Russian special military operation in Ukraine #60

when did you think that people make decisions?

When a NATO puppet gets in, they abuse the system to make sure no other non-NATO puppet gets power again. They copy paste themselves as false opposition and then your options in a "democracy" are essentially all the same people.

So no, simply removing their government and writing a paper to say they are neutral wont do anything. What is written on that paper is worth as much as the paper is worth. In the end, NATO and its people will break every single rule there is and they will always find a way to install their puppet.

Finland initially written that they would never join NATO. Then when they did, they said they would never host NATO soldiers in their country. Then they did. Now they say they will never host Nuclear Weapons........ Get my point?

So Russia has no choice really. Either take entirety of Ukraine or the parts that actually matter and rule it, along with making sure the people understand what is happening, or the other option is far worst.

Look at Armenia now? They will be used as a springboard against Russia. And they have countless examples of why NATO is bad. All the while, they agreed to work with Pashinyan, who is destroying Armenia. No matter the education and institutions there, they ended up a NATO proxy.

sepheronx wrote:So no, simply removing their government and writing a paper to say they are neutral wont do anything.

When removing the NATO-installed puppet government, you are removing the people that in power and let another influx of the people go inside the place of authority, and then after that you and the new government have to remove all the NATO thugs and Western foreign agents inside the country to make sure that none of the Western criminals can have any position to influence the host country.

And of course there will be the steps of post war reconstructions and economic agreements in which the new Ukrainian government and Russia show to the people that having a peaceful relationship with Russia will bring them tangible, real benefits, not a pie in the sky like what NATO promised.

In other words, you are helping the Ukrainian people build a brand new government that know what is really good and rational for them.

And that does not mean Russia "take over their land" or install a puppet government in the same manner as NATO did.

NATO and its people will always find a way to install their puppet, but it is your talent to determine that whether they can get a foothold in your country.

@Sepheronx.

I agree. Russia has this chance now , to take and rule most of Ukraine. The US is already starting to build a new army in Poland. This will take 6-8 years minimum. And they will probably use that army in a future war in Ukraine.

higurashihougi wrote:
In other words, you are helping the Ukrainian people build a brand new government that know what is really good and rational for them.

And that does not mean Russia "take over their land" or install a puppet government in the same manner as NATO did.

You should take a look at a map of the Russian Empire before you suggest letting territory ceded by the traitors incharge of the Soviet Union.

The us will not be defeated by Russia making concessions to it. Russia should tell any minor leader to shut up and stay out of thier politics for thier own benefit, actually a nation suggesting that Russia make endless concessions to the us should be considered an enemy of the Russian Federation as they are actively helping the us.

Backman wrote:I agree. Russia has this chance now , to take and rule most of Ukraine. The US is already starting to build a new army in Poland. This will take 6-8 years minimum. And they will probably use that army in a future war in Ukraine.

If the poles want to fight Russia in uniform then why not go back to when Russia's western border was shared with Germany?

The-thing-next-door wrote:You should take a look at a map of the Russian Empire before you suggest letting territory ceded by the traitors incharge  of the Soviet Union.

You should look at the history of Russia in 20th century to see that the Tsarist White Army were traitors who received money from Western investors to invade Russia, and it was the communists in charge of USSR that managed to save Russia from the brink of collapse.

No offense but you are worshiping the ones that betrayed Russia while vilifying the ones that saved it.

About the "concession" I do not see what are concessions to the USA, as what I say is the destruction of the Maidan puppet regime installed by USA together with all the NATO foreign agents and spies in Ukraine.

A bit more on this major success, one of the most effective to date.

“Dozens of dead and hundreds of wounded soldiers” – Ukrainian Ground Forces admit heavy losses from the attack on Poltava
"A terrible day": the Ukrainian Defense Ministry has revealed details of the attack on the military institute. The building was partially destroyed by the strike of two ballistic missiles.
The time interval between the alarm and the arrival was fatally short. The Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers were caught while descending into a bomb shelter.
25 people were rescued, 11 of them were freed from under the rubble. Rescuers continue their work.
"This is a war. And our citizens, our soldiers were killed by the enemy, who struck far in the rear," the Ground Forces said in a statement.
"The Ground Forces Command is conducting an investigation to determine whether enough was done to protect the lives and health of servicemen at the facility. And to determine whether the facility was properly managed under the constant missile threat of the enemy."
“Measures to ensure personnel at facilities will be tightened, as will the requirements for discipline and command of our units.”
The beggars also called on their Western masters to “speed up the provision of aid that will allow Russian deadly weapons to be pushed away from the Ukrainian borders.”
http://t.me/RVvoenkor

Iskanders destroyed an entire company of attack UAVs

The Poltava regional administration reported 2 weeks ago that “a company of attack unmanned aerial systems is being formed on the basis of one of the military units of the Poltava region.”

