Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59

Gotta exterminate this Nazi filth...

Kiko wrote:Ukraine has defaulted – Fitch, 08.14.2024.

Anyone who lends money to the murderous klepocrats in Kiev deserves to lose it all. Its like asking a coke head to mind your stash for a few weeks while you're out of town. You ain't getting shit back.

kvs wrote:Desperation.

As for attacking Khuyiv, the point of the Donbass front is to grind down the Ukr army so diverting it to hide behind civilians does not make any sense.

Khuyiv will fall once the Banderite regime has no army and no irregulars to lean on.

Any Ukop who wants to fight Russia should be given the opportunity. After the Kiev regime is shattered and its last remnants ripped out, there won't be an "insurgency" as those who wanted to fight will already be dead or fcked up for life. Complete eradication of the banderite nationalist mind-virus must be Russias goal. Whether or not they reabsorb chunks of Ukraine back into the Ruski Mir is one question, but the complete destruction of Ukrop nazism is non-negotiable.

Advances around Pokrovsk.  

PapaDragon wrote:

Backman wrote:....
The whole point in the early part of the war was to spare the wholesale slaughter of everyday Ukranians. Now the way it is going , it's almost like the opposite. It looks like Putin is opting for wholesale slaughter to reduce escalation and instability....

Plan in the early part of the war was extremely retarded and self-harming

Backman wrote:....He could regime change Kiev and save lives. Why not try regime change at this point? Just slaughter the entire standing government and see who replaces it

What's the purpose of saving Ukrainian lives?

Because Ukranians are probably more pliant than ppl think. They are just retards following orders. And they just need different orders. It is a lot of work to slaughter them. It is only the scum in the west that is a problem.

But again , the main point is , it seems to be a lot of work to slaughter them. They should be given a chance at a different leadership. Every person involved in the current regime should be killed one after the other.

billybatts91 wrote:Gotta exterminate this Nazi filth...

You see this is what those Ukrainians who talk about the separs spoiling the Minsk peace process and about how they're fighting this war for independence against the russkies, leave out of the conversation.

About their outrage and hatred of Russia well before the current war, about how it dared to help its own people on their own land and prevent the Ukraine bulldozing them in 2015, and about their own cosplaying of the Nazis in the interim, which is ultimately a reflection of the way they view the conflict and the wider world.
And inevitably it translated into support for their regime's course in arming up, ignoring all efforts to move forward the peace process and then the war restarting.

A Chally 2 detonated in the Kursk region

Backman wrote:Because Ukranians are probably more pliant than ppl think. They are just retards following orders. And they just need different orders. It is a lot of work to slaughter them. It is only the scum in the west that is a problem.

But again , the main point is , it seems to be a lot of work to slaughter them. They should be given a chance at a different leadership. Every person involved in the current regime should be killed one after the other.

If they want to follow different orders so they can surrender. They'll be given all the orders they need about how to drop their weapons and then how to spend their time in detention.
There is no alternative for now or any way to change the leadership. Whatever you change it to will still be controlled by NATO and will probably be even more radical. You'll have to at least surround Kiev before you try and play kingmaker.

PapaDragon wrote:And what happens when those same retards are given different set of orders after that?

Exactly what played out already after 1945 when they were given different orders by dumbass commies, USA came and gave them fresh ones and here we are

Don't repeat stupid obvious mistakes from the past and just solve the problem once and for all

Not slaughtering them has proven to be lot more work than slaughtering them

They used up their chances in 1941 anyway

Hard to argue in favor of preserving Ukrainian lives when they seem quite content on sacrificing themselves for empty promises from the EU, UK & US. Also...

Because Ukranians are probably more pliant than ppl think. They are just retards following orders.

Russia's main issue is that they treat other countries like sovereign nations that make decisions for themselves and put their own interests first... Hungary aside, does this sound like any country in Europe today? Does any of them represent the will of their people as opposed to the will of the US, EU, NATO, WEF, Davos, Goldman Sachs, Blackrock and other western corporate and banking parasites?

