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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Mon Aug 05, 2024 9:17 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Probably not a good idea to be too close to an airbase munitions dump when it is attacked and effectively eliminated. This is Morozovsk.


    'Ordinary World' by Duran Duran is excellent choice of soundtrack for this kaboom

    Lyrics are very appropriate  thumbsup


    Yeah but if it is morozovsk air base then it is a successful attack by the Ukrainians. Isn't Morozovsk air base in Rostov oblast?

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Aug 05, 2024 9:18 am

    "You declare neutrality but when Kiev attacks things like the Crimean bridge which Ukrainian military officials have admitted have no military value, you have said it is a legitimate target even though it is only civilians that are getting killed when the attacks are made."

    That doesn't matter the bridge is a legitimate target, while it is a shame civilians die as a side effect of an attack on military targets, its also Russia's fault for allowing the use of the bridge during wartime when they are well aware it is a military target and it will be targetted.

    You cannot cry civilians are being killed if the target is legit and you are allowing them to access to it, a foreign army is in no way obligated to not target it because of that during wartime. They are generally preferred to attack at night tho when such the fewest amount of people will be there

    I would say the same time if Russia attacked a military grade target in Ukraine that is similar and had civilians on it knowing full well that is a legit target and the russians are perfectly within their rights to target it even if you are allowing civilians all over it.

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    Post  Kiko Mon Aug 05, 2024 9:37 am

    Russia has an unexpected enemy in World War III, by Sergey Savchuk for RiaNovosti. 08.05.2024.

    One of the most important questions that torments not only our sworn Western friends, but also the average Russian, is what plans the Kremlin has regarding Ukraine. Because the duration of the SVO, the number of new regions, the population's income, the volume of construction to restore the infrastructure destroyed by the war and Ukrainian rule, and much, much more will depend on this. Naturally, no one will reveal their strategic plans to us (and quite rightly so), so we can only draw logical chains based on events that have already happened. One of them, for example, is the news that the assets of the Blackrock corporation have exceeded 10.6 trillion dollars.

    It would seem, what relation does this have to Ukraine and the historical path of our country? Alas, the most direct.

    It is necessary to start with the fact that Blackrock, firstly, is currently the largest investment company in the world by the size of assets under its management. Secondly, it is quite reasonably associated with the so-called deep state, that is, the shadow government of the United States . Its very existence is disputed even within the States themselves, and adherents of this version are ridiculed for being overly impressionable, but this is only a matter of inconsistency of terms. The shadow government is, of course, not movie villains sitting in a dark bunker and making insidious plans, laughing ominously. This is the same big business, huge companies and transnational corporations that have long merged with the authorities and directly push through political decisions that bring profits and allow further growth.

    For example, the board of directors of the aforementioned Blackrock includes people like Wally Adeyemo, who is also the Deputy Secretary of the US Treasury. Or Eric van Nostrand, the senior adviser to the Treasury Department for Russia and Ukraine. This also includes Mike Pyle, the chief economic adviser to Kamala Harris , who, as vice president, suddenly became a key contender for the post of head of state. As you can see, all of these people are directly related to finance, both corporate and state. The very work on two fronts is an unconditional confirmation of the fusion of big capital and power, and the initiative for this merger comes from representatives of the former. They are the same shadow puppeteers - through their embedded agents, influencing the adoption of critical decisions.

    On the Ukrainian issue, Blackrock is represented directly and broadly.

    Back in 2022-2023, Ukrainian, that is, extremely biased and totally censored sources claimed that the American investment monster was actively buying up arable land. Although there is a moratorium on the sale of land to foreign buyers in Ukraine, there are persistent rumors that Blackrock, through various schemes and shell companies, has bought up almost half of the local black soil. Here it is necessary to understand that even if the rumors exaggerate and Blackrock indirectly manages at least a third of Ukrainian arable land, this is still about ten million hectares. This area is equal to all the arable land of Poland or Germany . That is, the Americans figuratively hold a country of comparable size by the stomach and are already manipulating Ukrainian agricultural products as a lever of geopolitical pressure.

    But this is just the tip of the iceberg.

