree with him.

    This is not the UK and I will not be hunting anyone to the other side of the planet over hate speech.

    Bear in mind if you plan to spend any time in the UK in the next 10 years you might want to be careful about what you say on an open internet forum, but that is your call.

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    Post  ALAMO 12/08/24, 06:30 pm

    Garry, those pics were not gore - that's why I posted them.
    Well washed I would say Twisted Evil
    Anyway, here is a source link :
    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/119077
    So beware dead man swimming ...

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    Post  Arrow 12/08/24, 06:39 pm


    Destroyed civilian cars shot near Sudzha.

    https://t.me/zovshkiper/759

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    Post  ALAMO 12/08/24, 06:46 pm

    He drove Lomonosova Street, the northern bypass of Sudzha.
    Vid ends somewhere here :
    51.21406308172443, 35.30765820518988

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov 12/08/24, 06:48 pm

    I didn't realize outright demanding the execution and murder of every single civilian in Ukraine was okay

    I also didn't realize that quoting the Final Solution which was the Nazi's plan of complete extermination of a race was okay

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    Post  Mir 12/08/24, 07:05 pm

    The attack on Zaporozyhe NPP is a clear sign that they failed in their primary objective to seriously damage the Kursk NPP.

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    Post  nomadski 12/08/24, 07:08 pm

    An observation regarding this Ukrs incursion into Russia border zone : ( 1 ) A rapid reaction force , held in reserve is needed , for mopping up operations , as Ukrs forces disperse in different directions , under Russian advances and Hammer blows . ( 2 ) Nuclear reactors in Russia to be ready for attacks , ready for emergency shut down . Nuclear reactors in Ukr territory , can have power output lines cut safely , stop electrical output in retaliation .

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    Post  mr_hd 12/08/24, 07:08 pm

    Mir wrote:The attack on Zaporozyhe NPP is a clear sign that they failed in their primary objective to seriously damage the Kursk NPP.
    You mean Russian tires that are burning there ha ha ha?

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    Post  higurashihougi 12/08/24, 07:21 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Now is the time to take the initiative and advance on Kiev. Then we'll see how the Ukraine and NATO deal with that.

    To made a decisive push to Kiev, Russia need a significant amount of troops to sustain the momentum and sustain the land they grabbed. Unfortunately, it is not the case. As I mentioned before, Russia manpower in the SMO is thinner than the Maidan armed forces so that the SMO will not be a burden to the economy, and Russians mostly rely on overwhelming airforces and artillery (and UAV) to do the job. That is also the reason why they do not have enough manpower to make a dense defense in Kursk region.

    For now, the sustainable approach is Herbert Plumer's "bite and hold", making reasonable gains using overwhelming firepower and solidify such gains before making newer offensives.
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    Post  Mir 12/08/24, 07:58 pm

    mr_hd wrote:
    Mir wrote:The attack on Zaporozyhe NPP is a clear sign that they failed in their primary objective to seriously damage the Kursk NPP.
    You mean Russian tires that are burning there ha ha ha?

    I don't know where you get your news from but as far as I can see this very serious terrorist act against the NPP is fully acknowledged in the Russian media. What low IQ fucks like you don't grasp is that should this cause another Chernobyl it's mainly your Nazi friends and the rest of Western Europe that's going to get the full brunt of the nuclear radiation and fallout. Enjoy you cancer!

    So now we have people openly propagating genocide and terrorism - and being allowed to do so under the banner of "free speech". Interesting...

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov 12/08/24, 08:20 pm

    Russia doesn't have the manpower for a push on keiv, they would if they declare war....but Putin won't allow that
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    Post  PhSt 12/08/24, 08:22 pm

    is advocating for literal Genocide against the rules?

    As per according to the Western "Rules Based" world order, you are Deliberately taking my statement out of context. My post is in no way advocating for Genocide, this is just your imagination.



    I didn't realize outright demanding the execution and murder of every single civilian in Ukraine was okay

    Ukraine has a long track record of execution and murder of peaceful Russians, perhaps its only fair if Russia does the same.



    I also didn't realize that quoting the Final Solution which was the Nazi's plan of complete extermination of a race was okay

    You have a wild imagination, the term Final Solution can mean many things, not just because the Nazi's used the Swastika symbol doesn't mean Nazis represent Buddhism. Not just because I used the term Final Solution doesn't mean I am promoting the Nazi Final Solution. Just like your government, you are accustomed to making malicious assumptions.
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    Post  PhSt 12/08/24, 08:31 pm

    Everyone is nauseated by this Western "Rules Based" Order. The sooner this so called order collapses, the better for all peace loving people of the world.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov 12/08/24, 08:39 pm

    PhSt wrote:
    is advocating for literal Genocide against the rules?

