Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59

Gotta exterminate this Nazi filth...

Kiko wrote:Ukraine has defaulted – Fitch, 08.14.2024.

Anyone who lends money to the murderous klepocrats in Kiev deserves to lose it all. Its like asking a coke head to mind your stash for a few weeks while you're out of town. You ain't getting shit back.

kvs wrote:Desperation.

As for attacking Khuyiv, the point of the Donbass front is to grind down the Ukr army so diverting it to hide behind civilians does not make any sense.

Khuyiv will fall once the Banderite regime has no army and no irregulars to lean on.

Any Ukop who wants to fight Russia should be given the opportunity. After the Kiev regime is shattered and its last remnants ripped out, there won't be an "insurgency" as those who wanted to fight will already be dead or fcked up for life. Complete eradication of the banderite nationalist mind-virus must be Russias goal. Whether or not they reabsorb chunks of Ukraine back into the Ruski Mir is one question, but the complete destruction of Ukrop nazism is non-negotiable.

Advances around Pokrovsk.  

PapaDragon wrote:

Backman wrote:....
The whole point in the early part of the war was to spare the wholesale slaughter of everyday Ukranians. Now the way it is going , it's almost like the opposite. It looks like Putin is opting for wholesale slaughter to reduce escalation and instability....

Plan in the early part of the war was extremely retarded and self-harming

Backman wrote:....He could regime change Kiev and save lives. Why not try regime change at this point? Just slaughter the entire standing government and see who replaces it

What's the purpose of saving Ukrainian lives?

Because Ukranians are probably more pliant than ppl think. They are just retards following orders. And they just need different orders. It is a lot of work to slaughter them. It is only the scum in the west that is a problem.

But again , the main point is , it seems to be a lot of work to slaughter them. They should be given a chance at a different leadership. Every person involved in the current regime should be killed one after the other.

billybatts91 wrote:Gotta exterminate this Nazi filth...

You see this is what those Ukrainians who talk about the separs spoiling the Minsk peace process and about how they're fighting this war for independence against the russkies, leave out of the conversation.

About their outrage and hatred of Russia well before the current war, about how it dared to help its own people on their own land and prevent the Ukraine bulldozing them in 2015, and about their own cosplaying of the Nazis in the interim, which is ultimately a reflection of the way they view the conflict and the wider world.
And inevitably it translated into support for their regime's course in arming up, ignoring all efforts to move forward the peace process and then the war restarting.

A Chally 2 detonated in the Kursk region

Backman wrote:Because Ukranians are probably more pliant than ppl think. They are just retards following orders. And they just need different orders. It is a lot of work to slaughter them. It is only the scum in the west that is a problem.

But again , the main point is , it seems to be a lot of work to slaughter them. They should be given a chance at a different leadership. Every person involved in the current regime should be killed one after the other.

If they want to follow different orders so they can surrender. They'll be given all the orders they need about how to drop their weapons and then how to spend their time in detention.
There is no alternative for now or any way to change the leadership. Whatever you change it to will still be controlled by NATO and will probably be even more radical. You'll have to at least surround Kiev before you try and play kingmaker.

famschopman wrote:Makes you wonder if you are actually safer in a small agile Lada (Riva) than sitting on those slow, big, heavy vehicles that all have major weak spots; 4 rubber tires that when blown off basically neutralize it. A Lada might not even trigger the anti-tank mine  

You need to floor it at at least 120kph to safely drive over a landmine (it will blow up behind you)

Lesson from Toyota War

Backman wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
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What's the purpose of saving Ukrainian lives?

Because Ukranians are probably more pliant than ppl think. They are just retards following orders. And they just need different orders. It is a lot of work to slaughter them. It is only the scum in the west that is a problem.

But again , the main point is , it seems to be a lot of work to slaughter them. They should be given a chance at a different leadership. Every person involved in the current regime should be killed one after the other.

And what happens when those same retards are given different set of orders after that?