The Ukraine needs harsh treatment, both during and after the war. It shouldn't be granted independence, nor should Russia burden itself with feeding and rebuilding the shithole, they already did that once during the Soviet Union, look what that got them. It should be turned into a giant North Korea with some Slavic Kim Jong Un ruling over them with an Iron Fist.

It is said that the Challenger are again being destroyed in Kursk.

https://m.vk.com/video-123538639_456310632

Waiting for Retribution: Russia and Iran in No Hurry to Respond to Provocations, by Pëtr Akopov for RiaNovosti. 08.15.2024.

The entire world, but especially the West, is waiting for retribution: first Iranian retribution against Israel, and now Russian retribution against Ukraine. The first has already been announced at the highest Iranian level, after the Palestinian Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh was killed by a missile strike in Tehran two weeks ago. And the Ukrainian invasion of the Kursk region last week has caused widespread speculation about what Moscow's response will be, although Vladimir Putin has not threatened any separate, special retribution against the Kyiv regime for this attack. However, everyone is guessing - for example, Newsweek writes: "Russia will feel the need to give a very tough response, something grandiose, to show the world its power and that actions like Kursk will not go unpunished."

Moreover, these words are presented as a statement by an unnamed "high-ranking source in the Ukrainian Defence Ministry ." And then the experts begin guessing - hundreds of missiles on Ukrainian infrastructure are considered more likely than an offensive in the Sumy region . And then it is emphasized that Moscow is faced with a "very difficult choice" - how to respond so that the signal is well understood by the West, which supplies weapons to Kiev . This article does not say, but it implies that without such a response, Moscow will lose face, and in other publications this idea is carried out straightforwardly.

Now this is something familiar... Of course, they say the same thing about the upcoming Iranian retaliation: it has been a long time coming, and will it happen at all, and if it is weak, then it will be a loss of face for Ayatollah Khamenei and the Iranian leadership as a whole. Such propaganda - and this is exactly it - is not accidental and only confirms what is already clear: in both cases we are dealing with large-scale provocations. The demonstrative murder of Haniyeh in Tehran after the inauguration of the new Iranian president was intended not only to remove one of the Palestinian leaders, but also to provoke Iran to strike Israel, and a very strong strike.

And the invasion of the Kursk region aims not only to extend the front line and slow down the advance of Russian troops in Donbass , but also to provoke Russia to take extraordinary steps in response. What steps? Indiscriminate strikes on Kiev, for example, with a mass of civilian casualties. Or the demonstrative use of tactical nuclear weapons.

But why and who is provoking? Israel is provoking Iran to draw the US into the war – Israeli leaders have long dreamed of a large-scale American strike on Iran. But Ukraine is also provoking Russia in order to strengthen American support – at least, not to let it weaken during the US elections. So, two American puppets are playing with the master? The tail is wagging the dog? Not quite so.

Israel cannot be called an American puppet. This is almost a unique case in modern history of the symbiosis of two states due to the symbiosis of elites: the American elite, as part of the global supranational financial elite, simply cannot refuse maximum support for Israel in almost any of its actions, including the genocide of Palestinians. Except, of course, the attempt to unleash a large-scale regional war that risks escalating into a global war between the West and the Islamic world, and this is precisely what Netanyahu, who is provoking Iran, is playing with.

Ukraine is much more dependent on the US, but it is also a puppet not of purely American elites, but of that part of the Anglo-Saxon, globalist establishment that has bet on suppressing and isolating Russia. And here the stakes are very high - including because Russia remains a nuclear superpower. Provoking Russia is playing with fire, so the West as a whole is still trying to control its Ukrainian satellite.