    Global media have been buzzing with how much money the US is allocating to Ukraine for both arms purchases and reconstruction, culture and science. But this formulation is not entirely correct, since the money is not pumped directly from the star-spangled to the yellow-blue budget, but flows through the winding and opaque channels of all sorts of funds, often private ones. These are the assets that Blackrock manages, having received a special license a year ago to carry out certain activities for the restoration and development of Ukraine. Ukrainian officialdom emphasizes that Blackrock entered Ukraine at the personal invitation of Volodymyr Zelensky in order to fight the oligarchy and establish a real Western order, but the degree of real independence of the expired Ukrainian president is extremely questionable. Most likely, he received a request that cannot be refused.

    In Ukraine, Blackrock has really started to restore order, albeit in its own sense. In 2023, a hedge fund was organized to provide assistance to the Armed Forces of Ukraine , and it was to be filled with money taken from local oligarchs. How can one not recall the sudden arrest last September of Igor Kolomoisky , who is still in prison and for whom a mind-boggling bail of two billion hryvnia (4.2 billion rubles) has been set. Initially, the former owner of the Dnipropetrovsk region was arrested for allegedly organizing the murder of a lawyer about twenty years ago, and later two more key charges were added. According to their totality, Kolomoisky is accused of embezzling about 15 billion hryvnia (31 billion rubles). Naturally, with the arrest of the owner, things are not going well for his business empire, the most tasty morsels are being actively torn out of it.

    Blackrock, having established the aforementioned hedge fund, received a legal opportunity to buy up all more or less profitable Ukrainian assets on the cheap (either by referring to martial law or, as in the case of Kolomoisky). Moreover, a separate condition is spelled out that the conclusion of all state contracts for any type of restoration work inside Ukraine must be carried out through the subsidiary fund of Blackrock.
    That is, the "return" money allocated by Kiev from its budget or from Western loans for, say, the restoration of the children's hospital "Okhmatdet" also falls under control. Thus, Blackrock can control the full cycle of financing Ukraine, be it military or civilian. An important point is that the conditions of the fund's work are valid until the end of hostilities, that is, the shadow government of the United States is interested in the war continuing as long as possible.

    And now we come to the main thing.

    If new regions and areas of Ukraine, especially industrially developed ones, are incorporated into Russia, our country will face the threat of war with transnational corporations. Not with the state of the United States of America, but with the supranational financial octopuses whose tentacles control the parsley in Washington and Brussels . Because the main assets of Ukraine bought by Blackrock and similar funds will belong not to the state, but to private individuals. They will be the ones most interested in preserving their acquisitions.

    Someone will say: what difference does it make who the instigator is, ordinary soldiers will be sitting in the trenches on the other side. This is true, but with a caveat. The West has built a society with a clear emphasis on the prevalence of the individual over the general. Absolutely all Western armies are experiencing a chronic shortage of personnel, since citizens spoiled by comfort and attention do not want to exchange all this for hardships and deprivations. And we need to conduct preemptive information work now, endlessly repeating that Russia does not threaten anyone and is not going to invade Europe , and that in the trenches of the new eastern front you will die not defending your own home, but protecting the interests of the bigwigs from New York.

    This is not stupidity or nonsense. Despite total censorship, many people in the West watch our TV channels and read our newspapers in search of an alternative point of view. After all, a hundred years ago, the Bolsheviks and socialists managed to propagandize the armies of both sides, convincing them that it is not worth fighting for the interests of the bourgeoisie and the rich. Who said that this cannot be repeated in the age of the Internet.

    https://ria.ru/20240805/rossiya-1964016460.html

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    Post  Mir Mon Aug 05, 2024 10:22 am

    because the main assets of Ukraine bought by Blackrock and similar funds will belong not to the state, but to private individuals.

    Ukraine has become the 51st state of a country that has been hijacked by the above mentioned private individuals - The Deep State.

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    Post  Arrow Mon Aug 05, 2024 10:28 am

    Ukraine has become the 51st state of a country that has been hijacked by the above mentioned private individuals - The Deep State. wrote:

    Large corporations rule the US. Thanks to its military power, the US can pursue its interests all over the world or even take over entire countries, as in the case of Ukraine and others. The corporations themselves would do little if not for the military power of the US. The United States will do anything to maintain its hegemony.
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    Post  Isos Mon Aug 05, 2024 12:49 pm

    Ukro f-16 armed with amraam and sidewinders. Also, they have israeli pods with inbuilt MAWS.

