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    Post  mnztr Tue Aug 20, 2024 11:56 pm

    If Kursk was a Russian trap, then they screwed it up. There us far too much churn and not enough forces for it up be a Russian trap

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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed Aug 21, 2024 12:29 am

    mnztr wrote:If Kursk was a Russian trap, then they screwed it up. There us far too much churn and  not enough forces for it up be a Russian trap

    True, not a trap. It was indeed initially bungled, but. . . . We have been in a don't interfere with your enemy while he is destroying himself situation for the past couple weeks. The Ukes are bleeding men and tanks and other weapons they cannot afford to lose, in some ways there are parallels to 1943 in that regard. Oh sure, the location of the fuehrer bunkers and the idiot nazi bastards in them are different and unlike 1943, this Kursk isn't a well prepaered piece of real estate with so many thousands of land mines and anti tank guns per square mile, but in one regard there is a major similarity. After making initial and frightening inroads, the enemy has stalled, has absolutely nothing to show for his troubles and has seriously weakened his overall strategic situation.

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    Post  kvs Wed Aug 21, 2024 2:30 am

    People have overly simplistic expectations about military operations. When you are dealing with a force of 10,000 that has been trained by war, you are not going
    to "stop them at the pass" or any other Hollywood BS where they are taken out in 24 hours. The use of the word "bungle" is absurd. The Ukrs utterly failed to
    even get close to their objective of Kurchatov and the Kursk NPP. That's some bungle there. If Russia was caught with its pants down, then the Ukrs would have
    reached Kurchatov. Those border guards and local police would have had precisely zero impact. Russia scrambling to deploy forces from scratch after the Ukr
    "surprise" would consume a significant fraction of a day. This would have been enough time for the Ukrs to reach Kurchatov. They weren't on foot. And, no, Russian
    aviation would not have stopped all of them. A force of thousands is just too target rich.

    Clearly the Ukrs banked on reaching Kurchatov since they thought they had the element of surprise. The "bungle" brigade on this forum would have to attribute absolute
    clown grade incompetence by the Ukrs to have them screw this central element up under conditions of surprise attack. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
    Either Russia bungled and the Ukrs were total retards or Russia did not bungle and the Ukrs were not total retards.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:43 am

    The rate of attrition for Ukrs , along the 1000 km ( approx) frontline per day is 2000 , or 2 killed per km per day ! The rate of attrition for Kursk frontlines of 50 km ( approx ) per day is 350 , or 7 killed per km per day ! So It is a trap .

    It has become a trap, but there were no preparations so you really can't call it a trap... a trap is something prepared in advance specifically to capture or eliminate a threat or enemy.


    BTW , a single barrel shotgun , similar to 40 mm under- Barrel grenade launcher can be manufactured cheaply and issued to troops , to use against drones . They are mostly looking up at the sky , and hidding among bushes , instead of fighting and looking forward .

    Spend two or three times more on the guns and have a semi auto AK based shotgun that allows you to take a few shots at the target if you need them.

    Two legs good , four legs better ! Two eyes good , four eyes better ! Ten shotgun shells guided by twenty eyes better than ten shotgun shells guided by two eyes . About ten times better ! Mass produced , should be cheap , simple tube .

    All of your soldiers carrying the extra weight of a shotgun and ammo for said shotguns is a waste. Two or three guys in each platoon with a 12 gauge adapter for 40mm under barrel grenade launchers would make rather more sense. A Saiga or Vepr semi auto shotgun makes even more sense and can be loaded with solid slug and buckshot loads for fighting in trenches and inside.

    True, not a trap. It was indeed initially bungled,

    I disagree... an attack was planned and executed by the Orcs... after being initially surprised and overwhelmed the Russians have contained the situation and are dealing with it.

    But lets find someone to fire because that fixes everything.

    After making initial and frightening inroads, the enemy has stalled, has absolutely nothing to show for his troubles and has seriously weakened his overall strategic situation.