Preference is given to specialists in radio communications, aerodynamics, and programmers. The task that will face them is to work with new types of UAVs. The purpose of the drones is different, from attack to reconnaissance, said senior officer of the Armed Forces of Ukraine A. Goncharenko.
- RVvoenkor

Reggie Meezer
@ReggieMeezer
10 days before the strike on the communications school in Poltava, the local Gauleiter's entourage was actively advertising the upcoming graduation from the school, pointing out that they were focusing on communications & UAV specialists

Many of this lot now 200 or 300.

From MoA

Ukraine - Russian Missile Strike Hits Swedish Instructors

A Russian missile strike on the Ukrainian Military Institute of Communications in Poltava has at least killed 41 and wounded two hundreds. Other sources claim higher numbers.

Poltava is about 120 kilometer from the Russian border. The warning times after the missile launch was allegedly too short for everyone to reach the bunkers.

The Institute of Communications is training radio and radar operators. Its main multi-story building has been completely destroyed.

Britta Ellwanger, a (former?) Swedish volunteer with the Ukrainian army wrote that Swedish friends of hers, also volunteering with the Ukrainian army, were among those who died in the strike.

Sweden had promised to gift two Swedish AWACS planes to Ukraine: Sweden has announced sending its Saab 340B AEW&C (Airborne Early Warning and Control) aircraft to Kyiv, as per an announcement made by its defense ministry on May 29, 2024.

Given the nature of the Institute of Communications in Poltava it is likely that the Swedes were training Ukrainian operators for those. One wonders why the training was not held elsewhere.

The Swedes should have remembered the history of that city: The Battle of Poltava[e] (8 July 1709) was the decisive and largest battle of the Great Northern War. The Russian army under the command of Tsar Peter I defeated the Swedish army under the command of Carl Gustaf Rehnskiöld. The battle put an end to the status of the Swedish Empire as a European great power, as well as its eastbound expansion, and marked the beginning of Russian supremacy in eastern Europe.

Swedish and NATO attempts to change that status of Russia in eastern Europe more than 300 years after it had been achieved has ended in failure.

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"[W]hy the training was not held elsewhere?"

That's a very sensible question since so many training centers become targets thanks to intel developed by Russians. Show up at a hotel for a meeting and before the meeting ends the hotel gets flattened. I'll bet humint provided the details for this specific strike. And with Iskander production increased, they are being used almost daily; the direct hits on solitary Himars are impressive.

This event is yet further evidence that Russia is at war with NATO. Supposedly, the reason given for US refusal of permission for Ukraine to launch deeper strikes into Russia is that Russia in turn will target Ukraine's deep rear which is located in other nations--Poland and Romania most specifically--and thus enlarge the war which NATO can't win. And we should be clear about the status of NATO troops within Ukraine--they're NATO troops, not mercs, and Russia's keen to eliminate them.Posted by: karlof1 | Sep 3 2024 15:31 utc | 19 

The Poltova regional head Philip Pronin, speaking on Ukrainian TV, says 50 people have been killed in the attack, and more than 235 have been injured.
He says another 15 people are believed to be still trapped under the rubble. Posted by: james | Sep 3 2024 15:53 utc | 37

at https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/09/ukraine-russian-missile-strike-hits-swedish-instructors.html#comments

“Big trouble”, “more than a hundred corpses”: attack on Ukrainian Armed Forces formation, many dead

"In Poltava, I believe, there are more than a hundred corpses. Arrivals both in formation and in the canteen. There is just a mess there.
179th training center of the communications troops (military unit A3990) in Poltava, 44 Zinkivska Street.
How soldiers are deliberately set up, and this despite the fact that there are no people at the front,” wrote Ukrainian journalist A. Shariy.
"A big problem," commented military communications specialist of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Sergei Flesh.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/107871

Looks like another volley of strikes is on the way. Keep killing those NATO NAZIS!      

Novorossiya and Ukraine Oblast will soon reunite with Russia  

lyle6 wrote:Your beloved Bolsheviks caused the collapse of Russia in the first place - not once, but twice in 80 years. They didnt save anyone. Incompetent mass murdering retards.

Your White Army was, has been, and will always be, the puppets and lapdogs of the West, while Russia inside the USSR created the superpower that challenged US hegemony.