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    Post  Mir Mon Aug 05, 2024 1:17 pm

    Isos wrote:Ukro f-16 armed with amraam and sidewinders. Also, they have israeli pods with inbuilt MAWS.

    Those missiles and pods were fitted for PR purposes only. The real job for these fighters is to strike and kill as many civilians as possible - and a certain well known bridge as well. Rolling Eyes

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Aug 05, 2024 1:36 pm

    Another Leopard learns what its like to be on the receiving end of a Lancet.  Razz I must say I'm impressed by the quality of the thermal camera on the disposable drone. The Russian MIC must really have cranked up the manufacturing lines to be able to produce such a good camera that is cheap enough for installing to mass-use munitions.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Aug 05, 2024 1:47 pm

    Kiko wrote:Russia has an unexpected enemy in World War III, by Sergey Savchuk for RiaNovosti. 08.05.2024.

    One more excellent reason, as if we need any more, for Russia to ERADICATE this fcking evil Ukrop regime and burn out the last tendril of Western elite financial interests.  Russia cannot have any real security while rapacious Murkan financialists and their Eurotrash whore-slaves have even a toe-hold on influence within Russias traditional sphere.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Aug 05, 2024 2:27 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:Yeah but if it is morozovsk air base then it is a successful attack by the Ukrainians. Isn't Morozovsk air base in Rostov oblast?

    Yes. Suddenly its not as much fun....

    cie la vie

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Aug 05, 2024 2:31 pm

    Losses of the Ministry of Defense as of 08/05/2024:

    1. Minister of Defense General of the Army Sergei Shoigu - removed from office;

    2. First Deputy Minister of Defense Ruslan Tsalikov - removed from office;

    3. Deputy Minister of Defense Timur Ivanov (construction) - arrested;

    4. Deputy Minister of Defense Colonel General Yuri Sadovenko (MoD apparatus) - removed from office;

    5. Deputy Minister of Defense Tatyana Shevtsova (financial support) - removed from office;

    6. Deputy Minister of Defense, Reserve Army General Nikolai Pankov (State Secretary) - removed from office;

    7. Deputy Minister of Defense, Army General Pavel Popov (innovative research) - removed from office;

    8. Former Deputy Minister of Defense Army General Dmitry Bulgakov (logistics) - arrested;

    9. Head of the Main Personnel Directorate, Lieutenant General Yuri Kuznetsov - arrested;

    10. Head of the Main Communications Directorate, Lieutenant General Vadim Shamarin - arrested;

    11. Head of the department for state defense procurement Vladimir Verteletsky - arrested;

    12. Press Secretary of the Ministry of Defense Rossiyana Markovskaya - removed from her position;

    13. Assistant to the Minister of Defense, Lieutenant General Alexander Burachenok - removed from office;

    14. General Director of the Military Construction Company Andrey Belkov - arrested;

    15. Director of the Property Relations Department Mikhail Sapunov - removed from office;

    16. General Director of Voentorg Vladimir Pavlov - arrested;

    17. Director of the Patriot Park Vyacheslav Akhmedov - arrested;

    18. Deputy Head of the Main Directorate for Innovative Development, Major General Vladimir Shesterov, was arrested.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Aug 05, 2024 2:32 pm

    In general it’s good, Americans got a stealth garbage can for 52k usd and no arrests
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    Post  Mir Mon Aug 05, 2024 2:35 pm

    Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Aug 05, 2024 6:39 pm

    Already burning, then in comes the coupe de grace.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Aug 05, 2024 9:17 pm

    Is there any maps showing Russian progress for the last three months until now would be interesting to see.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Aug 06, 2024 5:40 am

    Even more advances in the Pokrovsk direction... thumbsup

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    Post  GarryB Tue Aug 06, 2024 8:16 am


    That doesn't matter the bridge is a legitimate target,

    Ukrainian generals have already stated the Crimean bridge has no military significance, which means it is not a legitimate target.

    I would say the same time if Russia attacked a military grade target in Ukraine that is similar and had civilians on it knowing full well that is a legit target and the russians are perfectly within their rights to target it even if you are allowing civilians all over it.

