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    Post  Backman Sat Aug 31, 2024 2:48 am

    There has been some back and forth on what happened to Kursk and why. Alex Macouris has a source inside Russia who was saying that Russia kinda let it happen. He wasn't agreeing with it , but was just passing it on.

    I think the Kursk attack serves to further erase the legitimacy of the border between Ukraine and Russia. Before the Kursk attack, Ukraine could play the holy grail card about how the border was sacred and Russia violated that border. But now Ukraine did the same thing. So playing the border card doesn't hold any weight anymore. Both sides have blatantly violated the border.

    Eventually in the future, this will have to be resolved. And from a legalistic standpoint, Russia will use this Kursk invasion against Ukraine in the settlement. I am really not intending this to be cope. The attack is embarrassing. But I do believe the Russian state does cynical things for its long term aims. Not on the same level as the US and UK. But still cynical.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:43 am

    Did all the border locating get all the way through the legal process?
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    Post  franco Sat Aug 31, 2024 7:34 am

    Russian MoD reporting 2425 Ukrainian casualties over the past 24 hours including...

    Summary of the Russian Ministry of Defense on the progress of repelling the attempted invasion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine into the territory of the Russian Federation in the Kursk region (as of August 31, 2024)

    Units of the North group of forces, with the support of army aviation and artillery fire, repelled six attacks by enemy assault groups in the direction of the settlements of Borki, Bakhtinka, Komarovka, Malaya Loknya and Matveevka.

    In addition, attempts to attack AFU units in the direction of Korenevo and Malaya Loknya were thwarted. The enemy lost up to 30 people killed and wounded, two armored combat vehicles and two cars were destroyed. One Ukrainian serviceman surrendered.

    Reconnaissance and search operations are continuing to destroy enemy sabotage groups in the forests.

    Air strikes, artillery fire and military actions defeated the concentrations of manpower and equipment identified during the day by the 21st, 22nd, 61st and 115th mechanized, 82nd airborne assault brigades and the 1004th security and support brigade in the areas of the settlements of Apanasovka, Borki, Byakhovo, Vishnevka, Krasnooktyabrskoye, Krugleniye, Lyubimovka, Martynovka, Novoivanovka, Novaya Sorochina, Plekhovo, Cherkasskoye Porechnoye, Russian Porechnoye, Sverdlikovo and Snagost.

    Tactical air strikes were carried out in the Sumy region on the areas of concentration of personnel and military equipment of the reserves of the 21st, 22nd and 41st mechanized, 17th tank, 80th and 95th airborne assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the 1st brigade of the National Guard, as well as the 101st, 103rd, 107th, 119th and 129th air defense brigades in the areas of the settlements of Belopolye, Glukhov, Kiyanitsa, Obody, Svessa, Sosnovka, Sumy, Shalimovka, Shalygino and Esman.

    During the day, the losses of the Armed Forces amounted to 400 soldiers and 18 armored vehicles, including a tank, three armored personnel carriers and 14 armored combat vehicles, as well as three artillery pieces, three mortars, an electronic warfare station and 7 vehicles.

    In total, during the fighting in the Kursk direction, the enemy lost more than 8,200 soldiers, 76 tanks, 36 infantry fighting vehicles, 67 armored personnel carriers, 521 armored combat vehicles, 242 vehicles, 56 artillery pieces, 16 multiple rocket launchers, including four HIMARS MLRS and two MLRS manufactured by the United States, five anti-aircraft guns missile systems, 12 electronic warfare stations, one counter-battery radar, an air defense radar, five units of engineering equipment, including two engineering barrier vehicles and one UR-77 mine clearance unit.

    The operation to destroy the AFU formations continues.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12527439@egNews

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    Post  franco Sat Aug 31, 2024 9:31 am

    Le Monde: Russia has developed a unique military economy to sustain a prolonged conflict

    ▪According to an analysis by the French newspaper Le Monde, Russia’s military economy is structured in a way that allows it to maintain the war effort for another 5-6 years, a feat that Ukraine is unlikely to match.

    ▪The report highlights that Russia has built an economic model where military expenditures, payments to contract soldiers, and benefits to the families of the fallen drive economic growth. In 2023 alone, nearly 400,000 Russians signed military contracts, and the increasing payments to volunteers and contract soldiers make military service more “profitable” for the families of the deceased.