    These were soldiers... soldiers that have been training in the west with western special forces for a year and a half... Nuland thought this was going to win the war for Kiev... there were very high hopes placed on this action.... much the same as high hopes were placed on the Summer offensive last year.

    This surprise attack was initially successful... which is normal for surprise attacks... but the cost has meant if they had not even tried they would be much better off than they are right now and things continue to get worse as these soldiers used in the incursion get killed and captured.

    Zelensky said part of the goal of the operation is to gather prisoners so they had people to trade for the prisoners the Russians currently hold which is a 5 to one ratio in favour of Russia. So they are risking 12 thousand trained soldiers and enormous amounts of vehicles and artillery and drones and air defence systems to get prisoners back?

    Yeah... the other side are morons.

    They weren't on foot. And, no, Russian
    aviation would not have stopped all of them. A force of thousands is just too target rich.

    The whole concept of drone swarms is based on how impotent you feel when a huge swarm of birds or locusts descend on your farm and consume your crop... you could have a shot gun and all the ammo you can afford and you lose your crop and maybe get a few hundred birds for dinner, or kill a few thousand locusts while the remaining thousands of birds and millions of locusts devour your crop and then move on to the next farm and do the same.


    The original battle of Kursk was not a comprehensive victory, the Soviets took a lot of losses, but it was really the first time the Germans had time to plan and get large forces together and were defeated by the Soviets in open combat as opposed to inside a city where the Soviets could get in close and mitigate the advantages the Germans had in air power and tactics and communication and artillery earlier in the war.

    This battle of Kursk is going to be a slaughter.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:44 am

    Regular wrote:

    The trap is Ukrainian mindset to cling to what is lost or has no net positive for war effort. Remember Krinky.


    It is not ukro mindset, but the brit one.
    Brits are the ones who love overcomplicated operations that hardly ever succeed.
    Their hand is clear in most of the ukro carried terror acts.

    What is a problem here is your mindset.
    Most of you move along two lines, one being "caught with pants down" and the other being "masterpiece trap".
    None of it is true, but gives you space for throwing shit at each other like there is no tomorrow.

    Most of your alarming comments are based on endless ukro propaganda. The latest being AI generated "photos" of how they are approaching Kursk outskirts Laughing and roadsigns made with latin letters instead of cyrylic.
    This is a level of delusion that is being produced, and some of you are swallowing that mouth full, as a nymphomaniac on the first date.

    Kursk intrusion is just one more failed ukro operation, that was set to fail before has even started.
    You can't breach a Russian border defense with 10k force.
    Make it 20k, it is still impossible.
    And this is exactly what has happened - they managed to get 10 km deep as an organized force, being destroyed en route.
    20km in some areas, driving highways.
    You can't do it when unprepared - you need a serious blocking force stationing in the area. It only needs to assemble and arrive in force.
    Could Russkie perform better? Maybe - there is always a chance to do things better.
    Still, they stopped them and are busy now killing them all.
    The number of ukro killed in this operation is shocking, tens of bodies soak into the ground out there.
    The number of POW is shocking either, and what shocks most are the circumstances.
    We have bodycams records of tik tokers looting "Piatyorechka" only to see their mutilated bodies TWO days later.
    We have bodycams records of ukro terrorists taking civilian hostages, only to see them imprisoned a day after.

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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:46 am

    https://www.facebook.com/K01Archive/videos/797992329171016

    Pic: logistic vehicles of Ukrainian was destroyed by Russian in Kursk.

    Logistics is the main issues of Ukrainians in Kursk, and it will determine the outcome.

    During the thrust to Hostomel, Russia also suffered logistics issue. But the Russians managed to hold the line and forced Ukrainians to sit in the negotiation table at that time, The Hostomel thrust also distracted Ukrainian main forces and reinforcements from Mariupol and Donbass.

    However, for Ukrainian at the moment, they are relatively exhaused of their forces. Kursk region is also not the heartland of Russia. And even Ukraine fails to reach Kursk city.

