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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed Aug 21, 2024 7:20 pm

    Arrow wrote:https://t.me/RVvoenkor/75342

    Arrow my man, can I ask one small favor when you post a telegram link? I don't really like telegram so could you tell us what's in the link in case we want to get into it at a later time? It would be greatly appreciated.

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    Post  Isos Wed Aug 21, 2024 7:56 pm

    That incursion in Kursk is a benediction. They loose a shit ton of equipement there for free. When you think thry are dumb to go on the ground, they surprise you by going in the air too.

    Let's wait for the video.

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    Post  Regular Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:30 pm

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    https://x.com/gnovosibir79446/status/1826323886507540715?s=46

    Kursk being reversed

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    Post  mnztr Wed Aug 21, 2024 9:59 pm

    billybatts91 wrote:This is the result of when you let NATO cross all your red lines and you do nothing about it...


    I guess we know what happens when a missile designed to take down a jet fighter hits a cessna full of gas. What a Face

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Aug 21, 2024 10:04 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:
    Pic: composite armour at the front and the sides of Abrams, but not on the top and rear. It is suitable for conventional warfare when the enemy artillery is weak.

    However, Abrams turret is too heavy. With the additional of Trophy, that means the turret coulld lost the balance due to weight and unable to rotate.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Aug 21, 2024 10:12 pm

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    In a war of attrition, the objective is to exhaust the adversary. Any territorial conquest comes after that as well-defended defensive lines are costly to break in terms of manpower and equipment
    - The journalists who have reported on a stagnant conflict and celebrated whenever Ukraine goes on the offensive (and often enters into artillery pockets) are obsessed with territory
    - After exhausting the Ukrainian military, Russia opened another front in Kharkov to further stretch the depleted Ukrainian army
    - Ukraine's Kursk offensive is a risky move because it predictably comes at an extremely high price as men and machines are destroyed in the open and without reliable supply lines, and the territory cannot be held. These troops could have been used to defend crumbling frontlines in Donbas
    - It is nearly impossible to make this argument in the West as the journalists and public have been trained to clap as seals every time Ukraine conquers territory. This is mandatory to display loyalty and proof of being "pro-Ukrainian". Dissent is immediately denounced as "Russian propaganda" and punished with high social costs
    - Zelensky has wasted many troops on PR battles, yet it is not entirely his fault as the PR stunts are necessary to acquire attention and more weapons from the West as our politicians and public get excited every time Ukraine acquires some territory
    - The assumption is that Russia will be demoralised and make great concessions if it loses some territory. But Russia considers NATO expansion to be an existential threat and can therefore not stand down before Ukrainian neutrality is restored. As NATO rejects any negotiations on NATO expansion, the only path for Russia to achieve its objective is attrition warfare. Yes, this war is also a territorial conflict now, although that is a symptom of the failure of a diplomatic path to end NATO expansionism. This should all be obvious, but it is not permitted to state the obvious anymore as it is criminalised as "legitimising" the Russian invasion
    - If we survive this proxy war with Russia (not a certainty as we keep escalating against the world's largest nuclear power), we should reflect on how our sloganeering, war propaganda and censorship have crippled our ability to conduct rational analysis required to maximise security
    - Anyways, the attrition war has already entered a new stage as the Ukrainian army has been exhausted and the frontlines are collapsing without much resistance.

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    Post  billybatts91 Wed Aug 21, 2024 10:17 pm

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    Post  Regular Wed Aug 21, 2024 11:24 pm

    mnztr wrote:
    I guess we know what happens when a missile designed to take down a jet fighter hits a cessna full of gas. What a Face

    It’s in Murmansk, so not much fuel left. It’s was loaded with explosives. If it was lifted from Finland or Estonia, even less so.

    By the way, another vehicle spotted in Kursk. BTR-D study

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Aug 22, 2024 12:51 am

    Russians continue to advance in Pokrovsk russia

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Aug 22, 2024 12:55 am

    Regular wrote:I think Estonians let Ukrainians use their airspace for small  suicide drones.