    ▪Economist Vladislav Inozemtsev notes that Russia continues to be the largest exporter of raw materials, providing the Kremlin with the necessary funds to sustain the war. However, the article warns of potential risks, such as the exhaustion of labor reserves and production capacities. Nonetheless, this economic model gives Russia the ability to prolong the conflict far longer than Ukraine can manage.

    - RVvoenkor

    https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1829836251224010845

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Aug 31, 2024 10:47 am

    Does that look like it trying to hide under smoke?

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    Post  kvs Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:00 am

    Le Monde is like all the other NATzO fake stream media, full of shit. Russia does not have a "war economy" by any economic metric. So the 5-6 years estimate
    is a turd ball that has not relevance to reality.

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    Post  franco Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:13 am

    kvs wrote:Le Monde is like all the other NATzO fake stream media, full of shit.   Russia does not have a "war economy" by any economic metric.  So the 5-6 years estimate
    is a turd ball that has not relevance to reality.  


    Say it like you really mean it Very Happy

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    Post  Backman Sat Aug 31, 2024 2:57 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Did all the border locating get all the way through the legal process?

    Im guessing you're asking if the Ukr border had any legitimacy before. The answer to that would have to be yes. The Ukraine declared independence in 1991. The border for all intents and purposes was no different than any other border in Europe legal wise.


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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Sat Aug 31, 2024 2:58 pm





    Poland Will Not Shoot Down Russian Missiles from Its Territory, and Will Not Train Ukrainians in Ukraine.


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    The awful side of the story is that the Ukrainians might still get trained in Poland, which had already been done in the past.



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    Post  Hole Sat Aug 31, 2024 3:29 pm

    Nonetheless, this economic model gives Russia the ability to prolong the conflict far longer than Ukraine can manage.
    "Ukraine" = the whole of NATO.

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    Post  Scorpius Sat Aug 31, 2024 7:39 pm

    For all the drama queens who continue their speeches about crossing the Russian border here. There is well-known information in the public domain that a battalion-sized military unit is required to advance along the front on ONE kilometer. For the minimum possible resistance to this, you need to have at least 1/3 of the number of attackers on the defensive side. Thus, for the MINIMUM possible resistance on the border, it is required to constantly keep at least one battalion for every three kilometers. The length of the land border between Russia and Ukraine is 1974 kilometers according to the latest data I know. That's 658 battalions, or almost 400,000 soldiers, excluding their regular replacements and reinforcements that you have to keep on the border. I hope you finally realize the absolute stupidity of your statements.


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    JohninMK wrote:Did all the border locating get all the way through the legal process?

    Im guessing you're asking if the Ukr border had any legitimacy before. The answer to that would have to be yes. The Ukraine declared independence in 1991. The border for all intents and purposes was no different than any other border in Europe legal wise.

    The answer to the question is NO. Ukraine has not carried out the procedure of demarcation of borders with Russia.

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    Post  nomadski Sat Aug 31, 2024 10:05 pm

    Yup ! Makes sense . Vast lands . To protect border , one needs : ( 1 ) Tripwire , this consists of ground troops and sensors. Troops ( a few observers ) at 1 km intervals , listening devices , ground vibration alarms , binoculars , night vision etc . ( 2 ) Airborne troops with man portable weapons .

    Going along Roads are too slow . Enemy already inside borders . Needs planes to fly fast and drop paratroopers . How far away from hot zone can parachute be deployed ? Aircraft away from AD ? A human version of FAB ? Need maybe 10,000 men , to slow advance , before ground troops arrive .




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    Post  MMBR Sun Sep 01, 2024 12:07 am

    Most likely, the village of Dolinovka has also been liberated; the Nazis would not have abandoned Galitsynovka without a flank attack from the western side... It's just that the front is collapsing so quickly now that no one knows where it will all end. The fields are simply strewn with retreating Ukrainian infantry...

    From Slavyangrad

    Sounds like a rout!

    Also from Slavyangrad

    Lies, lies and more lies!" - why the Ukrainian Armed Forces' defence near Pokrovsk is collapsing

    The famous Ukrainian neo-Nazi S. Sternenko commented on the disengagement of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Pokrovsk direction, where the "Center" group of troops is advancing:

    The defence is so disorganized that the Russians themselves do not believe in their own progress.

    The high command is still receiving reports about a “controlled situation” that is far from being controlled.

