Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59

https://m.vk.com/video-123538639_456310638

HIMARS death ?

It is unreal how many clueless posters we have here. With all their grand claims about how ukraine sees itself as fighting for independence. No sovereign with any self interest at all would be doing any of this. Ukraine has zero agency. At the end of it all , Russia is still going to be there. Its still going to be its next door neighbour. So none of it is really coherent. Putin has made multiple generous offers. Anyone with some agency would have taken one of them rather than run its human capital through a tree grinder only to have a worse deal to show for it as time goes on.


The US has an entire population that it can do what it wants with. Of course in that case , Kursk is a good idea. They also want to maximize the pain for both sides to prevent any wounds from healing. The worse it is , the longer it will take to heal.

PapaDragon wrote:

Backman wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
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What's the purpose of saving Ukrainian lives?

Because Ukranians are probably more pliant than ppl think. They are just retards following orders. And they just need different orders. It is a lot of work to slaughter them. It is only the scum in the west that is a problem.

But again , the main point is , it seems to be a lot of work to slaughter them. They should be given a chance at a different leadership. Every person involved in the current regime should be killed one after the other.

And what happens when those same retards are given different set of orders after that?

Exactly what played out already after 1945 when they were given different orders by dumbass commies, USA came and gave them fresh ones and here we are

Don't repeat stupid obvious mistakes from the past and just solve the problem once and for all

Not slaughtering them has proven to be lot more work than slaughtering them

They used up their chances in 1941 anyway

The mistake the Soviets made was taking and trying to integrate western ukraine. They should have either traded it for something or make an open air prison out of it like Gaza is.

Reminder about posting conversations... reminders will continue for so long and then ban sticks come out and people take time off from the forum. GarrryB

So it seems that Kiev bite off more than it can chew as it seems it's just now hunting season on Ukrainian forces in Kursk. They haven't seemed to do much than create a nuisance to Russia and the Ukies seem to be losing people left right and center.

They have dug in some areas but it's really basic, and various special forces units and mercenaries groups of Russian side are just having a field day it seems.

Hitting Russian economic targets may not be a good idea as this kind of target seems to have been ignored by Russia to date.

The losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) in the Kursk direction during the fighting amounted to up to 2,640 military personnel. The Russian Ministry of Defense reported this on August 15.

It also became known that 37 tanks, 32 armored personnel carriers, 23 infantry fighting vehicles and 206 armored combat vehicles were destroyed. In addition, the Russian military eliminated 96 vehicles, four anti-aircraft missile systems, three multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) launchers, 20 artillery pieces and three electronic warfare (EW) stations.

According to the department, the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost up to 340 military personnel and 19 armored vehicles per day. The Russian Armed Forces (RFAF) destroyed five Bradley infantry fighting vehicles and 14 armored combat vehicles, as well as eight vehicles, five field artillery pieces, a multiple launch rocket system installation and two Enklav-N and Bukovel-AD electronic warfare stations. .

The Ministry of Defense also reported that the operation to destroy Ukrainian formations continues.

https://iz-ru.translate.goog/1743225/2024-08-15/vsu-poteriali-do-2640-voennykh-za-vremia-boevykh-deistvii-na-kurskom-napravlenii?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Based. This Rus American dual citizen was arrested and jailed for 12 years for sending $51 to an arm ukraine charity

JohninMK wrote:

"Ukrainian aviation" in the Kursk area - sort of joke or something?

Good job that Kiev has the money and is a good credit risk. Oh wait  

Good job that Kiev has a good relationship with Hungary, who supply about 40%, on oil supply. Oh wait

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Ukraine's electricity imports continue to break records: in July, they increased almost 20 times compared to the previous year and exceeded the $100 million mark for the first time.

PhSt wrote:
These rats should not be taken as prisoners and should be KILLED right on the spot

Masquerading yourself as your enemy, wearing his uniform, identification markings - is already a gross violation of the rules of war and grounds for execution upon capture in any military. Which I'm sure the Russian military will carry out if these cretins find themselves surrendering.