    It is clear that Ukraine failed at all of its two objectives. Russia refuses to negotiate, and none of Russian main forces are distracted.

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    Post  nomadski Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:22 am


    River crossings should be done with armoured Barges , that cross at different points on the ( Siem) River . This puts the Himars beyond use . Drones will hit the heavy steel cage for Barges , and will prove useless too . Pontoon Bridges are vulnerable , to both BM and Drone attacks . Amphibious vehicles or armoured Barges are the only way now .







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    Post  ALAMO Wed Aug 21, 2024 11:23 am

    One more - I saw at least 5 of the scale - mass surrender.

    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/120148

    19 ukrowehrmacht this time.

    Those are the guys whose task was just to push forward and make tik toks about the fact, causing Russkie pussies on TG to freak out and spread some shit about "humiliation".

    They are just cut off, with no supply and reinforcements of any sort.
    Russkie are hunting them down like rabbits, and either kill or imprison them.

    edit :

    Just as an example, TG is full of this sort of vids ...

    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/120151

    Gore warning.

    It is slaughter.

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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Aug 21, 2024 1:10 pm

    Another response to an old question of Seig Solovyov about M1 Abrams in Ukraine

    https://www.facebook.com/K01Archive/videos/3324608781005904

    Pic: M1A1SA served in Ukranian, with Kontakt-1, and was knocked down by Russians.

    If we want to say something good abut M1 Abrams, then it is that the tanks was modified due to the experienced of the Yom Kippur War. The war reinforce the importance of tanks in modern warfare and the threats of ATGM and RPG.

    Therefore, USA reinforced the turret and hull to counter the shaped charge of AT missiles. The composite armour covered large area of surface in turret and in the tank skirts. The optical len was also located at a distance from the tank surface to avoid the impact of the shaped charge. Such modifications mean in many cases it is not needed to add the ERA to Ma Abrams, except in urban warfare when ambushers can target the sides of the tank, neuralizing the composite armour on the skirt.

    However that also means M1 Abrams is very vulnerable to top-down attacks and to artillery bombardment because the top armour is extremely thin and the hull armour is also very thin. As a result, Ukrainian tankers paid dearly by blood and lives due to such shortcomings. They had to add ERA on the weak points but the protection was not adequate, and if Kontakt-1 was added to the already thick part of the tank it only serves to add the weight.

    In other words, USA attempted to draw some lessons from the Yom Kippur War and Ukraine is paying for USA's attempts.

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    Pic: composite armour at the front and the sides of Abrams, but not on the top and rear. It is suitable for conventional warfare when the enemy artillery is weak.

    However, Abrams turret is too heavy. With the additional of Trophy, that means the turret coulld lost the balance due to weight and unable to rotate.

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    Post  Kiko Wed Aug 21, 2024 1:26 pm

    The capture of New York opened the way to the West for the Russian army, by Evgeniy Krutikov for VZGLYAD. 08.21.2024.

    In the DPR, the settlement of Novgorodskoye, better known as New York, has been liberated. The operation in a large settlement with several factory complexes and a railway junction took only a month and a half. And the strategic importance of the Russian army liberating New York cannot be overestimated: this is one of the turning points of the entire conflict.

    The Donbass settlement called New York was founded by Mennonite Protestants during the reign of Catherine the Great. Most likely, it has nothing to do with the largest city in the USA, but refers to the York community in Lower Saxony, where some of the colonists came from.

    After World War II and the deportation of local Germans to the Far East, the village was renamed Novgorodskoye, and the name New York was returned under Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko with the aim of collecting American investment for this campaign.

    The investments did not work out, but the symbol remained. In Donetsk, as a joke, it is proposed to issue a commemorative medal "For the Liberation of New York", but so far this initiative has not received support, and the tendency to return Soviet names to liberated settlements suggests that there will be no more New York, there will be Novgorodskoye.