Harsh truth is bitter to swallow for some.

Some sources say dozens of Ukrainian soldiers died. Some sources say hundreds.

Many nazis are upset that so many highly trained specialists were allowed to be together at one time.... these are experts in radar and drone operations as well as EW specialists. There was talk that a few HATO officers were there including at least one from Sweden.

NATO is a hostile offensive alliance -

It is also pretty ineffective and corrupt and bloated and tends to do more damage to its members than any large country it has ever taken on.

Russia couldn't ignore it if it was actually effective, but it isn't. It is an old boys club to make sure more countries buy US crap they wouldn't otherwise even consider buying.

It is the US doing to Europe what Europe did to Africa.

As increased energy costs bite and the loss of trade from American sanctions their quality of life will suffer, and this is at a time when they have emptied their store of weapons accumulated over the decades and now they need a massive reequipment to replace the old with new and pretty much upgrade everything which is going to be enormously expensive... and it wont be made in Europe because their energy costs are too high...

Windfall for US MIC owners and shareholders, but it is a disease across the board in the west.

During the Early to mid 2000s all the money being made went to shareholders and bonuses for CEOs... holidays and expensive houses and yachts were bought with new money.

In Russia all that extra money went into new tooling and upgrading factories and buying new technologies while the west was selling it.... the result is that the Russians are in a much better place now and good decisions means their future looks good too.

They can modify some of their industry to consume the gas that the west no longer wants to buy... cheap energy is good for Russia too... selling cheap to Europe to get European currency so they can buy food no longer applies... Euros and US dollars are no longer useful or needed, so cheaper energy for local businesses makes more sense.

When this conflict ends what are the chances of European companies quietly setting up factories in Russia near raw materials and running on cheap energy to make European goods...

I hope Russia does not let them do that.

By this time Ukrainian people have realized that the NATO dream is a piece of crap already, and what prevent them from act is the military dictatorship of Zelensky imposing over their head.

They might never realise this, but that is not Russias problem.... Ukraine essentially closed the border with Russia and tried to cancel Russian language and culture and religion, and even to this day they fight to have Russia and Russians banned everywhere.... Russia does not need to fix them, just respect their wall and put up your own defences and trade with the rest of the world.... there are plenty of countries that want to trade with Russia in a free and fair and open way where Russia does not act like a colonial power like western countries do... demanding law changes and concessions to be made etc etc.

When a NATO puppet gets in, they abuse the system to make sure no other non-NATO puppet gets power again. They copy paste themselves as false opposition and then your options in a "democracy" are essentially all the same people.

When the people have really had enough and realise the promises are all empty then there will be change.

The Crimea was not a case of Putin going in and saving those people... those people organised themselves and saved themselves and then invited the Russians in to ensure peace and no strikes from Kiev while they had their referendum.

In the end, NATO and its people will break every single rule there is and they will always find a way to install their puppet.

You make it sound like they never fail and never lose.

Internationally they are losing now and when the real cost in terms of bodies in Ukrainian graves becomes known there is going to be backlashes in a lot of places... there are already political backlashes in Germany and France, and of course Turkey actually looks like it is wanting to change sides by joining BRICS. Hungary also is not doing as it is told, like the current pro west Georgian government.

They are learning that being pro west is not enough, you have to be a blind slave that does exactly what they are told and volunteer to be cannon fodder if the US so wishes.

Finland initially written that they would never join NATO. Then when they did, they said they would never host NATO soldiers in their country. Then they did. Now they say they will never host Nuclear Weapons........ Get my point?

Political decisions made by politicians and not the people. The ramifications of cutting themselves off from Russia is going to cost them and there was pride in being neutral too that should not be ignored.

Listen to Swiss officials claiming they are still neutral even though they join western sanctions... it is important to some of them.

When Russia has started IRBM and IRCM production they can talk about all the targets these weapons will be aimed at and those listed will start to understand the effects of their change in stance that they were not consulted about.

As things start to bite a more sober assessment of what they have done is likely to lead to changes I suspect... if joining HATO was supposed to make either country safer then it has done the opposite.

I rather suspect the reality is that the EU and HATO did what they always do... it is us or them and you have to pick and so of course losing trade with Russia is the lessor of the two evils compared with losing trade with the west.

Pretty shitty thing to do though.

So Russia has no choice really. Either take entirety of Ukraine or the parts that actually matter and rule it, along with making sure the people understand what is happening, or the other option is far worst.

