Russian special military operation in Ukraine #60

In August, Ukrainian nationalists lost more than 68 thousand servicemen in the zone of the special military operation of the Russian Federation. This follows from the official reports of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. The department emphasizes that the enemy suffered the most significant losses in manpower in the last week of August.

From the official reports of the Russian defense department it follows that in July of this year, the armed formations of the Kiev regime lost slightly more than 60 thousand servicemen in the SVO zone. Thus, over the two summer months, the nationalists lost more than 120 thousand soldiers and officers. For comparison, during last year's counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, according to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the nationalists lost about 116 thousand servicemen.

It is worth noting that the losses of the nationalists as a result of the military adventure in the Kursk region of the Russian Federation were also quite impressive. In less than a month of military actions in the Russian border area, the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost more than 8,200 personnel. In addition, as reported by the Russian Ministry of Defense, the Russian Armed Forces destroyed 942 units of military equipment in the Kursk region .

Kyiv regime militants lost 521 armored combat vehicles, 242 cars, 76 tanks, 67 armored personnel carriers and 36 infantry fighting vehicles - the Russian Defense Ministry emphasizes.

Let us recall that the Ukrainian Armed Forces group invaded the Kursk region on August 6. At the initial stage, the nationalists were able to occupy several dozen settlements, however, the approaching forces of the Russian army began to destroy the Ukrainian units. At present, the Russian military has managed to stabilize the front line in the border area and regain control over a number of settlements.

At the same time, Russian troops are conducting successful offensive operations in Donbass. Now they have already come close to a major logistics hub of the nationalists, the city of Pokrovsk. In the past week alone, the Russian Armed Forces liberated five settlements from the militants of the Kiev regime.

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Russian MoD reporting 2280 Ukrainian casualties over the past 24 hours including...

Summary of the Russian Ministry of Defense on the progress of repelling the attempted invasion of the Armed Forces of Ukraine into the territory of the Russian Federation in the Kursk region (as of September 1, 2024)

Units of the North group of forces, with the support of army aviation and artillery fire, repelled four attacks by enemy assault groups in the direction of the settlements of Korenevo and Alexandrovka.

In addition, three attempts of attacks in the direction of Nizhnyaya Parovaya and Pogrebki were thwarted during the day. As a result, the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost up to 30 people killed and wounded, two armored combat vehicles and two cars were destroyed. One soldier of the Armed Forces of Ukraine surrendered.

Air strikes, artillery fire and active actions of troops defeated concentrations of manpower and equipment of the 22nd, 61st and 115th mechanized, 80th and 82nd airborne assault, 152-th Jaeger brigades and the 1st brigade of the National Guard in the areas of the settlements of Apanasovka, Borki, Vishnevka, Gordeevka, Ivashkovsky, Lyubimovka, Lebedevka, Martynovka, Mikhailovka, Mirny, Novoivanovka, Obukhovka, Orlovka, Plekhovo, Cherkasskoye Porechnoye, Russian Porechnoye and Snagost.

Reconnaissance and search operations are continuing in the forests to identify and destroy enemy sabotage groups trying to penetrate deep into Russian territory.

Tactical air strikes were carried out in the Sumy region on the areas of concentration of personnel and military equipment of the reserves of the 21st, 22nd and 41st mechanized, 17th tank, 80th, 82nd and 95th airborne assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the 36th Marine Brigade, as well as the 103rd, 107th and 129th air defense brigades in the areas of the settlements of Belopolye, Boyar-Lezhichi, Glukhov, Luka, Obody, Orlovka, Svessa, Pershe Travnya, Sumy and Yunakovka.

During the day, the losses of the Armed Forces amounted to 360 servicemen and 23 armored vehicles, including four tanks, an infantry fighting vehicle, two armored personnel carriers and 16 armored combat vehicles, as well as 6 artillery pieces, including two Polish-made Krab self-propelled guns, three mortars, an electronic warfare station, an ANT/PQ counter-battery radar-50 made in the USA and 7 cars.

In total, during the fighting in the Kursk direction, the enemy lost more than 8,500 soldiers, 80 tanks, 37 infantry fighting vehicles, 69 armored personnel carriers, 537 armored combat vehicles, 249 vehicles, 62 artillery pieces, 16 multiple rocket launchers, including four HIMARS MLRS and two MLRS, five anti-aircraft missile systems, 13 electronic warfare stations, 6 counter-battery radars, air defense radars, 6 units of engineering equipment, including two engineering barrier vehicles and one UR-77 mine clearance unit.