    But Novgorod was liberated, and New York was taken, even if it remains New York for now, so that the main foreign policy conclusion from this whole story could be emphasized:

    The capture of New York by the Russian army is a logical outcome of Joe Biden's presidency.

    The operation began on July 2 with a four-kilometer dash into the residential areas of New York. And on August 20, the phenol plant was finally cleared – a city-forming enterprise, where the Ukrainian Armed Forces tried to organize a defense until the very end, as happened in every large settlement where there are industrial zones.

    The defence of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the vicinity of Donetsk (from Novgorodskoye to the capital of the republic 70 km) was built on several "fortresses" into which the industrial cities of the region were transformed over the course of ten years. The Ukrainians intended to use them as a support for the attack on Donetsk, which created a specific system of transport hubs.

    The Dzerzhinsky (Toretsky) urban agglomeration, which includes New York, is the last such "fortress". The distance between settlements in this zone is small, in places they have grown together, forming a zone of continuous urban development of varying heights, in which it is difficult to maneuver.

    At the same time, between the suburbs of Dzerzhinsk (Toretsk) and New York there are abandoned mines, their old waste heaps and several quarries filled with water. All this beauty was covered from the front by concrete circular strong points, some of which rested on waste heaps, dumps and other artificial heights.

    This stronghold was especially important for the entire infrastructure of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Donetsk direction. Even more important than Avdiivka.

    Previously, New York and the Dzerzhinsk agglomeration were used by the Armed Forces of Ukraine as a major transport hub. Then this function was taken over by Konstantinovka, located north along the railway line from New York.

    In fact, for the enemy, the main point of holding New York and the Torets agglomeration was precisely that this position played the role of a shield from the south for Konstantinovka – the main point of supply, transit and formation of the entire Donetsk group of the Ukrainian Armed Forces from Chasov Yar to Krasnoarmeysk (Pokrovsk).

    Now this shield is gone. The Krasnoarmeysk - Konstantinovka - Artemovsk road is now the main supply route for Ukrainian troops in Chasovy Yar. The entire defence of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is based on this transport corridor over a huge area. But at its westernmost point, the Russian Armed Forces have already come close to Krasnoarmeysk, and in the middle of the road, Konstantinovka - the main defence and supply hub - is under threat.

    Thus, with the liberation of New York and (soon) the entire Torez agglomeration, for the first time in a long time, the opportunity will be created not just for a tactical break in the Ukrainian Armed Forces front, but for its collapse.

    As Russian troops approach Konstantinovka and the route is placed under fire control, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will lose the ability to supply their group in Chasovy Yar. In this case, the only strongholds in the entire Donetsk direction will remain Kramatorsk and Slavyansk, which are relatively remote from the scene of events.

    This, in fact, is a “collapse of the front” similar to what happened after the liberation of Avdiivka, only on a larger scale.

    The strategy of the Russian General Staff, apparently, consists of delivering several strikes in different directions, which complement each other and synergistically create a domino effect.

    In parallel with the events in New York, the forced assault on Chasov Yar by three airborne divisions was suspended, since the operation against the Toretsk agglomeration created the preconditions, if not for encircling the Ukrainian Armed Forces group in Chasov Yar, then at least for its partial isolation and deprivation of supplies.

    From New York to the north up to Konstantinovka there are no large enemy strongholds - only a series of settlements at railway stations, and the Russian Armed Forces have learned to cope with such obstacles very well, as shown by the events west of Ocheretino. There the offensive was initially conducted along the railway line, fortunately the railways in that area are built along natural ridges of hills or embankments, which makes them a unique firing position in the flat terrain.

    The New York operation showed that the Ukrainian Armed Forces can no longer hold large settlements for months. In the same way, in the spring, after the occupation of Ocheretino, it suddenly became clear that the Ukrainians cannot hold defence in the open field either. For several months now, the pace of advance of Russian troops to the west of Ocheretino has been several kilometers per day, which allowed them to reach the main objectives - Krasnoarmeysk (Pokrovsk) and Selidovo.