I agree, but way before Russian armoured troops approach HATO borders and Moldova borders the Kiev regime and military will have collapsed and then it will be a case of collecting up their weapons and processing them looking for war criminals and then keeping the peace while referendums on the future of Ukraine and its people is decided by the people.

The referendum will include all the options that Russia finds acceptable and the people can choose.

Look at Armenia now? They will be used as a springboard against Russia.

If Armenias loyalty to Russia can be so easily washed away then what value was there there in the first place?

If the current guy owned by the west retains power in the next election then it is the peoples choice and the west is welcome to them.

Honestly Russia has no land borders with Armenia and the only allies with borders with Armenia would be Iran and Turkey and Azerbaijan... which all seem able to cooperate and trade with Russia, but Armenia has problems.

Well, I understand the US is interested, but probably more for use against Iran than for use against Russia.

And they have countless examples of why NATO is bad. All the while, they agreed to work with Pashinyan, who is destroying Armenia. No matter the education and institutions there, they ended up a NATO proxy.

If the people of Armenia don't care enough to do anything about it then why should Russia care.

It is the same with the situation in NK... if Armenia does not recognise it as Armenian then what is Russia supposed to do about it?

NATO and its people will always find a way to install their puppet, but it is your talent to determine that whether they can get a foothold in your country.

It costs big money to do what the west does, so the sooner the US dollar collapses the better...

Your beloved Bolsheviks caused the collapse of Russia in the first place - not once, but twice in 80 years. They didnt save anyone. Incompetent mass murdering retards.

There is no way the commies could have taken power if the aristocracy had not already stuffed the country up good and proper.

The brought the planet to the space age using a huge country but the country they inherited was broken and backward and it went through a lot of pain to get to where it did.

It also faced the entire western world but it failed because it had so many dependent countries that took resources and energy but did not return very much at all except complaints about this and that triviality.

The commies were certainly not ideal, but there were no billionaires... power was certainly abused, but the average person got a relatively comfortable life out of it.

It is not the best society but it was far from being the worst.

It seems to me that the inevidable conclusion of consumerism leaves western countries the way they are headed... buy buy buy... but to be affordable everything needs to be made by the third world or a slave class that is not paid for their work. The result is the huge middle class the US was so damn proud of is disappearing into trailer parks... the few rich are getting obscenely rich and the middle class and the poor just get poorer... how is that going to end? Probably with the rich fleeing to a country where the local infrastructure is not collapsing around them.

ALAMO wrote:
What might be unusual - and maybe this is what you meant - is that the strike was delivered with two Iskanders. That would be a rare case, thy usually don't waste two good missiles where one is enough. Looks like they considered this target juicy enough.

They seem content to expend them on taking out patriot batteries, I don't see why using ten of them in a single strike on something with actual combat value would be unusual.

Seem to happen more often. Better intel from the involuntary soldiers?




Whilst at least one bunker got hit in Lvov, not sure if this was it.




Tony
@Cyberspec1

A hotel has been destroyed in Krivoy Rog, where, according to preliminary information, members of Ukrainian formations and foreigners were accommodated....there are also reports that the city airport was also targeted

The night combined attack with the use of kamikaze UAVs, cruise and hypersonic missiles on targets in Ukraine lasted more than 9 hours. Air raid alerts are currently being cleared.

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04-09-2024 • briefing of the Russian Ministry of Defense

- The Russian Armed Forces carried out a group strike, including with Kinzhal missiles and UAVs, on defense industry enterprises in Lvov; the targets were hit.

Seem to happen more often. Better intel from the involuntary soldiers?

Some sources claim that each Artillery Brigade has now a detachment of Iskanders.
Which means more direct control of that strike asset by commanders on the tactical level.

Тоби айоделе -Tboy
@TobiAyodele
The night turned out to be unusually productive and eventful.

Among other things, the Ukrainian air defense system in Sumy Oblast was quietly and routinely hit, and the locations of manpower deployment were also hit in Lviv and Krivoy Rog.
It is noteworthy that the enemy's Jesuit tactics of placing military facilities in city centers for some reason stopped working, for some reason this fact upsets them very much.

higurashihougi wrote:

lyle6 wrote:Your beloved Bolsheviks caused the collapse of Russia in the first place - not once, but twice in 80 years. They didnt save anyone. Incompetent mass murdering retards.

.... Russia inside the USSR created the superpower that challenged US hegemony.....

That "superpower" collapsed like a overloaded public toilet and had to crawl on it's knees before US hegemony and beg for food

Putin himself was in charge of distributing expired chicken legs to the starving gopniks