The operation to destroy the AFU formations continues.

https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12527518@egNews

Statement by the Russian Ministry of Defense

During the past night, 158 Ukrainian aircraft-type UAVs were destroyed and intercepted by air defense systems on duty during an attempt by the Kiev regime to carry out a terrorist attack using unmanned aerial vehicles on objects on the territory of the Russian Federation.
-46 UAVs were destroyed and intercepted over the territory of the Kursk Region at night,
-34 over the territory of the Bryansk Region,
-28 over the territory of the Voronezh Region,
-14 over the territory of the Belgorod Region,
-eight over the territory of the Ryazan region,
-two over Moscow, seven over the Moscow Region,
-five over the territory of the Kaluga Region,
-four-over the territory of the Lipetsk region,
-three over the territory of the Tula region,
-two UAVs over the territories of the Tambov and Smolensk regions,
-one over the territories of the Orel, Tver and Ivanovo regions.

https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12527493@egNews

I think the Kursk attack serves to further erase the legitimacy of the border between Ukraine and Russia. Before the Kursk attack, Ukraine could play the holy grail card about how the border was sacred and Russia violated that border. But now Ukraine did the same thing. So playing the border card doesn't hold any weight anymore. Both sides have blatantly violated the border.

I disagree... Russia did not go into the Ukraine to expand its territory, it was ensuring the safety of people being shelled and burned to death by their own government for wanting to speak Russian.

After they intervened those people decided they had had enough and chose to hold a referendum... something that was not done for the new laws that created this situation, and the people decided they didn't want to be Ukrainian any more.

This was a rescue, which explains the very low civilian death toll after 3 years of war.

Kiev on the other hand sees those Ukrainians living in eastern Ukraine as being Russian occupiers and would happily kill the lot of them and take the land they are currently residing on.

Most of it would be handed over to US companies for minerals and resources to be extracted for the wealth of the 1% in the US that are driving this conflict.

But I do believe the Russian state does cynical things for its long term aims. Not on the same level as the US and UK. But still cynical.

You can't plan for that level of stupidity... the Russians are not cynical and would not risk their own people to get leverage as the west calls it.

Russia does not need leverage in the upcoming talks, they are already operating from a position of power, the only real question is how long will Kiev continue, or be allowed to continue.

Le Monde is like all the other NATzO fake stream media, full of shit. Russia does not have a "war economy" by any economic metric. So the 5-6 years estimate
is a turd ball that has not relevance to reality.

I partially agree... they have to say something and the very idea that the entire west is crippled with corruption and can't make sufficient artillery shells and wont be able to do so for the foreseeable future, and the shells they do produce are massively overpriced... means you need an excuse why Russia isn't running out of ammo and weapons and drones and people. Russia is a militarised communist country ruled by Putin with an iron fist and that is why they are not suffering like we claimed they would.

Im guessing you're asking if the Ukr border had any legitimacy before. The answer to that would have to be yes. The Ukraine declared independence in 1991. The border for all intents and purposes was no different than any other border in Europe legal wise.

Not really, there was no legitimate claim to the Crimea for Kiev except the word of Krushchev, which is hardly legally binding.

Multiple referendums by Crimea results in clear results of wanting autonomy from Kiev and a return to the Russian Federation which Kiev repeatedly refused to honour.

Such attacks will only make those hardliners gain more and more support and eventually Putin will not be able to keep his foot on the gas it might also even finally convince Putin that his soft approach just has only emboldened Ukraine

Putin is already not getting what he wanted... he wanted Kiev to honour the Minsk agreement and they didn't both times.

I am sure if Putin aw given a choice the conflict would not been needed.

But it isn't his call, as idiots decide.

You are welcome to prove me wrong but you cannot, go see what people in the Russian Duma say, go see what these major pro russian Channel like the Duran, Alexander Mercouris which are channels you fan boys quote constantly have all reported on this also.

Mevdev,

Yes, many angry and upset people, but what could they do if they were in charge and would it have the effect they hope for or just make things worse?

It is easy to bitch and moan and say this is taking too long and they need to take off the gloves and smash them... but honestly... when has that ever worked?

in fact a russian ambassador recently in an interview even commented Putin was keeping things soft, one of the reasons he cited was China and India.

Western leaders are total cunts, so of course it is difficult being the only adult in the room... no doubt he wants to give them all a damn good slap, but he is the leader of a country and there are certain requirements for that role.

He does not over react, he thinks things through and makes sure his responses have a targeted effect... which is why most thinking people in the west wish he was in charge of their countries... fixing their problems, and making Russia great again....

Put your head in the sand all you want, throw childish remarks all you want, What I said ISN'T WRONG and is backed up by numerous sources.

Yes, the response from all the programmed western sheeple is the same... when another country does this to you you destroy them.

How is that working out for the US right now?

Looks like a slow motion collapse of everything the people in the west built over centuries to make things comfortable for themselves...

You feeling confident about the future?

Your only complaint is that Putin is too soft...