    Of course, New York with its mostly private buildings gave the enemy fewer chances to gain a foothold somewhere, as was the case in Artemovsk (Bakhmut). But the enemy still tried to counterattack in the central part of the city, although the attempt to strengthen the phenol plant failed, although at the last moment reinforcements began to be transferred to New York even from the Kharkov and Sumy sectors.

    There are clearly not enough reserves in all directions, despite constant talk that the Ukrainian Armed Forces are allegedly holding 12 more brigades somewhere, of which six are “heavy” – with Leopard tanks.

    The Ukrainian Armed Forces made some mistakes in their calculations even at the planning stage. The "fortress" in this agglomeration was built since 2015 "facing" Gorlovka and Donetsk. Kiev could not have imagined that Avdiivka would fall earlier, and after the liberation of Avdiivka, the Russian Armed Forces would move almost 100 km to the west without stopping.

    As a result, Russian troops approached New York from the south, and the main defensive positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the suburbs of Dzerzhinsk (Toretsk) were semi-encircled.

    The liberation of New York and the advance into the rest of the Dzerzhinsk agglomeration was the result of the same strategy of multi-directional strikes that the Russian Armed Forces have been using for about a year now.

    One of the main positive aspects of this strategy is the coordination of actions of several distant groups. Despite the fact that they may have different headquarters and commanders, the front acts as a single organism, although sometimes this is not very noticeable to an outside observer, since Chasov Yar, New York, Dzerzhinsk and Krasnoarmeysk are tens and hundreds of kilometers behind each other. Each event equal to the liberation of New York entails the gravest consequences for the entire line of defense of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. And no one is going to stop: Konstantinovka is ahead.

    https://vz.ru/society/2024/8/21/1283056.html

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    Post  BliTTzZ Wed Aug 21, 2024 1:49 pm

    nomadski wrote:
    River crossings should be done with armoured Barges , that cross at different points on the ( Siem) River . This puts the Himars beyond use . Drones will hit the heavy steel cage for Barges , and will prove useless too . Pontoon Bridges are vulnerable , to both BM and Drone attacks . Amphibious vehicles or armoured Barges are the only way now .

    There are many places where you can cross this river without the need of any barges or pontoon bridges. The river has run dry considerably long time ago.

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    Post  franco Wed Aug 21, 2024 2:29 pm

    Russian MoD reports 2360 Ukrainian casualties over the past 24 hours including...

    Summary of the Russian Ministry of Defense on the progress of repelling the attempted invasion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine into the territory of the Russian Federation (as of August 21, 2024)

    The Armed Forces continue to repel the attempted invasion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine into the territory of the Russian Federation.

    Units of the North group of forces, with the support of army aviation and artillery fire, thwarted attempts by enemy assault groups in the direction of the settlements of Komarovka, Korenevo, Malaya Loknya and Russian Konopelka.

    As a result, the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost more than 45 servicemen killed and wounded, two were captured, two tanks, an M113 armored personnel carrier made by the United States and six armored fighting vehicles were destroyed.

    Reconnaissance and search operations are continuing to identify and destroy enemy sabotage groups in the forests that tried to penetrate deep into Russian territory.

    Air strikes, artillery fire and the actions of the defending troops defeated concentrations of manpower and equipment of the 22nd, 115th mechanized, 82nd airborne assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Apanasovka, Borki, Vishnevka, Kositsa, Nizhny Klin, Snagost, Sverdlikovo and Kazachya Loknya.

    Tactical air strikes were carried out on the areas of concentration of personnel and military equipment of the AFU reserves in the Sumy region: the 22nd and 41st mechanized, 82nd airborne assault, 92nd assault brigades, 103rd, 106th and 129th air defense brigades, as well as the 69thThe 1st infantry battalion in the areas of the settlements of Belopolye, Boyaro-Lezhachi, Glukhov, Krasnopolye, Novye Virki, Pokrovka, Pisarevka, Mogritsa and Yunakovka.