    In which case, Russia should use Estonian landmarks for munitions testing. Its only fair... Twisted Evil

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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Aug 22, 2024 1:35 am

    Russian units involved in fighting in  Kursk per Viktor Murakhovskiy
    https://t.me/Viktor_Murakhovskiy/673

    155 обрмп
    ВКС омсп
    346 мсп(то)
    22 мсп
    1009 мсп(то)
    232 мсп
    9 мсп
    1434 мсп(то)
    204 омпсн
    часть сил 200 омсбр(а)
    810 обрмп
    30 мсп
    272 мсп
    488 мсп
    часть сил 15 омсбр
    часть сил 2 обрсн
    1428 мсп(то)

    БР - brigade
    П - regiment
    МП - marine infantry
    СН - special forces

    So, 2 marine brigades, regiment and part of brigade of special units, interestingly, separate RuAF motorized rifle regiment ( fighting around Korenevo- someone here mixed them up for VDV), rest are motorized rifle regiments or parts of moto rifle brigades (arty, tanks).

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    Post  franco Thu Aug 22, 2024 2:55 am

    A lot of those units have only a battalion present so far. The 204th and the 1434th regiments are the Chechen units. The 22nd regiment is the third regiment of the new 72nd Division and has just entered the zone.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Aug 22, 2024 7:48 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    Arrow my man, can I ask one small favor when you post a telegram link? I don't really like telegram so could you tell us what's in the link in case we want to get into it at a later time? It would be greatly appreciated.

    It is the destruction of a small commercial plane converted to a drone in the Murmansk region.
    Speculations revealed that it was released from either Finland or Estonia.

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    Post  nomadski Thu Aug 22, 2024 8:05 am

    JohninMK wrote:In a war of attrition, the objective is to exhaust the adversary. Any territorial conquest comes after that as well-defended defensive lines are costly to break in terms of manpower and equipment...

    Yes I hear people saying the same thing . But these arguments have their limits , and each specific circumstance must be considered separately . As an example : Think about a country at war , importing all or most of it's goods through a single Sea port . Then capturing this port  ( territorial gain ) in a war of attrition , will speed along the defeat of their military . Even in a war of attrition , the capture of strategic targets of military importance , despite the sacrifice , is well worth it . Also a proxy army that relies on using a few men , but a lot of high tech , long range weapons , will not be sensitive to the local population being decimated . Any political objections or practical problems of recruitment , brought about by attrition , have minimal impact . Another sort of war is needed against the proxy backers . Etc.

    The drone war is here to stay , a new form of warfare , at least until satellites are taken out . Russia has had many oil refineries and storage and some airfields and Radar attacked in this way . Using missiles is very expensive and not justified economically in all cases . Using AAA and training becomes important . In video posted of drone plane destroyed over northern Russia ( probably launched from NATO territory ) , I saw no tracer rounds . Tracer rounds help a lot in hitting these slow targets . That and training . If drones launched from NATO territory , without them claiming responsibility , then mirror response is best . It is a question of who will drop the veil of plausible deniability first . Open warfare !

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    Post  Arrow Thu Aug 22, 2024 9:01 am

    There are rumors that Russia is preparing to strike Ukrainian government targets in the coming days.However, this is very unlikely.


    https://lostarmour.info/news/boi-konopelka-zogrussia-9995

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    Post  billybatts91 Thu Aug 22, 2024 9:41 am

    Arrow wrote:There are rumors that Russia is preparing to strike Ukrainian government targets in the coming days.However, this is very unlikely.


    https://lostarmour.info/news/boi-konopelka-zogrussia-9995

    With Putin as leader? No such thing will happen...I expect Ukraine to hit Russian government buildings before Vlad does a goddamn thing...

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Aug 22, 2024 11:37 am

    🇷🇺🇺🇦The first American M1A1 Abrams tank of the Ukrainian army was destroyed in the Kursk direction.

    This was stated today by the commander of the special forces unit "Akhmat" Apti Alaudinov.

    There have been no previous reports of American tanks being used by the invading forces.

    https://t.me/intelslava/65398

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Aug 22, 2024 11:53 am

    Probably getting closer to the actual number

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    Post  franco Thu Aug 22, 2024 11:57 am

    There are 541,600 military personnel of the Russian Armed Forces in the zone of the special military operation in Ukraine. Such data are provided by Ukrainian sources. According to their estimates, the most numerous is the Russian group of troops “Dnepr”, which numbers 130 thousand military personnel.