So I wouldn't worry about this one

PhSt wrote:In a WAR OF EXTERMINATION, all involved parties are expected to resort to extreme measures to gain the upper hand in war. NATO and its Ukrainian proxies have demonstrated many times that they are willing to break all rules of warfare in order to inflict maximum destruction on Russia

It is the Anglo Saxon playbook. Do the exact opposite of what is honorable and the opposite of what you profess.

Today they said that the CIA tried to stop the Nord Stream 2 bombing. You cant make it up.

The US is considering transferring JASSM and JASSM ER missiles to Ukraine.

I know what they are jp to and I do not like it. They think they can slither their way into greater and greater conflict till they send us in in open ww3 conflict if need be. If you guys are still delusional to think this will not happen you do not realize how spooked and panicked our elites are. Their cliques cannot lose power. If so these multigenerational plans could very well falter. If they lose power then actual investigations could begin and things very dark could be found. Yes ww3 would be more tolerable for some 5han losing power.

And they think they can successfully boil the frog. Sneaky bastards.

Backman wrote:Based. This Rus American dual citizen was arrested and jailed for 12 years for sending $51 to an arm ukraine charity

https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/1824029158541799496?t=vNaRcwzwNSqFGVrJy-T6Gw&s=19

Based. Every single westerner who donated to Ukraine must have their donation reimbursed. In kind.

One problem is also that the West has been able to aid and help Ukraine to kill Russians with only an economic cost.

To be fair it is economics that drives the west... it is the super rich that control the politicians, and it is resources and economics that drives many of their actions, so denying them access to resources and cutting the use of their currency as international trade currencies and of course their own sanctions which is damaging their own ecnomies that relied on cheap energy and resources from Russia is hurting them economically, but the conflict is also damaging the reputation of their military, it has exposed most of their super weapons as one trick ponies that Russia quickly learns to adapt and use tactics to nullify their effectiveness, while it has also burned through their reserve stocks of weapons and ammo, which means replacing all of that over the next decade is going to be enormously expensive because the replacement stuff is going to cost top dollar... no discounts... and research and development for next generation stuff is going to have to go on hold and be delayed because they don't have the money to throw on defence like they used to have. All their money is going to production of expensive ammo that did not achieve the amazing results they were expecting. They thought their gun artillery would be a sniper to pick off Russian forces while their rocket artillery went from grid square remover to precision strike too... with all the cost increases that entails. They are a military force of snipers that cost millions to train and have very limited and very specific uses on a battlefield.

Great for COIN, but not so great for WWIII or peer enemy combat... and now that Pandoras box is open many of their battlefield enemies are going to be able to access the latest Russian and Chinese and Iranian weapon systems to use against them.

Russia should start targeting Western military bases (via proxies) around the world. It should have done so already in 2022.

There are 800 odd US bases around the world... probably less because of recent events in Africa and the Middle East, but that offers plenty of scope to find opponents that want them gone... who will benefit from advice and equipment and training.

For the US to withdraw from all these bases would actually probably save them a lot of money initially, but the main reason they are where they are is to control access to resources or locations... US bases in Turkey are because of its proximity to Russia and to the Middle East... just as an example.

This 5D chess and "Sun Tsu" crap will lead Russia nowhere.

Rules are important, and there is no point defeating the west if you start breaking the rules like they do... you essentially become no better than they are... why would the rest of the world work together to help each other to grow and develop when Russia and likely then China starts acting like they are the US. BRICS is appealing because it is not the US and not the west with a different hat.

BRICS is something different from the every man for themselves consumerism individuality of the west.

There are three peoples that should be eradicated from the earth along with their descendants. The Germans, the Israelis and the Ukrainians.

Sadly lots of cultures have already been destroyed and are lost forever, but for every bad German or Israeli or Ukrainian there are plenty of good ones that don't deserve to be eliminated from the gene pool. Ironically it was the Germans and Israelis and Ukrainians that wanted to eradicate their perceived enemies (Soviets, Palestinians, and Russians) that were the ones that are worth eradicating, but they are by no means the entire populations of those groups.

The vast majority of people are happy when the economy is happy and they can pay their bills and put money aside in savings while still enjoying life and going on holidays and enjoying hobbies outside of their work life.

It is unreal how many clueless posters we have here. With all their grand claims about how ukraine sees itself as fighting for independence. No sovereign with any self interest at all would be doing any of this.