OK.

Fine.

Or are you saying you know better then anyone else? fucking joke

That is exactly what you are doing.

Yet you and the others taken in by western propaganda and conditioned to think mindless violence and over reaction is leadership and democracy...

But the results stand for themselves.

Most countries on this planet would benefit from Putin being in charge of their territory if he treated them the way he treats Russia and Russians.

Part of caring for Russia and Russians is not throwing their lives away in a tantrum to make yourself feel better over something that has upset you, and another part is treating the people of other countries with respect and not judge them too harshly for their obedience to the west... even when they don't realise they are spouting western agendas...

Its just laughable and delusional how you and others think you know better then those in power or have much better sources, but yeah keep making these stupid ass remarks. Just shows how full of it you are

Because they know better than Putin? Their sources are better than Putins?

Their anger is less controlled and less hidden...

And in a month or mores time they will admit the way he is handling things is for the best.

But even if that is not true, it is his job and he is doing it as he sees fit... are you joining the chorus of Putin must go?

A Russian Ambassador did commit recently that one of the reasons was India and China aren't generally okay with the war, like they don't want Russia Annexing Ukraine, and this does make sense.

Russia isn't annexing anyone. Or is HATO annexing Europe... there were no referendums in Sweden or Finland or in the Ukraine or Georgia, yet there were referendums in Crimea and these four regions sick of being murdered by Kievs forces... that isn't annexation... that is liberation.

The Chinese and Indians were pushing for peace talks really hard, so there is evidence that this remark is true and I also fail to see why the Ambassador would lie about this, as that would put be in a really bad position if he was, so really he had no reason to lie about it

Actually there was a lot of work going on behind the scenes to get agreements that the Kursk incursion has totally destroyed and now Putin has said there is no room for talks now so what China says and what India says wont be followed to the letter... even if it wont be ignored completely.

Both those countries are benefiting from the current situation and both have trade with Kiev...

NATzO claims that referenda in the Donbas are "not legitimate" as if the population there are all western Ukr frothing at the mouth nazionalists. NATzO is all
about revisionism, double standards and information omission all packaged with BS narratives. So we had Obummer claiming that Kosovo had a referendum when
it never had one. But even real referendums in Russian speaking regions are "fake". There is no point trying to have a rational dialogue with NATzO. They
will stick their fingers in their ears and bleat "neener, neener" like some retarded child. It is an utter joke how NATzO claims that borders and territorial integrity
are sacrosanct but ignores this when it serves its interests. The only language NATzO has a chance of understanding is force. Russia needs to clean up Ukria,
sever Novorossiya which the bolshies illegally annexed to their fake state called Ukraine, and make the rest of it into a protectorate.

NATO has taken over the entire territory of Sweden and Finland. Its only fair that Russia takes over ALL of Ukraine. If Western Ukrainians have a problem with this, they are free to leave and move to their NATO wonderland.

Bachmut vibes in Ugledar. Orcs are storming the gates of elves without a pause ...




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GarryB wrote:Drop 12 thousand special forces into any hick area of any country and order them to scatter in small groups to evade and hide and do a bit of damage and take some tik tok photos and try to remain invisible for as long as you can hold out...

If they were decent forces then they could hide for years, but these guys were HATO special forces trained for a year and a half so while they might be Ukraines best men... they were likely hand picked to just start the training... these are not conscripts, these are mercs and nazis... and possibly both.

The fact that this event even happened is insane.

When your house is infested with mice and you think burning down the house is the best solution...

These are not your garden variety mice, are you gonna hold back against someone trying to kill your loved ones?

Why are nazis still a thing? It seems the west kept them alive because they like them...

Kill them then.

The west has been thinking Russia is weak and Putin is weak... his red lines are not red lines, we can do anything we please.

And how exactly is that working out for them?

They can claim Russia is on the brink of collapse, but do you think that means anything at all?

And now there's open discussion of deep strikes into Russia, like Russia is some backward country like Iraq.
They might i am to strike Putin.
Why are they even contemplating this, BECAUSE THEY FEEL SAFE, THAT"S WHY!!!
WTF is the Kremlin gonna do to disprove that, huh Garry, what are they gonna do?.... and above all, will they actually F'ing DO IT!!

The US and HATO were in Afghanistan for 20 years... why didn't they just go scorched earth on them and wipe them out the first two weeks into the conflict.

Instead they dragged it out and spent trillions on a country that is not better off now than the first day they arrived.

You have a very simplistic view of how the world works, and also how wars happen.

Bad optics and it would be completely anti-antithetical to either their nation building delusions or their MIC/forever war money laundering bonanza.
Also Afghanistan was not invading America proper.

Well they had a money printer, and they had to launder it somehow.