In the case of Iran, which does not have nuclear weapons, the threshold for provocation is higher – and the assassination of Haniyeh confirms this. Iran is being told in plain language that an excessively strong response to Israel could be fraught with catastrophe for it, that is, a nuclear strike by Israel or a direct clash with the American military machine (which is already built to protect Israel from Iranian missiles). Iranian leaders understand this perfectly well and will not risk putting their country at risk – although it is equally clear that an Israeli nuclear strike or a direct US attack on Iran would have very serious consequences not only for Iran, but also for the aggressors themselves. No one – with the exception of a small, albeit influential part of the Anglo-Saxon elites – wants to cross the line. However, the problem with both situations – not only the Middle East, but also the Ukrainian one – is that the impunity of the provocateurs could sooner or later lead to events getting out of the control of their senior comrades (who are also accumulating serious internal problems).

And then the path to disaster will open? Yes – but, thank God, everything depends not only on the Anglo-Saxon globalist elites. They are opposed by responsible leaders who understand what and with whom they are playing – and therefore neither Putin nor Ayatollah Khamenei can be provoked into rash actions. This does not mean that Russia and Iran will refuse to retaliate, but in both cases it will not be a demonstrative revenge for a specific provocation, but an intensification of the struggle to achieve the set goals. In our case, everything is crystal clear: Russia will tear Ukraine from the hands of the West – and restore the unity of its lands.

https://ria.ru/20240815/provokatsii-1966240663.html

billybatts91 wrote:Gotta exterminate this Nazi filth...

https://x.com/aussiecossack/status/1823869054857437192

And why did the Russian military left this 74 year old man to be harassed by invaders?

When was the last time that a nuclear armed country got invaded?

Kiko wrote:And then the path to disaster will open? Yes – but, thank God, everything depends not only on the Anglo-Saxon globalist elites. They are opposed by responsible leaders who understand what and with whom they are playing – and therefore neither Putin nor Ayatollah Khamenei can be provoked into rash actions. This does not mean that Russia and Iran will refuse to retaliate, but in both cases it will not be a demonstrative revenge for a specific provocation, but an intensification of the struggle to achieve the set goals. In our case, everything is crystal clear: Russia will tear Ukraine from the hands of the West – and restore the unity of its lands.

That's a pretty stupid interpretation

In other words when you're in a boxing match your opponent grabs you by the balls and headbutts you, you're going to keep fighting by the rules?
You'll lose.

Russia can't afford to become too predictable. But equally some 'messages' or demonstrations of force have no value. They impress nobody on the other side.

The response should be to destroy those Ukrainian forces on Russian territory and then drive onto their capital, and this time don't leave but start making preparations to storm it. That would have implications not only politically but directly on the Ukraine's military situation.

As for what the Ukraine has been trying to do with the Kursk invasion. They still seem to be trying to introduce troops and expanding the front into Belgorod too. I've come to the conclusion that there aren't really any definite military goals here. Rather it's just a continuation of the same strategy to 'embarrass' Putin and undermine the Russian population's confidence in their own leadership, sparking revolt or whatever. The same psyops bullshit the Ukrainians and West have always tried with 0 success. Can't blame them though, as this is the only way they can win, divorced from reality as it is.

Karl Haushofer wrote:And why did the Russian military left this 74 year old man to be harassed by invaders?

When was the last time that a nuclear armed country got invaded?

It's nothing new, Russians have been harassed and murdered by such types for the last 10 years in the Donbass

So now they found someone in the border area of Kursk region. Regrettable. For them.

flamming_python wrote:

Kiko wrote:And then the path to disaster will open? Yes – but, thank God, everything depends not only on the Anglo-Saxon globalist elites. They are opposed by responsible leaders who understand what and with whom they are playing – and therefore neither Putin nor Ayatollah Khamenei can be provoked into rash actions. This does not mean that Russia and Iran will refuse to retaliate, but in both cases it will not be a demonstrative revenge for a specific provocation, but an intensification of the struggle to achieve the set goals. In our case, everything is crystal clear: Russia will tear Ukraine from the hands of the West – and restore the unity of its lands.

That's a pretty stupid interpretation

In other words when you're in a boxing match your opponent grabs you by the balls and headbutts you, you're going to keep fighting by the rules?
You'll lose.