Exactly what played out already after 1945 when they were given different orders by dumbass commies, USA came and gave them fresh ones and here we are

Don't repeat stupid obvious mistakes from the past and just solve the problem once and for all

Not slaughtering them has proven to be lot more work than slaughtering them

They used up their chances in 1941 anyway

Correct

It's war

Ukraine could torch entire downtown Moscow and it would be by the book

And they have every right to go for it, it's Russia's job to make sure that doesn't happen

If Ukrainians do manage to do it it's Russia's fault for failing to stop it

So any of PDs students reading this, you can break any rule you like... anything at all because it is not your fault... it is the fault of the teacher for not stopping you.

Now I understand why you want to nuke Ukraine PD, that would be the only solution with your understanding of things but how does the school you work for feel about you murdering all your students on day one to prevent them from doing anything wrong?

Kiev wants you to blame Putin and Russia for everything because they are the victim and pro west and the west is always good and is never wrong even when it is.

Everything is Putin/Russias fault is why I ignore some members here on important issues, it is a childish response that ignores the basic fact that shit happens... you can't prepare for everything, it is simply impossible... always having to blame someone... your child dies of cancer... is it your fault... the doctors fault... did god do it?

Grow up you pussies.

The main result of the Ukrainian attack on Russia turned out to be exactly the opposite of what was intended. They tried to "improve their negotiating position." In fact, they got to the point where there will be no negotiations.

You would think PD would be over the moon at that... this is exactly what he wanted, but it is still Russian incompetence... fire Putin...

Now Ukraine has three scenarios: - to press more and possibly over stretch, to reduce contact points and focus to the most defendable zones and keep them or to fully withdraw on its own and plan something new... in neither scenario Russia has much to say.

You assume they have three options... the Russians have already decided their option... to die.

Russia has main two options - to press with all power and restore order in Kursk but for that will have to re-deploy forces and its own offensive activities in East Ukraine will be impacted or to do not much and keep pressing in East of Ukraine but risking losing more its own territories.

Again, wrong... they continue to advance on all their fronts and have moved reserves to the Kursk region and are whittling down the remaining Nazi forces.

Bigger picture is bleak for Russia, more long range drones will come, gap in electric warfare is melting and Ukraine is faster evolving new tactics, for example they have now anti drone system based on sound detection, or new interception drones... their overall capabilities are going still steadily up from day 1. Ukraine will be Vietnam for Russian forces.

US credit rating companies have declared Ukraine in default, that drops their credit rating and makes giving them loans (which is what Trump and Biden were going to do to keep the money flowing to Kiev) now become toxic and pointless... and most investors are going to try to recover any funds they possibly can any way they can as soon as they can or they will lose it all.

My response to that article is nut up or shut up

Words mean nothing, actions and results mean everything

So you didn't read it and did not hear what Putin said.

They have stated that negotiations are not possible, but even if they were they couldn't be with Zelensky... it will most likely be with Trump, and will likely be more about HATO and the US in Europe in the future.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) involved more than 11 thousand soldiers in the attack on the territory of the Kursk region.

Yeah, so those claiming Russia should have border defences that can stop a force of 11K along their entire border are idiots... the thing about border defence is that it is never enough... if you have people in place to stop 100 then the enemy will send 101, or they will just attack further down the fenceline where you can only stop 50.

And I am afraid there will be zero response also for Ukrainian dirty bomb in Moscow.

Putin will shrug his shoulders and do nothing.

Karl, are you honestly that stupid. Putin said no to negotiations... that means he will accept surrender, without terms... but otherwise the conflict continues for as long as needed.

Many anti Putin members claimed he would give too much in peace talks... well now he can't.

Russia is not on a war footing while Ukraine is.

Which means Russia has rather more options when it comes to escalation than Kiev does.

Putin thought Russia could win this war (or "special military operation") without sacrificing the country's entire economy and workforce for war.

And so far he is right.

Yet still you and others criticise him.

Are you after a ban, double posting walls of text like this?

Very good point John.... a reminder to all members not to repost very long posts to reply to them... this is a warning to all.

If they still had tons of reserves then a continuation of attritional warfare would be warranted but I'm betting that they don't else they wouldn't have tried this stunt in the first place. And Putin and Russian command would be missing a major opportunity by not reversing the Ukrainian attack and conducting a counter-offensive.