    The second place in terms of the number of military personnel, according to enemy data, is occupied by the “South” group of troops, which includes 114 thousand soldiers and officers performing combat missions. The group of troops “Center”, numbering 87 thousand military personnel, closes the top three in this indicator.

    According to enemy estimates, the smallest number of Russian military personnel is the cover group for the Crimea Peninsula, which includes 13,500 military personnel.

    Let us recall that some time ago in Kyiv they announced that by the end of the year the number of Russian military personnel in the zone of military operations in Ukraine could be increased to 800 thousand people. According to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, at present, the bulk of the Russian military contingent consists of persons who voluntarily entered into a contract to serve in the Northern Military District zone.

    Let us add that Ukraine currently has a total mobilization regime, which allows TCC employees to detain men on the streets, in public transport and catering establishments. In addition, employees of territorial recruitment centers often even break into the homes of Ukrainians. However, despite all these measures, the military command of Ukraine is unable to seriously replenish the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    Moreover, after the new law on mobilization in Ukraine came into force, the male population of the country is trying to go abroad en masse.

    https://topcor-ru.translate.goog/50792-na-ukraine-chislennost-rossijskih-vojsk-v-zone-svo-ocenili-v-541600-chelovek.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 22, 2024 12:06 pm

    There are rumors that Russia is preparing to strike Ukrainian government targets in the coming days.However, this is very unlikely.

    If Russia was going to do that do you think there would be any rumours at all?

    Rumours of the Nazi summer offensive last year led to a real success... improved by the negative comments by Kievs forces about the defence lines being built that turned out to be rather effective in practise.

    I would say such rumours will be getting put out by Kiev so that in a couple of days they can say... See... Putin didn't follow through on what he said he would do... ignoring the fact that he never said any such thing in the first place.

    Moreover, after the new law on mobilization in Ukraine came into force, the male population of the country is trying to go abroad en masse.

    Just so ironic that the safest place they could run to would be Russia...

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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Aug 22, 2024 12:44 pm

    https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1035136024982575&set=a.805670517929128

    Picture: Ukrainian forces estimate that Russian forces in the SVO is about 541000 troops.

    At the same time, each mobilization event, the Kiev forces abducted 500000 people from their population.

    At the Kursk region, Ukraine claimded to maintain the ratio 2 to 1 against Russia. Most of Ukrainian forces there was well-equipped mechanized forces, similar to the last summer offensive, but still lower than Ukrainian Sumy offensive in 2002 when they managed to get the ratio of 5 to 1 at the specific sector.

    However, the problem for Ukraine is that they can never replace the casualties inflicted to their most elite units. For example, the infamous 47th brigade after training was immediately threw into the battle and now is still stuck at the frontline. Ukrainian forces could never replace the casualties of these elite forces by the innocent civillian that they vulgarly abducted during the so-called "mobilization".

    As a result, the heavy casualties in Kursk worsen Ukrainian situation as most of the casualties are elite and special troops. Not to mention that Ukraine kept sending special forces for suicide missions at Crimea.

    In the past, Hitler attempted to exploited some success in Kavkaz as he failed to took Moskva. Today, Zelensky attempts to get something at Kursk as he failed to attack Crimea. Therefore, Zelensky's fate will be no different than Hitler's fate.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Aug 22, 2024 1:11 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Probably getting closer to the actual number


    This number is slightly too low in my opinion, but the real one won't be much better - I would say it is around 20 mln.
    "Funny" fact is, that under the rules of freedoms, democracy, and superb western values halving the population in 3 decades is nothing unusual.
    It happened in all Pribaltic countries.
    Russkie just helped the ukrs to "westernize" faster, as they fell behind if compared to the Wonderlands losing only 10 mln people by 2014 Laughing

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    Just so ironic that the safest place they could run to would be Russia...