    Among the main problems in this direction:
    ➖ Poor interaction between teams and related units.
    ➖shortage of people and their disproportionate distribution among defence positions.
    ➖ Our electronic warfare suppresses our drones better than hostile electronic warfare.
    ➖ Lack of organization of brigade rotations. One is retreating before the other one has entered. The enemy takes advantage of this and attacks exactly there.
    ➖ The HQ command does not actually control the troops, has not established interaction and does not have information about our real positions. There are often cases of sending units to positions that are already behind the Russians because the HQ believes that they are behind us.

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    Post  higurashihougi Sun Sep 01, 2024 1:25 am

    https://www.facebook.com/K01Archive/posts/pfbid0BtmAX1wiTJGsqJtkHnwNzJ5PcN2mqixgNZLQMMazZaHQDUUDQi7xXVybhQXnGLVfl

    Picture: the territories that Russia gained in the Pokrovsk direction from 1 to 31 Aug 2024, roughly during the time Ukraine launched the Kursk offensive.

    Meanwhile, in Kursk, Russia managed to identified the identity of 600 Ukrainian KIAs and 60 Ukrainian POWs. The Ukrainian losses in Kursk is estimated to be at least 3000 people, i.e. 3 normal bigrades or similar to the whole 82nd Airbone Brigade. Ukrainian losses in material is also equal to 3 brigades, not mentioning the losses during maneuver of the units.

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    Post  Arrow Sun Sep 01, 2024 2:18 am

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    Residents of the Tver region are publishing photos and videos of a major fire at the Konakovskaya GRES. According to eyewitnesses, the fire started after a drone attack.

    There is no official information yet.

    A Ukrainian drone allegedly hit the Konakovskaya State District Power Plant in the Tver Region.

    Residents of nearby areas reported hearing the characteristic sound of a drone, then several bangs and a fire.

    Earlier, Sobyanin reported that the UAV was shot down as it approached Moscow - in Odintsovo in the Leninsky urban district.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun Sep 01, 2024 3:09 am

    Any attacks deep into Russia on places like power plants, I don't think will work out well for Ukraine.

    Many pro-Russian channels like the Duran etc have even reported how Putin is keeping a tight hold on the military holding them back, there are many hardliners in russia who want him to stop this.

    Such attacks will only make those hardliners gain more and more support and eventually Putin will not be able to keep his foot on the gas it might also even finally convince Putin that his soft approach just has only emboldened Ukraine

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    Post  Arrow Sun Sep 01, 2024 3:13 am

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Sun Sep 01, 2024 3:33 am

    Oil refinery in Moscow also on fire after drone strike.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Sun Sep 01, 2024 3:39 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Any attacks deep into Russia on places like power plants, I don't think will work out well for Ukraine.

    Many pro-Russian channels like the Duran etc have even reported how Putin is keeping a tight hold on the military holding them back, there are many hardliners in russia who want him to stop this.

    Such attacks will only make those hardliners gain more and more support and eventually Putin will not be able to keep his foot on the gas it might also even finally convince Putin that his soft approach just has only emboldened Ukraine

    It is difficult to understand what Putin thinks he and Russia will gain from this soft approach. I personally cannot think of any benefits. I don't buy the idea of BRICS telling Russia to show restraint. Why would they do that? My gut feeling is that this is because of Putin's personal maybe religious ideology. If that's the case then Russia is paying a helluva big price for its leaders personal beliefs. Putin was not this soft on Chechens 25 years ago. Something has changed since then.


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    Post  ucmvulcan Sun Sep 01, 2024 3:41 am

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    It is difficult to understand what Putin thinks he and Russia will gain from this soft approach. I personally cannot think of any benefits. I don't buy the idea of BRICS telling Russia to show restraint. Why would they do that? My gut feeling is that this is because of Putin's personal maybe religious ideology. If that's the case then Russia is paying s helluva big price for its leaders personal beliefs. Putin was not this soft on Chechens 25 years ago. Something has changed since then.

    okay someone get the raid because the cockroaches have all crawled out from under the fridge and the house is infested.


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun Sep 01, 2024 3:51 am



    "okay someone get the raid because the cockroaches have all crawled out from under the fridge and the house is infested"

    You are welcome to prove me wrong but you cannot, go see what people in the Russian Duma say, go see what these major pro russian Channel like the Duran, Alexander Mercouris which are channels you fan boys quote constantly have all reported on this also.

