Some sources say dozens of Ukrainian soldiers died. Some sources say hundreds.
Many nazis are upset that so many highly trained specialists were allowed to be together at one time.... these are experts in radar and drone operations as well as EW specialists. There was talk that a few HATO officers were there including at least one from Sweden.
NATO is a hostile offensive alliance -
It is also pretty ineffective and corrupt and bloated and tends to do more damage to its members than any large country it has ever taken on.
Russia couldn't ignore it if it was actually effective, but it isn't. It is an old boys club to make sure more countries buy US crap they wouldn't otherwise even consider buying.
It is the US doing to Europe what Europe did to Africa.
As increased energy costs bite and the loss of trade from American sanctions their quality of life will suffer, and this is at a time when they have emptied their store of weapons accumulated over the decades and now they need a massive reequipment to replace the old with new and pretty much upgrade everything which is going to be enormously expensive... and it wont be made in Europe because their energy costs are too high...
Windfall for US MIC owners and shareholders, but it is a disease across the board in the west.
During the Early to mid 2000s all the money being made went to shareholders and bonuses for CEOs... holidays and expensive houses and yachts were bought with new money.
In Russia all that extra money went into new tooling and upgrading factories and buying new technologies while the west was selling it.... the result is that the Russians are in a much better place now and good decisions means their future looks good too.
They can modify some of their industry to consume the gas that the west no longer wants to buy... cheap energy is good for Russia too... selling cheap to Europe to get European currency so they can buy food no longer applies... Euros and US dollars are no longer useful or needed, so cheaper energy for local businesses makes more sense.
When this conflict ends what are the chances of European companies quietly setting up factories in Russia near raw materials and running on cheap energy to make European goods...
I hope Russia does not let them do that.
By this time Ukrainian people have realized that the NATO dream is a piece of crap already, and what prevent them from act is the military dictatorship of Zelensky imposing over their head.
They might never realise this, but that is not Russias problem.... Ukraine essentially closed the border with Russia and tried to cancel Russian language and culture and religion, and even to this day they fight to have Russia and Russians banned everywhere.... Russia does not need to fix them, just respect their wall and put up your own defences and trade with the rest of the world.... there are plenty of countries that want to trade with Russia in a free and fair and open way where Russia does not act like a colonial power like western countries do... demanding law changes and concessions to be made etc etc.
When a NATO puppet gets in, they abuse the system to make sure no other non-NATO puppet gets power again. They copy paste themselves as false opposition and then your options in a "democracy" are essentially all the same people.
When the people have really had enough and realise the promises are all empty then there will be change.
The Crimea was not a case of Putin going in and saving those people... those people organised themselves and saved themselves and then invited the Russians in to ensure peace and no strikes from Kiev while they had their referendum.
In the end, NATO and its people will break every single rule there is and they will always find a way to install their puppet.
You make it sound like they never fail and never lose.
Internationally they are losing now and when the real cost in terms of bodies in Ukrainian graves becomes known there is going to be backlashes in a lot of places... there are already political backlashes in Germany and France, and of course Turkey actually looks like it is wanting to change sides by joining BRICS. Hungary also is not doing as it is told, like the current pro west Georgian government.
They are learning that being pro west is not enough, you have to be a blind slave that does exactly what they are told and volunteer to be cannon fodder if the US so wishes.
Finland initially written that they would never join NATO. Then when they did, they said they would never host NATO soldiers in their country. Then they did. Now they say they will never host Nuclear Weapons........ Get my point?
Political decisions made by politicians and not the people. The ramifications of cutting themselves off from Russia is going to cost them and there was pride in being neutral too that should not be ignored.
Listen to Swiss officials claiming they are still neutral even though they join western sanctions... it is important to some of them.
When Russia has started IRBM and IRCM production they can talk about all the targets these weapons will be aimed at and those listed will start to understand the effects of their change in stance that they were not consulted about.
As things start to bite a more sober assessment of what they have done is likely to lead to changes I suspect... if joining HATO was supposed to make either country safer then it has done the opposite.
I rather suspect the reality is that the EU and HATO did what they always do... it is us or them and you have to pick and so of course losing trade with Russia is the lessor of the two evils compared with losing trade with the west.
Pretty shitty thing to do though.
So Russia has no choice really. Either take entirety of Ukraine or the parts that actually matter and rule it, along with making sure the people understand what is happening, or the other option is far worst.
I agree, but way before Russian armoured troops approach HATO borders and Moldova borders the Kiev regime and military will have collapsed and then it will be a case of collecting up their weapons and processing them looking for war criminals and then keeping the peace while referendums on the future of Ukraine and its people is decided by the people.
The referendum will include all the options that Russia finds acceptable and the people can choose.
Look at Armenia now? They will be used as a springboard against Russia.
If Armenias loyalty to Russia can be so easily washed away then what value was there there in the first place?
If the current guy owned by the west retains power in the next election then it is the peoples choice and the west is welcome to them.
Honestly Russia has no land borders with Armenia and the only allies with borders with Armenia would be Iran and Turkey and Azerbaijan... which all seem able to cooperate and trade with Russia, but Armenia has problems.
Well, I understand the US is interested, but probably more for use against Iran than for use against Russia.
And they have countless examples of why NATO is bad. All the while, they agreed to work with Pashinyan, who is destroying Armenia. No matter the education and institutions there, they ended up a NATO proxy.
If the people of Armenia don't care enough to do anything about it then why should Russia care.
It is the same with the situation in NK... if Armenia does not recognise it as Armenian then what is Russia supposed to do about it?
NATO and its people will always find a way to install their puppet, but it is your talent to determine that whether they can get a foothold in your country.
It costs big money to do what the west does, so the sooner the US dollar collapses the better...