    During the day, the losses of the Armed Forces amounted to 300 soldiers and 26 armored vehicles, including six tanks, three armored personnel carriers, 17 armored combat vehicles, as well as two cars, four artillery pieces and two MLRS launchers.

    In total, during the fighting in the Kursk direction, the enemy lost more than 4,400 soldiers, 65 tanks, 27 infantry fighting vehicles, 53 armored personnel carriers, 316 armored combat vehicles, 133 vehicles, 31 artillery pieces, five anti-aircraft missile systems, nine multiple launch rocket launchers, including three HIMARS MLRS and one MLRS, six electronic warfare stations, four units of engineering equipment, including two engineering barrier vehicles and one UR-77 mine clearance unit.

    The operation to destroy the AFU formations continues.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12526170@egNews

    NOTE: from underlined units above at least 8 Ukrainian brigades have been committed to battle in Kursk so far with reports another 2 being on route (69th and 128th). Those translated above as air defense are actually territorial defense.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Aug 21, 2024 2:53 pm

    You know that shit is too serious to cover when even titles like Bloomberg can't deny that ...

    Bloomberg called the Ukrainian offensive in the Kursk region the most failed military operation in the 21st century in terms of the ratio between the result and the resources expended.

    According to Bloomberg's sources, even the Americans fleeing Afghanistan have not wasted so many resources.


    A retired US Army general Bradley Gericke is being cited.

    https://t.me/intelslava/65364

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    Post  Regular Wed Aug 21, 2024 3:28 pm

    JohninMK wrote:

    That was identified as M31 due to pattern spread. It wasn't enough to destroy the vehicles so Ukrainians used FPVs to finish the job.


    ALAMO wrote:

    It is not ukro mindset, but the brit one.
    Then they share this, because even in 2014 so called ATO they clang to lost battles, remember Donetsk airport as most famous one.

    Brits are the ones who love overcomplicated operations that hardly ever succeed.
    Their hand is clear in most of the ukro carried terror acts.
    I am pretty confident to say that Ukrainians are capable of planning terrorists acts or operations themselves. There are always names behind them and same MO. Budanov went trough CIA school and has it's own way that stinks up the show.

    What is a problem here is your mindset.

    Already dropped this mindset thingy years ago. My mindset is - acknowledging "L" only makes "W" tastier. That what differs Pro-Ru side from always "victorious" Pro-UA.

    Most of you move along two lines, one being "caught with pants down" and the other being "masterpiece trap".
    None of it is true, but gives you space for throwing shit at each other like there is no tomorrow.
    The fact is that this region dropped a ball compared to Belgorod, that's evident and it's not being hidden from Russian media, names, investigations, shortcomings all mentioned.
    Let's admit that defensives in Kursk were poorly manned (I can't comment if they were poorly built, but there are talks on Russian media that it was. But what's the difference if they weren't manned)
    As per Kursk operation, I believe it will be Syrkys Magnus Opus that will serve his real motherland that he betrayed, not Ukraine.

    Most of your alarming comments are based on endless ukro propaganda. The latest being AI generated "photos" of how they are approaching Kursk outskirts Laughing and roadsigns made with latin letters instead of cyrylic.
    EVEN WORSE, most of the alarming comments are based on Russian voenkors from TG. There is that emotional part that gets amplified even more. And yes, Ukrainians lie and make claims of presence, but that's their informational warfare, to seed FUD and panic. It gets called out and it backfires very often.
    Only raw information (that can be geolocated and date matched) from Kursk is useful, even Russians play that game and release bullshit.