    The Russians have not dropped all the bridges in the Ukraine leading to the west where the west is pumping weapons and ammo into the country... which makes them more military targets than the Crimean bridge ever was.

    Perhaps Russia should hit real targets like the US embassy in Kiev where thousands of Americans keep Ukraine going as a war machine... there are thousands of employees in the US embassy yet no green cards are being issued... sounds like they are not doing what they claim they are doing there... obvious target I suspect.

    I must say I'm impressed by the quality of the thermal camera on the disposable drone.

    Working with Thales gave them a real technology boost... which was all they needed really... they had the intelligence and capacity, they just needed to read a few extra pages to catch up to where the west is... and the Chinese are...

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    Post  xeno Tue Aug 06, 2024 9:04 am

    They are where Chinese are.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Aug 06, 2024 10:59 am

    1. Ukrainian generals have already stated the Crimean bridge has no military significance, which means it is not a legitimate target.

    Typical lie and redirection tactic only your part, you're taking out of context what they said. also Ukie high command never said that. Also, the bridge is a military target if you think a bridge that can be used to move troops and supplies from point A to Point B isn't, you are delusional out of your mind. Like seriously trying to say that bridge is not a legit target is just one of the saddest mot fanboy cope things I have ever heard you say here


    2. The Russians have not dropped all the bridges in the Ukraine leading to the west where the west is pumping weapons and ammo into the country... which makes them more military targets than the Crimean bridge ever was.

    Perhaps Russia should hit real targets like the US embassy in Kiev where thousands of Americans keep Ukraine going as a war machine... there are thousands of employees in the US embassy yet no green cards are being issued... sounds like they are not doing what they claim they are doing there... obvious target I suspect.

    Yeah, and that should have been done day 1 and should keep doing it, but they didn't I am not disagreeing they should have taken out those bridges but that's the fault of russian command.


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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Tue Aug 06, 2024 11:08 am

    The Ukrainians have left the area east of Toretsk to avoid encirclement.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:54 pm

    Typical lie and redirection tactic only your part, you're taking out of context what they said. also Ukie high command never said that. Also, the bridge is a military target if you think a bridge that can be used to move troops and supplies from point A to Point B isn't, you are delusional out of your mind. Like seriously trying to say that bridge is not a legit target is just one of the saddest mot fanboy cope things I have ever heard you say here

    Even if the Ukraine hit the Crimean bridge with 100 Taurus missiles and every single one hit a critical point and brought down a section and it took ten years to fix it would not effect their positions on the front line or anywhere else at all. But it would probably take about 5,000 Taurus missiles to be fired and they would likely lose hundreds of aircraft and launch platforms in that sort of attack to try to get 100 missiles through and hitting a place where they were effective.

    2. The Russians have not dropped all the bridges in the Ukraine leading to the west where the west is pumping weapons and ammo into the country... which makes them more military targets than the Crimean bridge ever was.

    They have only hit a very few civilian used bridges because they understand the humanitarian situation that dropping them all would cause. The bridges they dropped were being used to supply military forces they were engaging in an effort to limit their ability to resupply their military.

    There are two different wars going on... one is a rescue, and the other is a genocide.

    But you consider them the same.

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    Post  Scorpius Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:22 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:Is there any maps showing Russian progress for the last three months until now would be interesting to see.

    Dude, just find sites that publish daily reviews and find a post from three months ago. Voila - you got what you wanted.

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    Post  Mir Tue Aug 06, 2024 3:35 pm

    Russian forces repel Ukrainian incursion attempt. Saboteurs have attempted to cross the border into Kursk Region.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/602224-ukraine-border-incursion-kursk/

    It's not the first time but why on earth would "saboteurs" want to use a Humvee in an attempt to cross the border!?! Shocked

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    Post  lyle6 Tue Aug 06, 2024 5:42 pm

    they heard some humvees made it to Moscow... Rolling Eyes

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    Post  Mir Tue Aug 06, 2024 6:24 pm

    I actually think they got the wrong message. The objective should have been "incursion" but due to a typo it read "invasion"!
    They probably thought it was the new "counter-offensive" Laughing

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