If they had reserves they would be feeding them into the front line to stabilise and try to hold it and try counter attacks in places that are not so well held just to create at the very least a stalemate... but they can't even do that.

What is holding back Russia to advance towards Odessa and reduce contraband delivered through the port and additionally remove any risk of attacks by sea drones?

Why attack Odessa when the Orc army come to the front line to fight in territory that is now Russian so the Russian army is fighting to reclaim.

When the Orc army collapses the Russian Army will move forward to ensure stability and law and order while referendums are set up.

Best thing that happened for Russia this year frankly.

They might have had an effect on the front lines, but against border guards and civilians... and now hunted down in tiny groups...

Capturing the capital does not always result in the capitulation of the country.

Normally you are right, but in this case it is where the US embassy is located... take that out and that will weaken them immensely... certainly their capacity to run the war.

In order to capture Kiev, Russia needs another 500k troops and equipment, which it does not have.

Surrounding it again would be a good start... and smashing the US embassy when it is operating during the day...

In Odessa, they could still defend themselves and NATO could continue to send equipment through Romania, etc.

Odessa is just one route for supplies... in itself would not fix the problems.

We know how Russia steadfastly honours its contracts so maybe a case for Force majeure and shut the pipeline.

Except shutting the pipeline cuts Ukrainian transit fees and it cuts the EU from energy supplies. Gazprom wont collapse if they stop sales completely to the EU. There might be a few losses but it is easy to show that the EU and US are funding the forces that damaged the pipeline and so they are responsible for the interruption or cessation of gas supplies.

If I was Russia I would say it was damaged and shut down gas supplies anyway... how can they prove otherwise?

Any Ukop who wants to fight Russia should be given the opportunity. After the Kiev regime is shattered and its last remnants ripped out, there won't be an "insurgency" as those who wanted to fight will already be dead or fcked up for life. Complete eradication of the banderite nationalist mind-virus must be Russias goal. Whether or not they reabsorb chunks of Ukraine back into the Ruski Mir is one question, but the complete destruction of Ukrop nazism is non-negotiable.

The point is that the worst case scenario for Russia would have been a fake surrender and then these 12 thousand elite soldiers scatter across all of the Ukraine and wait for a week or two and then come out and start attacking supply lines and rear Russian units as they try to keep the peace for referendums...

Instead they have sent them to their deaths... fantastic.

No trials needed.

Every person involved in the current regime should be killed one after the other.

The people behind them hardly ever reveal themselves and remain no matter how many of their puppets you set fire to.

You need to floor it at at least 120kph to safely drive over a landmine (it will blow up behind you)

It would massively depend on the mine and which wheel hits it... but driving around at 120kph and you will drive into an ambush or crash into a ditch quickly enough.

Waiting for Retribution: Russia and Iran in No Hurry to Respond to Provocations, by Pëtr Akopov for RiaNovosti. 08.15.2024.

The entire world, but especially the West, is waiting for retribution: first Iranian retribution against Israel, and now Russian retribution against Ukraine. The first has already been announced at the highest Iranian level, after the Palestinian Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh was killed by a missile strike in Tehran two weeks ago. And the Ukrainian invasion of the Kursk region last week has caused widespread speculation about what Moscow's response will be, although Vladimir Putin has not threatened any separate, special retribution against the Kyiv regime for this attack. However, everyone is guessing - for example, Newsweek writes: "Russia will feel the need to give a very tough response, something grandiose, to show the world its power and that actions like Kursk will not go unpunished."

Moreover, these words are presented as a statement by an unnamed "high-ranking source in the Ukrainian Defence Ministry ." And then the experts begin guessing - hundreds of missiles on Ukrainian infrastructure are considered more likely than an offensive in the Sumy region . And then it is emphasized that Moscow is faced with a "very difficult choice" - how to respond so that the signal is well understood by the West, which supplies weapons to Kiev . This article does not say, but it implies that without such a response, Moscow will lose face, and in other publications this idea is carried out straightforwardly.