    This is a level of delusion that is being produced, and some of you are swallowing that mouth full, as a nymphomaniac on the first date.
    Very respectful, haha. That's the thing, not everyone has time to parse through all the infosludge. I say, best to have a delay of couple days and be proven right than wrong.
    In my case, I learned my lesson during SMO where I expected total Ukrainian collapse every other day and ignored the realities (it was impossible to be impartial)

    Kursk intrusion is just one more failed ukro operation, that was set to fail before has even started.
    Let's call it failed when it fails. You just said about conclusions. I have no doubt it will, but let's see it crash first.
    You can't breach a Russian border defense with 10k force.
    Make it 20k, it is still impossible.
    What do you mean? Most of the Russian border is porous. It's not Lichtenstein where border guards can hold their hands to form a human fence.
    Breaches happened, not long ago gangs of jihadis were breaching Russian borders for their raids until they got wiped out, but it took years of counter insurgency.
    Russian MOD at first day reported that it was 300 soldiers who breached it and filmed the column. Explain this impossiblity because for me it makes no sense. Remember Belgorod raids?

    And this is exactly what has happened - they managed to get 10 km deep as an organized force, being destroyed en route.
    20km in some areas, driving highways.
    First day it was 14 km deep, 11 tanks, 20 other vehicles, 300 troops or so as per Russian mod statement that corresponds with video evidence. Ambushes on Ukrainians didn't happen first days. There was non-contact fighting, Ukrainians tried to by pass Russian fortifications, even those poorly manned, there wasn't established control yet, hence why most people thought it will be similar raid to earlier Belgorod and RDK nonsense.

    You can't do it when unprepared - you need a serious blocking force stationing in the area. It only needs to assemble and arrive in force.
    Could Russkie perform better? Maybe - there is always a chance to do things better.
    Territorial guard, rosgvardiya like in Belgorod, where's that? Drone and counterdrone operators, where? REB guys clearly say that they were only moved to Kursk days later. From Belgorod. I mean, we have example just few kilometers away what could be done better.

    Still, they stopped them and are busy now killing them all.
    What, did anyone didn't expect Ukrainians not to be stopped and roll to Vladivostok? That's pretty moot.

    The number of ukro killed in this operation is shocking, tens of bodies soak into the ground out there.
    How come it's shocking? Robotino wasn't shocking? Artyomovsk wasn't shocking? Krynki where Ukrainians lost whole brigade in 4k footage wasn't shocking? What's shocking about now? Why even use this language, or you saying this is worse than full frontal counter-offensive? It's peanuts, but the losses on equipment is not.

    The number of POW is shocking either, and what shocks most are the circumstances.
    You are easily shocked man, because remember Bahmut. Again, it's peanuts.

    We have bodycams records of tik tokers looting "Piatyorechka" only to see their mutilated bodies TWO days later.
    What relevance does it have? Also, we still didn't see looters mogilised, if you have, share because there are bounties on them that are not claimed yet. Check Ukrainian HeadhunterZ tg.

    We have bodycams records of ukro terrorists taking civilian hostages, only to see them imprisoned a day after.
    That happened, Aida took the guys. But what relevance does it have both tactically and strategically speaking? I don't understand. Does filming a tiktok makes one invincible, no one here thinks that way. It's bunch of trivialities. Talk about Sumy getting blasted, Patriots getting destroyed, Himars getting hunted down, Russian remote mining Zemledeliye being in used, not when someone scratched their ass or hoisted a flag in who knows where.


    To sum it up, none of us have monopoly in truth nor we are fortune tellers. What we see now is Russian offensive going as nothing happened, Ukrainians in south complaining AGAIN (!!!) of shell shortage because it went to Kursk, and Kursk operation is not giving desirable effect. Failure of it, we might see later, maybe it has other goals we don't know. For Ukrainians, well they will spin it as a victory in any case, does it matter?

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Aug 21, 2024 3:36 pm

    They have to translate this "spin" to their masters first, as since the first hour all the western media is whining about senseless action.
    And has started to openly call it failure for a while now.
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    Post  Regular Wed Aug 21, 2024 3:59 pm

    Witness the madness.

    For the equipment enthusiasts, here’s an updated list of Ukrainian vehicles spotted in Kursk as of today, August 21, 2024. Feel free to add anything - this isn’t about destroyed vehicles, but also those that have been spotted.