Ukraine has had independence since 1991 and its own actions abusing its pro Russian minority has led it to where it is today. No democracy bans a language, no democracy bans religion... and no democracy cuts itself off from its main commercial markets to please countries on the other side of the planet.

And if you are following these definitions that explains why the EU and UK are not democracies either...

The mistake the Soviets made was taking and trying to integrate western ukraine. They should have either traded it for something or make an open air prison out of it like Gaza is.

Well, while the Warsaw Pact was something they certainly could have looked at the populations and decided what would remain Poland and what would be Ukraine, but pandering to these nutters and you end up with them demanding boundaries that haven't existed for centuries where Poland is enormous and just a little bit too powerful again.

Hitting Russian economic targets may not be a good idea as this kind of target seems to have been ignored by Russia to date.

Wasting military ordinance on economic targets that do not factor into this conflict means they are desperate... and their weapons can't reach military targets that they most likely desperately do want to hit...

Based. This Rus American dual citizen was arrested and jailed for 12 years for sending $51 to an arm ukraine charity

If she supports the enemy Russia doesn't really need her running around free inside their country... give her a good sentence and the west can trade Russians they have in custody to get her back and they will be rid of her.

If she was a dual Afghan American citizen and she sent money to the Taliban and America arrested her and put her in jail the western press would have no problem with that. Maria Butina was arrested essentially for being Russian and put in solitary confinement for years... not to mention Assange...

The US is considering transferring JASSM and JASSM ER missiles to Ukraine.

They can do what they like... but they have to understand so can Russia.

If the US is going to behave this way, giving such weapons to nazis means perhaps North Korea and Iran need some high quality reliable compact nuclear weapons...

The only way to stop an escalation war is to go over the top way beyond anything the other guy would even consider as OK or acceptable... otherwise it just continues till you get there anyway.

Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation (for the period from August 10 to August 16, 2024)

From August 10 to 16 this year, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation carried out 17 group strikes with precision weapons and unmanned aerial vehicles on enterprises of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine, airfield infrastructure and places of assembly and storage of attack UAVs. In addition, fuel bases, areas of concentration of reserves of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, temporary locations of nationalist formations and foreign mercenaries were affected.

The units of the North group of forces reflect the attempts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to invade the territory of the Russian Federation in the Kursk direction. The strikes of army aviation, unmanned aerial vehicles and artillery fire defeated the identified concentrations of manpower and equipment of two mechanized units, the assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard brigade. Attempts to approach enemy reserves have been stopped. In the Volchansk and Liptsovsky directions, the manpower and equipment of two mechanized, two assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a brigade of marines, two brigades of the defense forces were hit. Four counterattacks of the AFU assault groups were repelled. In general, during the week, enemy losses in the area of responsibility of the North group of forces amounted to 2,765 military personnel, 33 tanks, 221 armored combat vehicles, including 13 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles manufactured by the United States and eight Stryker armored personnel carriers manufactured by the United States, as well as 117 vehicles. During the counter-battery struggle, seven multiple rocket launchers and 34 field artillery guns were hit. Three self-propelled anti-aircraft missile systems Patriot made in the USA and Buk-M1, as well as four electronic warfare stations, were destroyed.

During the week, units of the Zapad group of forces occupied more advantageous lines and positions, defeated formations of five mechanized, airmobile, assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and two air defense brigades. We repelled 12 counterattacks by AFU units. The enemy lost up to 3,450 troops, six tanks, 18 armored combat vehicles, including nine M113 armored personnel carriers manufactured by the United States and 34 vehicles. In addition, during the counter-battery struggle, 36 field artillery guns were hit, of which fifteen 155-mm self-propelled artillery units and howitzers manufactured by the United States, Germany and Poland. Four electronic warfare and counter-battery warfare stations were destroyed, as well as 23 field ammunition depots.

The units of the "Southern" group of troops improved the situation along the front line, defeated the manpower and equipment of four mechanized, motorized infantry, three assault, two airmobile brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the air defense brigade. Four counterattacks by enemy assault groups were repelled. The Ukrainian Armed Forces lost up to 3,825 servicemen, nine armored combat vehicles, 29 vehicles, and 50 field artillery pieces. Three field ammunition depots were destroyed.

