Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59

Russian MoD reporting 12,980 Ukrainian casualties over the past 7 days.

PhSt wrote:
It is important that Russia Massacre both NATO and Ukrainian personnel ASAP as retribution for this cowardly Terrorist Attack.

Again, this is NATO testing how Russia would react to such provocation. The Response needs to be Destructive

Talk less and do more. That goes for both you and Russia.

ucmvulcan wrote:
 IF the Russian training command learns the lesson, the average Russian rifleman will be better off in the long run.  

Why do you think they would learn anything?

Arrow wrote:

They don't have the strength and resources to reach the Dnieper along its entire length. It's not even known when they'll take over Donbass. It could be years.

They have the resources (weapons of mass destruction) but they choose not to use them.  I agree hat in conventional military strength Russia will never be able to defeat Ukraine. But they have other means.

In a similar situation the West would have already used these means that I am talking about. They don't have the tolerance for casualties that Russia has. But knowing the Russian demographics I have to think can Russia afford these casualties either.

Yes, one could argue it would be morally wrong to use the weapons of mass destruction against Ukrainian cities. But at some point Russia has to decide whether it wants to win or lose this war.

The Drama Queens parade is here again

Pacense wrote:Haven't posted for ages.

Is the filming really that important? Classic diversion of attention.

It is very important yes and has aided greatly in enemy propaganda efforts. The enemy is fishing for spectacles that they can present to their NATO handlers in the hopes of gaining more weapons from their dwindling stockpile, and what if this video proves to be exactly that? Indeed this might have been the whole goal of their operation.

If it was done by accident I could excuse it, civilians are not expected to follow military logic, but by all accounts this cockroach knew exactly what he was doing and had every intention of aiding the enemy. Throw the book at the swine.

Arrow wrote:

NATO/USA will never give up on Ukraine. They will keep sending weapons as long as Ukraine has soldiers.

A bunch of them have cold feet and are looking for excuses not to send what they have left whether in reserve or moreover from their in-service stocks.

So don't give them any justification for doing so. Yes it's increasingly outdated clunky crap like the Leopard 1s or whatever, but it can still prolong the war and still get Russian soldiers killed.

I agree that in conventional military strength Russia will never be able to defeat Ukraine.

Russian MoD reporting 12,980 Ukrainian casualties over the past 7 days.

NATO/USA will never give up on Ukraine. They will keep sending weapons as long as Ukraine has soldiers.

Arrow wrote:

This is the plan of the West. For the war to last as long as possible and for Russia to bear the sacrifices and material costs of the war for as long as possible and not to allocate money to other sectors of development, etc. Even if they lose, they will want to drag it out. The war also costs Russia a lot. Especially since it is one of the largest conflicts since World War II.

Of course

But it costs the West more. Materially, and in terms of their influence around the world. It's all crumbling. Russia needs to keep up the effort. And prevent the West so easily walking away from what it has started.

nomadski wrote:I agree that in conventional military strength Russia will never be able to defeat Ukraine.

Then you are no good, along with your opinions

Perhaps , I should have put those remarks in quotes . I was merely trying to point out the contradiction present in other people's  comments here ? So much I think was obvious . Some of you are so much on a hair trigger ! Like bored troops in barracks , waiting too long to go to the front , you start a fist fight , out of frustration !



Conclusion : Yes Russia is winning conventional battle , because 2000 Orcs dead per day !

I have no doubt that Russian command saw this whole thing coming and will use it to justify political objectives, whether that's breaking off negotiations or expanding Russian control into the Sumy region or whatever else, we will see.

Well, since the summer of 2022 it was the main goal to get the cockroaches out of their hiding places.
In Kursk the Russian goal and the Banderites desire for cheap PR points came together.

The one exception to this is the convoy massacre. 

Has nothing to do with negligence. You can´t move around large ammounts of troops and material fast if you spread your trucks out for kilometers.
One successful strike against a convoy or a rear service area every few months is an acceptable price for any military.

flamming_python wrote:

Arrow wrote:

NATO/USA will never give up on Ukraine. They will keep sending weapons as long as Ukraine has soldiers.

A bunch of them have cold feet and are looking for excuses not to send what they have left whether in reserve or moreover from their in-service stocks.

So don't give them any justification for doing so. Yes it's increasingly outdated clunky crap like the Leopard 1s or whatever, but it can still prolong the war and still get Russian soldiers killed.

But as long as Russia is fighting the way it is , the west will be able to cobble enough together to make the next 3 years look like the last 3 years. I guess if Russia is fine with fighting at this level for another 5 years , then it doesn't have to change its plans. It seems like a hard way of doing it to me.

You can always count on Russia to give the western public , Nafo, the mainstream media and all the retards exactly what they want. Everyone is high on the ukraine war again.