    Mevdev,

    in fact a russian ambassador recently in an interview even commented Putin was keeping things soft, one of the reasons he cited was China and India.

    Put your head in the sand all you want, throw childish remarks all you want, What I said ISN'T WRONG and is backed up by numerous sources.

    Or are you saying you know better then anyone else? fucking joke. Its just laughable and delusional how you and others think you know better then those in power or have much better sources, but yeah keep making these stupid ass remarks. Just shows how full of it you are
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun Sep 01, 2024 3:57 am

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Any attacks deep into Russia on places like power plants, I don't think will work out well for Ukraine.

    Many pro-Russian channels like the Duran etc have even reported how Putin is keeping a tight hold on the military holding them back, there are many hardliners in russia who want him to stop this.

    Such attacks will only make those hardliners gain more and more support and eventually Putin will not be able to keep his foot on the gas it might also even finally convince Putin that his soft approach just has only emboldened Ukraine

    It is difficult to understand what Putin thinks he and Russia will gain from this soft approach. I personally cannot think of any benefits. I don't buy the idea of BRICS telling Russia to show restraint. Why would they do that? My gut feeling is that this is because of Putin's personal maybe religious ideology. If that's the case then Russia is paying a helluva big price for its leaders personal beliefs. Putin was not this soft on Chechens 25 years ago. Something has changed since then.

    A Russian Ambassador did commit recently that one of the reasons was India and China aren't generally okay with the war, like they don't want Russia Annexing Ukraine, and this does make sense.

    The Chinese and Indians were pushing for peace talks really hard, so there is evidence that this remark is true and I also fail to see why the Ambassador would lie about this, as that would put be in a really bad position if he was, so really he had no reason to lie about it
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    Post  Kiko Sun Sep 01, 2024 4:22 am

    Dunno where to insert this so I'll put it here:

    Fled Liberals Repeat Traitors' Path, by Dmitry Gubin, political science, for VZGLYAD. 09.01.2024.

    Foreign agents are happy about the occupation of the Kursk region and are ready to rule there. If, of course, Zelensky allows it. After all, the Nazis at one time allowed traitors to rule the "Lokot Republic". For those traitors, it ended with executions, the current ones are counting on impunity, but in vain.

    Those who until recently proudly called themselves oppositionists have become not just traitors, but also epigones. Russian history has already seen this, and some will have to refresh their knowledge.

    Russian "oppositionist" Ilya Ponomarev* (included in the list of extremists and terrorists in the Russian Federation) called on Kiev to allow him to head alternative authorities in the Kursk region, controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. "If Ukraine allowed us to implement our ideas about creating authorities, then we would automatically receive political subjectivity not only within Russia. No one would be able to ignore us anymore, because the white-blue-white flag would be flying on the state administration buildings in the Kursk region " Ponomarev said in an interview with the Polish newspaper Rzeczpospolita.

    Journalist Sergei Parkhomenko* (foreign agent) believes that the attack of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the Kursk region will “benefit” the Russians.

    - Sergey, are you celebrating? Are you happy about the successes of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, tell me honestly? - foreign agent Farida Kurbangaleeva addressed Parkhomenko.

    - Yes, yes. To be honest, yes. It seems to me that this is a good, important factor," he replied. According to Parkhomenko, the Ukrainian Armed Forces militants are currently engaged in "important educational work with the Russian population ."


    The well-known former gallery owner Marat Gelman (foreign agent) also spoke about the possibility of creating alternative authorities in the Russian Federation if part of the Kursk region remains under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    Any victories of Ukraine are for the benefit of Russia. I am happy about the successes of the Ukrainian Armed Forces ," said comedian Viktor Shenderovich* (foreign agent) on the air of the Polish channel Belsat, which is focused on Belarus.

    So, they are happy about the occupation of Russian territory and are ready to rule there. If, of course, Zelensky allows it. After all, the Nazis at one time allowed a certain Voskoboinik and Kaminsky to lead the "Lokot Republic", organized under the control of the Nazi occupiers in 1941. The Lokot Autonomous Okrug was located on a territory of 10,300 km2 (several districts of the modern Bryansk, Oryol and Kursk regions). That is, close to the places where Ponomarev would now like to work. This autonomy, according to the plan of the organizers and curators in Berlin, was to serve as a testing ground for a possible Russian collaborationist government under the SS.