Russia can't afford to become too predictable. But equally some 'messages' or demonstrations of force have no value. They impress nobody on the other side.

The response should be to destroy those Ukrainian forces on Russian territory and then drive onto their capital, and this time don't leave but start making preparations to storm it. That would have implications not only politically but directly on the Ukraine's military situation.

As for what the Ukraine has been trying to do with the Kursk invasion. They still seem to be trying to introduce troops and expanding the front into Belgorod too. I've come to the conclusion that there aren't really any definite military goals here. Rather it's just a continuation of the same strategy to 'embarrass' Putin and undermine the Russian population's confidence in their own leadership, sparking revolt or whatever. The same psyops bullshit the Ukrainians and West have always tried with 0 success. Can't blame them though, as this is the only way they can win, divorced from reality as it is.

Karl Haushofer wrote:And why did the Russian military left this 74 year old man to be harassed by invaders?

When was the last time that a nuclear armed country got invaded?

It's nothing new, Russians have been harassed and murdered by such types for the last 10 years in the Donbass

So now they found someone in the border area of Kursk region. Regrettable. For them.

One problem is also that the West has been able to aid and help Ukraine to kill Russians with only an economic cost.

Russia should start targeting Western military bases (via proxies) around the world. It should have done so already in 2022.


Karl, I know you don't normally listen to what I say, but if you keep reposting entire conversations... like I told you and everyone else NOT to, you are going to find my patience runs out and you will find you get a ban of a couple of days to make sure you do read what I say in my capacity as moderator. You don't need to agree or follow my opinions, but when it comes to behaviour on this forum I will give temporary bans and then longer period bans as required. Taking away the quote button will be the last option because I understand many appreciate being able to use it, but it wont stay forever if I end up spending too much time with this sort of thing. Mr Spock made the same mistake and he trimmed the excess text from his post. That is an A1 gold star response.... there is no better response than that. Ignoring me is the opposite and warnings wont continue to be repeated... you guys are all adults and of course mistakes can happen but you can fix mistakes. If you don't care then bans will be my solution, which as I have mentioned I don't like because it is essentially censorship, but when everyone is following the rules why let some ignore them?
GarryB

GarryB wrote:

In other words when you're in a boxing match your opponent grabs you by the balls and headbutts you, you're going to keep fighting by the rules?
You'll lose.

You could argue that if they do that and the ref does nothing then of course you would stop following the rules and draw a 44 magnum and blow his fucking brains out, but this is not a boxing match because there is no referee... or if there is that referee is the western audience who sees and knows what the opposite boxer allows them to see. This is a street fight, and the other guy is launching punches and kicks from behind a 90 year old woman, using her as a shield... do you find a 90 year old woman he does not want to hurt and put her in front of you to hide behind and copy what he is doing?

There is a crowd gathering and they see what he is doing, and most of them already don't like him for what he has done to them, but his bullshit is strong and some in the crowd believe his bullshit that you are the monster but as you take care to smack him when he exposes himself and extra special care not to hurt the old lady they are realising he is a lying  too.

If you want to throw sand and act like an animal they might understand, but they can see you can take them without resorting to such things, in fact many of the tactics he is using is hurting himself rather more than he is actually hurting you and when the fight is over his big flash house and his high paying job of taking a cut of every transaction in the village because he owns the bank and controls the product markets will piece by piece be taken away from him by his own actions to try to punish you.

Putin knows this and so does Xi and the rest of the world are coming around to the fact that they don't need the US or the west.

When will the west realise?

Who cares. Let all the rats go down with that shit ship.

This 5D chess and "Sun Tsu" crap will lead Russia nowhere.

There are three peoples that should be eradicated from the earth along with their descendants. The Germans, the Israelis and the Ukrainians.

Destruction of the M142 "HIMARS" MLRS by an OTRK strike in Sumy Oblast.

https://t.me/lost_armour/3234