And making the war basically unwatchable for anyone who isn't one of the aforementioned retards. And I'm not implying that this is a sport. But it is a huge part of history happening right now. And I wish I could just follow it for that reason. But I can't

thegopnik wrote:I am assuming there was some secret agreements between the pentagon that calls the shots and not Ukraine with the Kremlin. Ukraine had to act on their own because there is no fucking way Russia would have their guard that lowered after the last failed Belgorad offensive Ukraine has done.

No satellite or drone being able to spot such a large force heading to Kursk is another mystery. Someone is getting fired for the 100th time by Putin. Even a middle schooler would make better strategic decisions from the last belgorad offensive.

The US makes secret agreements with Russia for the sole purpose of breaking them. In this exact way that they just did. And Russia seems to fall for it regularly. And they never do the same thing in return.

If anyone needs to be fired in this situation , it's most likely the head of the natl security council and whoever makes these deals with the US.

China is mad. They were talking with Ukraine about peace recently. They get swindled like this constantly too. Morons

It may have been intentional as per Rybar.

In that get Ukraine to send its best to these areas as an excuse to go hard in Sumy region and to strip Ukraine of the better equipped and trained men.

There is no other excuse for such a blatant disregard of unpreparedness.

Backman wrote:But as long as Russia is fighting the way it is , the west will be able to cobble enough together to make the next 3 years look like the last 3 years. I guess if Russia is fine with fighting at this level for another 5 years , then it doesn't have to change its plans. It seems like a hard way of doing it to me.

It's draining the West more and all its satellites too

They're about out of old Soviet stocks now, and of the biggest idiots who went as mercs to the Ukraine

If they want to go so let's go

flamming_python wrote:It's draining the West more and all its satellites too

They're about out of old Soviet stocks now, and of the biggest idiots who went as mercs to the Ukraine

If they want to go so let's go

Russia has 100k dead by now, if not more. Nobody cares about Ukrainians in the West. They're just useful idiots and will be scapegoats when all this is over. 

On another note, it looks like Russian security forces are still divided in clans. April Alaudinov blames some circles in MoD for Kursk situation. 

https://t.me/AptiAlaudinovAKHMAT/5175

Starting from 3:30.

IMHO this last Ukrainian move is absolutely rational and well though.
And in the same time absolutely DESPERATE as well.
Let's recap: Russians regular troops are actually thrashing their own defensive lines in Donetsk region , most precisely in the region between ADveevka, completely taken and Pokrovsk and even more dis-hearting for them in the Toresk-Niu York sector previously considered extremely strong and instead collapsing in less than a month.
In the meantime, the other factor that has allowed them to resist until now i.e. the mobilization of all their possible manpower is rapidly coming to an end also and unless they would resort to the extreme measures that the same Budanov has proposed it would be not nearly enough to counterbalance the rapid downfall of the aforementioned defence lines.
Budanov,we said?
Well, he is important there (IMHO) as he as the Chief of Armed Forces Intelligence also control the Ukrainian Spetsnats, DRG and Special Assault Units.(Kraken, Skala and so on...) and so it have a say in the development of the complessive strategy and in the use of such forces...
So, I could guess that's he is nso happy about the perspective of seeing his own well prepared and warlike units being used as cannon fodder for just keep on such crumbling lines.
So, he is probably the one behind this alternative operations.
Ukraine has actually just and handful of battle worn regular units retired from the first line and actually being reconstructed with untrained conscripts, some territorial units, its own special dorces and last and not least the units that are atually guarding the borders with Russia and Belarus.
So, instead to allow his specialized troops to be taken and put into the meat grinder, facing directly the Russian contract soldier units on the frontline, better use them together with the units stationed in the borders to open a new front and try to syphon there instead the next russian echelon.
For Budianov and his own power structure, this is highly advantageous move but for Ukraine?
The apparent rationality of such a move depend infact by the capacity of Russia to effectively activate and employ operatively their mobilized reserve i.e. troops actually not employed in Ukraine but just kept to guard the borders themselves.
So, in the end such a move could even possibly end up to allow Russia to even increase its own advantage instead of reduce it.

caveat emptor wrote:

flamming_python wrote:It's draining the West more and all its satellites too

They're about out of old Soviet stocks now, and of the biggest idiots who went as mercs to the Ukraine

If they want to go so let's go

Russia has 100k dead by now, if not more. Nobody cares about Ukrainians in the West. They're just useful idiots and will be scapegoats when all this is over. 

On another note, it looks like Russian security forces are still divided in clans. April Alaudinov blames some circles in MoD for Kursk situation. 

https://t.me/AptiAlaudinovAKHMAT/5175

Starting from 3:30.

Not saying you're wrong but do you have sources for the hundred k dead figure? I don't mean the Pentagram or the Ukronazis, I mean something credible. BBC or Guardian had it at 50K some odd dead a couple months ago, and as bad as the convoy was, I don't think that killed quite that many. Not attacking you, I am just genuinely curious where you are getting your data set fromm