    True, the Fuhrer had already formed an opinion about the future, or rather the lack of a future, of Russian statehood and it has not changed. On July 16, 1941, at one of the meetings, Hitler said: “The creation of a military power west of the Urals should never again be on the agenda, even if we have to fight for it for a hundred years. The empire will only be safe if there are no foreign troops west of the Urals. Germany will take upon itself the defense of this area from all possible dangers.”

    In September 1941, after the retreat of the Red Army, Konstantin Voskoboinik began to create local government and local police units loyal to the Germans (Guderian's 2nd Tank Army). In January 1942, partisans destroyed him, and power passed to his deputy Bronislav Kaminsky. The units of armed traitors were reorganized into the "Russian Liberation People's Army" as part of the SS, and local propagandists began to call themselves the "People's Socialist Party of Russia."

    "Everyone who could, from the average policeman to Kaminsky himself, robbed the population... Usually, when it became known that a particular villager was in a partisan detachment or helping them, his family was robbed, everything was taken: cattle, poultry, food, and even clothing. All the things robbed from the population were stored in a special warehouse at Kaminsky's, who gave them to his confidants," one of the witnesses told investigators.

    After the expulsion of the occupiers from this territory, Kaminsky and his gang moved to the Lepel district of the Vitebsk region. Later, his people participated in the suppression of the Warsaw Uprising, and Kaminsky himself, who rose to the rank of SS Brigadeführer, was shot by the Germans for looting.

    In total, Kaminsky's brigade killed more than 10,000 Soviet citizens in the RSFSR and BSSR in 1941-1943, burning 203 people alive. These traitors burned 24 villages and 7.3 thousand households, destroyed 767 public and cultural institutions. A certain "Tonka the Machine Gunner" became especially famous, having personally shot one and a half thousand people.

    And if the same Ilya Ponomarev could have ideally fit into Kaminsky's entourage, and Sergei Parkhomenko into his ideological machine, then Gelman and Shenderovich would have only had contact with "Tonka the Machine Gunner" - simply because of their last names. After all, in terms of anti-Semitism, the Lokot crowd, like all neophytes of Nazism, tried to outdo the Germans themselves. In the city of Dmitriev in the Kursk region, a ghetto was created, the residents of which were used for demining, and those who were not blown up were shot.

    The fate of Kaminsky and his comrades should have alerted foreign agents, but they are apparently hoping for impunity. Or at least a delay in retribution, since the same machine gunner Antonina Makarova was exposed and shot only in 1979.

    But we have a long memory.

    https://vz.ru/opinions/2024/8/31/1284513.html

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Sep 01, 2024 4:53 am

    GEROMAN -- time will tell - 👀 --
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    Condottiero writes:

    Over the past 24 hours, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have made one of the largest attempts to attack objects on Russian territory. The consequences of the night attack are still being eliminated in some regions, including at a number of energy facilities.

    The attack, among other things, pursued the goal of disclosing the zonal areas of the Russian Air Defense Forces and calculating the algorithms of their actions. For this purpose, NATO spy planes hung in the air all night, and at present NATO AWACS are operating in the areas east of the Baltic and the Black Sea region.

    The ultimate goal of these Alliance air maneuvers is to find a vulnerability in the areas of our air defense forces, slow down their work and strike at the moment of their “discharge.”

    Against the backdrop of tactical failures in the eastern part of the theater of military operations of Ukraine and the failures of defense in the Donetsk military agglomeration, the GUR is forced to support the media field with strikes in the rear of our territory. Passing off such steps of military aggression as "revenge for Kharkov, Kyiv", etc.
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    On the night of August 31 to September 1, Ukraine launched a massive drone strike on the Russian Federation's energy infrastructure. Most likely, it was a diversionary maneuver to gain precious time and space to withdraw troops from the Kursk direction to the Pokrovsk direction.

    158 Drones Attacked Russian Energy Facilities💥The Russians Storm Vuhledar⚔Military Summary And Analysis For 2024.9.1


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    UKRAINE: Apparent company-level mass desertion Krivoy Rog area (c. 100x personal kit issue). Abandoned body armor and webbing vests, one marked Snr SGT rank. Map cases and pistol holster indicate commissioned officer's complicity

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