    If you're on Twitter, give him a follow. He shares valuable information that's hard to come by in this age of infohazzards.

    List made by Sufllaqja,

    "A small Tac-Log thread"

    https://x.com/Mik0R0la/status/1822198737260745185

    Here is a list of all the vehicles mentioned:

    1. BTR-4E
    2. KTO Rosomak
    3. BMC Kirpi
    4. M113 Armored Personnel Carrier
    5. MAN HX81
    6. Otokar Kobra II
    7. AS-90 Self-Propelled Artillery
    8. T-72B3 Main Battle Tank
    9. T-90M Main Battle Tank
    10. Challenger 2 Main Battle Tank
    11. BREM-4M Armored Recovery Vehicle
    12. BATT UMG Armored Vehicle
    13. M1083 A1P2 Armored Cab Truck
    14. Oncilla Armored Personnel Carrier
    15. GAZ Tigr
    16. Pickup Truck (Unspecified Model)
    17. BMR-1 Armored Mine-Clearing Vehicle
    18. BOV-M Armored Personnel Carrier or VAB Armored Personnel Carrier (to be confirmed)*
    19. 2S7 Pion Self-Propelled Gun
    20. Wisent Armored Engineering Vehicle
    21. M88 Hercules Armored Recovery Vehicle
    22. BMP-1 Infantry Fighting Vehicle
    23. MT-LB Multi-Purpose Armored Vehicle
    24. PT-91 Twardy Main Battle Tank
    25. KrAZ Cougar Armored Vehicle
    26. Roshel Senator Armored Personnel Carrier
    27. Oshkosh M-ATV
    28. Kozak Armored Vehicle
    29. Bushmaster Protected Mobility Vehicle
    30. MaxxPro Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicle
    31. Stryker Armored Personnel Carrier
    32. BTR-60M Armored Personnel Carrier
    33. BTR-70 Armored Personnel Carrier / BTR-80 Armored Personnel Carrier
    34. VAB Armored Personnel Carrier
    35. Marder Infantry Fighting Vehicle
    36. T-64 Main Battle Tank
    37. T-72 Main Battle Tank
    38. BAT-2 Engineering Vehicle
    39. BREM Armored Recovery Vehicle
    40. MAZ-537 Heavy Tractor Truck (Bogdan)
    41. Ural Truck
    42. AHS Krab Self-Propelled Howitzer
    43. 2S1 Gvozdika Self-Propelled Howitzer
    44. BM-21 Grad Multiple Rocket Launcher
    45. M777 Howitzer
    46. 9K37 Buk Surface-to-Air Missile System
    47. 2K22 Tunguska Anti-Aircraft Weapon System
    48. Cougar H MRAP (4 and 6 wheel based versions)

    49. M55S Tank (addition by ALAMO, thank you)


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    Post  ALAMO Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:01 pm

    Add Slovenian M55S. Was spotted roasted.

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    Post  Arrow Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:39 pm

    https://t.me/RVvoenkor/75342

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    Post  Belisarius Wed Aug 21, 2024 6:20 pm

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    🇷🇺🇺🇦 There are more and more reports about the village of Ptichye coming under the control of the Russian Armed Forces and the beginning of the assault on the settlement of Kalinovo.

    https://t.me/intelslava/65374

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    Post  Mir Wed Aug 21, 2024 6:22 pm

    @Regular

    He should perhaps have also mentioned SAM systems like the Patriot, S-300, Iris-T and NASAM's?

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    Post  billybatts91 Wed Aug 21, 2024 6:35 pm

    This is the result of when you let NATO cross all your red lines and you do nothing about it...

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    Post  Mir Wed Aug 21, 2024 6:47 pm

    They shot it down dunno

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    Post  Regular Wed Aug 21, 2024 7:02 pm

    I think Estonians let Ukrainians use their airspace for small suicide drones.

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