    As per according to the Western "Rules Based" world order, you are Deliberately taking my statement out of context. My post is in no way advocating for Genocide, this is just your imagination.



    I didn't realize outright demanding the execution and murder of every single civilian in Ukraine was okay

    Ukraine has a long track record of execution and murder of peaceful Russians, perhaps its only fair if Russia does the same.



    I also didn't realize that quoting the Final Solution which was the Nazi's plan of complete extermination of a race was okay

    You have a wild imagination, the term Final Solution can mean many things, not just because the Nazi's used the Swastika symbol doesn't mean Nazis represent Buddhism. Not just because I used the term Final Solution doesn't mean I am promoting the Nazi Final Solution. Just like your government, you are accustomed to making malicious assumptions.

    people can read dude and that is exactly what you said, don't try and back peddle now because you got called out
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    Post  Scorpius 12/08/24, 08:45 pm

    PhSt wrote:NATO is crossing multiple Russian Red lines at an accelerating pace, first the invasion of Kursk, now a Terrorist attack on the Zaporozyhe NPP, not to mention the attempted assassination of the governor of Belgorod. NATO will NOT STOP Until a Massive Russian strike that will KILL THOUSANDS is initiated. Russia needs to STRIKE NOW!!! attack attack attack


    @GarryB, Don't you think that the numerous calls for genocide are at least pulling at restricting access to the forum for a while?I'm already silent about the fact that the comments of some random couch expert about what Russia should do look too tedious here.

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    Post  PhSt 12/08/24, 08:55 pm


    people can read dude and that is exactly what you said

    You are stuffing words into people's mouths, just like how Zelensky is claiming how Russia started a "fire" in the Zapo NPP  Laughing


    Zelensky says Russian forces started fire at Russian-controlled nuclear plant in southern Ukraine

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/11/world/russian-controlled-nuclear-plant-fire-ukraine-intl/index.html



    don't try and back peddle now because you got called out

    Again, here you are making Retarded Assumptions Laughing I don't think like you Westerners, I don't play by your Retarded Rules Based World Order.
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    Post  PhSt 12/08/24, 08:58 pm


    numerous calls for genocide are at least pulling at restricting access to the forum for a while?I'm already silent about the fact that the comments of some random couch expert about what Russia should do look too tedious here.

    Are you a supporter of the Western Rules Based Order too?? Rolling Eyes



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    UK government warns 'think before you post' amid threats to arrest citizens for offensive rhetoric on socials

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov 12/08/24, 08:59 pm

    "As I have advocated from the beginning the only Effective solution here is the FINAL SOLUTION. MASSACRE of the enemy population. Russia needs to stop playing nice and start behaving 100x more aggressively than the enemy. Use all methods available no matter how cruel, the End always justifies the means. Kill The Americans. Kill the Europeans. Kill the Ukranians. Show no restraint. Show no mercy. Slaughter them all in the name of peace! attack attack attack"


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    Hm yeah I am putting words in your mouth alright.....
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    Post  ALAMO 12/08/24, 09:00 pm

    Scorpius wrote:

    @GarryB, Don't you think that the numerous calls for genocide are at least pulling at restricting access to the forum for a while?I'm already silent about the fact that the comments of some random couch expert about what Russia should do look too tedious here.

    It is not about this freak calling anything, but the fact that he is a psycho.
    Not much interested in sharing space with one, honestly.
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    Post  JohninMK 12/08/24, 09:05 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:Didn't I read somewhere that Zaprozhiye NPP has been offline for months?
    Yes. All 6 reactors are 'cold' with no requirements for cooling water.

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    Post  PhSt 12/08/24, 09:10 pm


    This is indeed a Historic moment in this forum, We can all see with our own eyes how a Coordinated NATzO influence operation is unfolding here, NATzO agents are upset with my calls for a SWIFT and HARSH Retribution from Russia as a response to the numerous provocations by NATO!

    Obviously, someone from NATzO is NOT Happy with this, and wants to control the narrative.

    I'm sure by now, its easy to Identify who is REALLY for Russia. and those who are NOT.

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