    It is impossible.
    Russia has left only one border checkpoint where Ukrainians can pass the control - it is Sheremetevo airport. Every single one is being extensively questioned, including physical check of all electronic devices. FSB is checking all social media activities, and acting accordingly. Ukrs that were jumping on Maidan or published dumb comments about the events are just sended back.

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    Post  franco Thu Aug 22, 2024 1:25 pm

    Read somewhere (cannot locate now) in the past 24 hours where a Russian writer compared the fighting in Kursk to Robotyne in 2023 where the Ukrainians kept sending waves of attackers to get slaughtered by the Russian forces.
    As the British Army once reported in fighting Napoleons Grand Army, "they kept coming in the same old way and we kept killing them the same old way."

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    Post  franco Thu Aug 22, 2024 1:45 pm

    Russian MoD reporting 2425 Ukrainian casualties over the past 24 hours including...

    Summary of the Russian Ministry of Defense on the progress of repelling the attempted invasion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine into the territory of the Russian Federation (as of August 22, 2024)

    The Armed Forces continue to repel the attempted invasion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine into the territory of the Russian Federation.

    The units of the North group of forces, with the support of army aviation and artillery fire, repelled attacks by enemy assault groups in the direction of the settlements of Komarovka and Malaya Loknya, and also thwarted attempts to attack in the direction of Korenevo, Kremyanoye, Martynovka, Olgovka and Russian Porechnoye.

    As a result, the AFU lost more than 45 people killed and wounded, destroyed: a tank and 4 armored combat vehicles.

    Reconnaissance and search operations are continuing to identify and destroy enemy sabotage groups in the forests that tried to penetrate deep into Russian territory. An enemy sabotage and reconnaissance group from the 82nd Airborne Assault Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was discovered and destroyed in a forest 1 km south-west of the village of Skrylivka. Two armored combat vehicles and 7 military personnel were destroyed, one was captured.

    Air strikes, artillery fire and military actions defeated concentrations of manpower and equipment of the 22nd and 115th mechanized, 82nd airborne assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the areas of the settlements of Apanasovka, Borki, Vishnevka, Gordeyevka, Mikhailovka, Plekhovo, Snagost and Loknya.

    Tactical air strikes were carried out on the areas of concentration of personnel and military equipment of reserves in the Sumy region: 22nd, 41st and 61st mechanized, 80th and 82nd airborne assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 1st National Guard Brigade, 103rd, 106th, 107- the 11th and 119th air Defense brigades, as well as the 69th infantry battalion in the areas of the settlements of Basovka, Boyar-Lezhachi, Vorozhba, Druzhba, Zhuravka, Krasnopolye, Katerinovka, Miropolskoye, Loknya, Obody, Pervomayskoye, Sumy, Starikovo and Chernevoye.

    During the day, the losses of the Armed Forces amounted to more than 300 soldiers and 23 armored vehicles, including three tanks, twenty armored combat vehicles, as well as one artillery piece and 15 vehicles.

    In total, during the fighting in the Kursk direction, the enemy lost more than 4,700 soldiers, 68 tanks, 27 infantry fighting vehicles, 53 armored personnel carriers, 336 armored combat vehicles, 148 vehicles, 32 artillery pieces, five anti-aircraft missile systems, ten multiple launch rocket launchers, including three HIMARS MLRS and one MLRS, six electronic warfare stations, four units of engineering equipment, including two engineering barrier vehicles and one UR-77 mine clearance unit.

    The operation to destroy the AFU formations continues.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12526292@egNews

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Aug 22, 2024 1:49 pm

    🇷🇺🚗 Russian Proryv tank is much better than Western ones — head of Rostec

    The Russian tank "Proryv" (lit. - breakthrough) is head and shoulders above the American Abrams, the British Challenger and the German Leopard, said Sergey Chemezov, head of Russia’s state arms manufacturer, Rostec. He added that foreign customers are well aware of this.

    In particular, the American Abrams tank and a dozen units of other Ukrainian equipment were hit in the Kursk region today, Apty Alaudinov, commander of the Akhmat special forces, said. 

    Russia President Vladimir Putin, commenting on the Russian Proryv tank, said:

    "We can now say with 100% certainty that the T-90 Proryv is the best tank in the world. Once it gets into position, there is nothing anyone can do."

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