Now this is something familiar... Of course, they say the same thing about the upcoming Iranian retaliation: it has been a long time coming, and will it happen at all, and if it is weak, then it will be a loss of face for Ayatollah Khamenei and the Iranian leadership as a whole. Such propaganda - and this is exactly it - is not accidental and only confirms what is already clear: in both cases we are dealing with large-scale provocations. The demonstrative murder of Haniyeh in Tehran after the inauguration of the new Iranian president was intended not only to remove one of the Palestinian leaders, but also to provoke Iran to strike Israel, and a very strong strike.

And the invasion of the Kursk region aims not only to extend the front line and slow down the advance of Russian troops in Donbass , but also to provoke Russia to take extraordinary steps in response. What steps? Indiscriminate strikes on Kiev, for example, with a mass of civilian casualties. Or the demonstrative use of tactical nuclear weapons.

But why and who is provoking? Israel is provoking Iran to draw the US into the war – Israeli leaders have long dreamed of a large-scale American strike on Iran. But Ukraine is also provoking Russia in order to strengthen American support – at least, not to let it weaken during the US elections. So, two American puppets are playing with the master? The tail is wagging the dog? Not quite so.

Israel cannot be called an American puppet. This is almost a unique case in modern history of the symbiosis of two states due to the symbiosis of elites: the American elite, as part of the global supranational financial elite, simply cannot refuse maximum support for Israel in almost any of its actions, including the genocide of Palestinians. Except, of course, the attempt to unleash a large-scale regional war that risks escalating into a global war between the West and the Islamic world, and this is precisely what Netanyahu, who is provoking Iran, is playing with.

Ukraine is much more dependent on the US, but it is also a puppet not of purely American elites, but of that part of the Anglo-Saxon, globalist establishment that has bet on suppressing and isolating Russia. And here the stakes are very high - including because Russia remains a nuclear superpower. Provoking Russia is playing with fire, so the West as a whole is still trying to control its Ukrainian satellite.

In the case of Iran, which does not have nuclear weapons, the threshold for provocation is higher – and the assassination of Haniyeh confirms this. Iran is being told in plain language that an excessively strong response to Israel could be fraught with catastrophe for it, that is, a nuclear strike by Israel or a direct clash with the American military machine (which is already built to protect Israel from Iranian missiles). Iranian leaders understand this perfectly well and will not risk putting their country at risk – although it is equally clear that an Israeli nuclear strike or a direct US attack on Iran would have very serious consequences not only for Iran, but also for the aggressors themselves. No one – with the exception of a small, albeit influential part of the Anglo-Saxon elites – wants to cross the line. However, the problem with both situations – not only the Middle East, but also the Ukrainian one – is that the impunity of the provocateurs could sooner or later lead to events getting out of the control of their senior comrades (who are also accumulating serious internal problems).

And then the path to disaster will open? Yes – but, thank God, everything depends not only on the Anglo-Saxon globalist elites. They are opposed by responsible leaders who understand what and with whom they are playing – and therefore neither Putin nor Ayatollah Khamenei can be provoked into rash actions. This does not mean that Russia and Iran will refuse to retaliate, but in both cases it will not be a demonstrative revenge for a specific provocation, but an intensification of the struggle to achieve the set goals. In our case, everything is crystal clear: Russia will tear Ukraine from the hands of the West – and restore the unity of its lands.

https://ria.ru/20240815/provokatsii-1966240663.html

Karl Haushofer wrote:
And why did the Russian military left this 74 year old man to be harassed by invaders?

When was the last time that a nuclear armed country got invaded?

Depends on what you mean by "invasion."   Really Karla Huerfureinpfennig, you make this one too easy.

https://nypost.com/2024/01/30/news/texas-gov-greg-abbott-is-right-america-is-being-invaded/

and why did the American military allow this 81 year olf woman get murdered by "invaders?"

https://apnews.com/general-news-876d4dd4ce9e44eea0fb0588d7ec684f

GarryB wrote:Plus one for the response Spock, but minus one for ignoring my request about not cutting down posts so you are not repeating big long post trees with every post.

I can be patient but eventually that quote button option is going to disappear again and some people do appreciate it a lot.