As a result of the active actions of the units of the Center group of forces, the settlements of Lisichnoye, Ivanovka and Sergeyevka of the Donetsk People's Republic were liberated. The formations of four mechanized, infantry, two assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the defense brigade were defeated. 20 counterattacks of enemy units were repelled. During the week, enemy losses in this area amounted to 3,195 military personnel, four tanks, two of them M1A1 "Abrams" manufactured by the United States, 15 armored combat vehicles, 23 vehicles and 29 field artillery guns.

The units of the Vostok group of forces occupied more advantageous positions, defeated the manpower and equipment of two mechanized, motorized infantry brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and two air defense brigades. We repelled eight counterattacks by the AFU assault groups. The enemy lost up to 770 soldiers, 34 vehicles, and 19 field artillery pieces. Eight field ammunition depots were destroyed.

The units of the Dnepr group of forces defeated the formations of the mechanized, infantry, mountain assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the marine brigade and the defense brigade. The losses of the Armed Forces amounted to 555 servicemen, two infantry fighting vehicles, 48 vehicles, 14 field artillery guns, of which six 155-mm M777 howitzers manufactured by the United States. Three electronic warfare stations and eight field ammunition depots were destroyed.

The Su-27 fighter of the Ukrainian Air Force, as well as three combat vehicles of the HIMARS multiple launch rocket system manufactured by the United States, were destroyed by operational and tactical aviation, unmanned aerial vehicles, missile forces and artillery groups of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation at the base airfield.

Air defense means repelled a group strike by twelve US-made ATACMS tactical missiles on the Crimean Bridge tonight. All missiles have been destroyed. In addition, during the week, the Mi-8 helicopter of the Ukrainian air force, eight Tochka-U tactical missiles, 11 guided Hammer bombs made in France and JDAM made in the USA, four Patriot anti-aircraft guided missiles made in the USA and Buk-M1, 70 HIMARS rockets made in the USA were shot down and the "Vampire" of Czech production, as well as 543 unmanned aerial vehicles.

The forces of the Black Sea Fleet and the Russian Aerospace Forces destroyed three unmanned boats of the Ukrainian Navy and damaged one.

During the week, 57 Ukrainian servicemen surrendered on the line of contact.

In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 638 aircraft, 279 helicopters, 30050 unmanned aerial vehicles, 569 anti-aircraft missile systems, 17307 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1406 multiple rocket launchers, 13295 field artillery and mortars, 24,833 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.

https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12525582@egNews

Russian MoD reporting 14,560 Ukrainian casualties for the previous 7 days.

Backman wrote:Based. This Rus American dual citizen was arrested and jailed for 12 years for sending $51 to an arm ukraine charity

She totally deserved it at least for being so dumb.

The mistake the Soviets made was taking and trying to integrate western ukraine. They should have either traded it for something or make an open air prison out of it like Gaza is.

That was not the mistake.

North western Ukraine was Russian land before the polish annexation in 13th/14th century.
Krasnaya Rus / Rus Chervona / Red Ruthenia.


The mistake was not finish the work and allow Nazi collaborators and Bandera fans to reproduce.

Those of them not directly responsible of crimes requiring immediate capital punishment should have continued their lives in some penal colonies in Siberia. Not left free to remain there or to go to North America (especially Canada).

Furthermore the Soviets, already since the beginning, pursued ana anti-russian policy and forced ukrainisation of the other regions.

Lvov can become a decent city again, bilingual and without Nazism. It just requires a bit of time (10 to 15 years after the war).

No Bandera fan will be left free after the war, anyway.

And the new generation can be steered into a better direction.

For those already grown up hating Russia they can either learn to respect the others or pack their bags and go to Warsaw or to Canada (if they did not commit any war crimes or crimes against the civilian population in the past).

The name ukraine has to stop being used.
The various oblasts (regions) shall be integrated in the Russian federation.
The language itself, after being purged of excessive Galician and nazi naming, should be called back malorussian and considered a recognised regional language in the regions in historical Malorussia and historical krasnaya Rus (but of course Russian should be the first state language everywhere).