I don't want to take it away but it really did prevent people doing this so it was a 100% effective solution.

But of course some people find it useful so I am not going to remove it this time or start handing out temporary bans just now.

GarryB

My apologies, post edited to attempt to be in compliance.

Kiko wrote:And then the path to disaster will open? Yes – but, thank God, everything depends not only on the Anglo-Saxon globalist elites. They are opposed by responsible leaders who understand what and with whom they are playing – and therefore neither Putin nor Ayatollah Khamenei can be provoked into rash actions. This does not mean that Russia and Iran will refuse to retaliate, but in both cases it will not be a demonstrative revenge for a specific provocation, but an intensification of the struggle to achieve the set goals. In our case, everything is crystal clear: Russia will tear Ukraine from the hands of the West – and restore the unity of its lands.

That's a pretty stupid interpretation

In other words when you're in a boxing match your opponent grabs you by the balls and headbutts you, you're going to keep fighting by the rules?
You'll lose.

Russia can't afford to become too predictable. But equally some 'messages' or demonstrations of force have no value. They impress nobody on the other side.

The response should be to destroy those Ukrainian forces on Russian territory and then drive onto their capital, and this time don't leave but start making preparations to storm it. That would have implications not only politically but directly on the Ukraine's military situation.

As for what the Ukraine has been trying to do with the Kursk invasion. They still seem to be trying to introduce troops and expanding the front into Belgorod too. I've come to the conclusion that there aren't really any definite military goals here. Rather it's just a continuation of the same strategy to 'embarrass' Putin and undermine the Russian population's confidence in their own leadership, sparking revolt or whatever. The same psyops bullshit the Ukrainians and West have always tried with 0 success. Can't blame them though, as this is the only way they can win, divorced from reality as it is.

Karl Haushofer wrote:And why did the Russian military left this 74 year old man to be harassed by invaders?

When was the last time that a nuclear armed country got invaded?

It's nothing new, Russians have been harassed and murdered by such types for the last 10 years in the Donbass

So now they found someone in the border area of Kursk region. Regrettable. For them.

The best possible response Spock, thank you for being a good member of this community.

So many take such things personally and it does not need to be so, I don't want to ban people and everyone makes mistakes.

Thank you for a good response to my advice.

To those who don't understand send a PM to me for assistance or advice in trimming posts before posting, so you don't end up repeating conversations and filling up pages with repeated information... I believe I put a tutorial in the news and rules threads.

I also understand that it is much easier to trim with a computer rather than via a phone post.

In other words when you're in a boxing match your opponent grabs you by the balls and headbutts you, you're going to keep fighting by the rules?
You'll lose.

You could argue that if they do that and the ref does nothing then of course you would stop following the rules and draw a 44 magnum and blow his fucking brains out, but this is not a boxing match because there is no referee... or if there is that referee is the western audience who sees and knows what the opposite boxer allows them to see. This is a street fight, and the other guy is launching punches and kicks from behind a 90 year old woman, using her as a shield... do you find a 90 year old woman he does not want to hurt and put her in front of you to hide behind and copy what he is doing?

There is a crowd gathering and they see what he is doing, and most of them already don't like him for what he has done to them, but his bullshit is strong and some in the crowd believe his bullshit that you are the monster but as you take care to smack him when he exposes himself and extra special care not to hurt the old lady they are realising he is a lying too.

If you want to throw sand and act like an animal they might understand, but they can see you can take them without resorting to such things, in fact many of the tactics he is using is hurting himself rather more than he is actually hurting you and when the fight is over his big flash house and his high paying job of taking a cut of every transaction in the village because he owns the bank and controls the product markets will piece by piece be taken away from him by his own actions to try to punish you.

Putin knows this and so does Xi and the rest of the world are coming around to the fact that they don't need the US or the west.

When will the west realise?

Who cares. Let all the rats go down with that shit ship.

There are three peoples that should be eradicated from the earth along with their descendants. The Germans, the Israelis and the Ukrainians.

Destruction of the M142 "HIMARS" MLRS by an OTRK strike in Sumy Oblast.

https://t.me/lost_armour/3234