If you don't do shit when someone is beating you in the face, then guass what Garry, their gonna keep beating you over and over again, because THEY HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR!!

That is the song of the "the Sky is falling" club. Moscow has failed and now must surrender to Kiev and beg for mercy but must not expect any.

The noise of sobbing women in the background...

The Sky isn't falling, but the missiles sure as hell will be.

Yes, those women who lost there loved ones in Kursk, because the Kremlin was trying to "moderate" their response,........Pathetic.

I hope they are that stupid, they have been warned.

Words are useless, only actions will ever matter, especially to a dying empire grasping at whatever straws it can.
For this reason, anything other than ACTIONS can only be interpreted as WEAKNESS!

Do the Russian's still not grasp who the F they are fighting?

When he says no cover, he means they are not in areas they have been fortifying for the last 10 years.

They are in enemy territory will little chance of local support...

Why are they still alive?

The west has wanted Putin out for the last 20 years.

And now they believe that they can simply take him out with a missile, why??
Because here's nothing to fear.

Have you not been paying attention to western rhetoric.. countries like Poland have said they have given as much as they can, Finland has said it needs to worry about its own border with Russia and can't do more to help... Biden is gone... promised money is not arriving... promised dividends are not being paid on time and are having to be restructured... Ukraines credit rating is descending, and they now have F-16s and they haven't suddenly won the war.

In fact the highly trained nazis are getting killed in Kursk at a decent rate and along the front line they are steadily losing ground... allowing them to use long range weapons does not mean those weapons will reach their targets...

Most HATO weapons used by the orcs seem to be getting shot down when fired at military targets.

Occasionally a few slip through.

The destruction of their power grid continues and winter is coming...

Drone operators are sent to frontline trenches with rifles because they don't have enough soldiers to man the trenches...

In terms of a starving man that is the body is consuming vital organs to keep the body alive.... it is killing itself for a few extra hours...

Yeah, that is weakness...

The fact that you think Biden was in charge of anything is laughable Garry, and these clearly political statements from whatever European country is laughable too, these vassals are only trying to fool their voters, when the U.S says jump they will always ask how high, that is Europe today, minus maybe Hungary.

What??... are you listening to yourself?... it was a shit-test Garry, now the Moscow has shown WEAKNESS they will simply go to the next step.

Most Garry, not all, what happens when those that get through reach Moscow?... is the Kremlin gonna write another angry letter.  

Winter is coming for Ukraine, NOT THE WEST!

The fact that they are still there and that Russia has ALLOWED them to survive for this long, YES, THAT IS WEAKNESS!!!!!!!!!

COMMIT OR WATCH MOSCOW BURN, THOSE ARE THE TERMS GARRY!!!
That is the enemy Russia is dealing with, do you still not understand how the West works Garry!

So weak and yet still winning.

Most fighting systems recommend using an enemies strength against them and to appear weak and vulnerable while being smart and mobile.

Ukraine, yes, the west, not with angry letters will you ever win.

Allies and potential allies see Russia fighting the entire west and winning and growing and developing and still sending free food and fertiliser to Africa and forgiving debt to countries to promote trade and development and growth... when has the west ever done any of that?

If the Russians are not willing to COMMIT to their own people, then what snowballs chance in hell do their allies have??

Most know exactly what is happening but want to appear to be neutral because they don't give a **** about the Ukraine and they just want to continue to trade and make money.

Then they are goddamn idiots, empires don't fall willingly, they will fight tooth and nail and burn the world to the ground to save themselves.

Which is why the coalition of the stupid this time around is essentially the EU and the G7.

The rest of the world are not involving themselves in western sanctions... in fact China and India have been buying oil and other materials and selling them on to the west and making good money while also helping out the west and Russia and the west knows they can't stop them because they need the oil and other materials.

How weak is that?

Then the west will simply launch color revolutions all over the place, like they are doing right now, what's Moscow and Beijing gonna do, write more angry letters.  

Have you not heard of the concept of passive resistance. Gandi is famous for it but there are Maori tribes in New Zealand that did this 100 years before... look up Parihaka...

Russia could not defeat the west in all out war one on one... but they are defeating them because the west is destroying all its most powerful weapons and tools.... economic and political... trying to damage Russia and it hasn't worked.... it has only weakened the west in ways that Russia could never have weakened them.

Are you off your meds, Ghandi was on his knees begging to be freed and only achieved it through the decline of the British empire, and the support from America, who was busy using "democracy" to break up the colonial powers that the Europeans still have.
Peaceful revolution is a goddamn joke here Garry.

Russia has not only the most nuke, but also the most advance nukes on the planet, second to NONE.
The nuclear arsenal of the entirety of the West is a F'ing joke.

Here's a better plan, give the houtis or hezzbolah/iran top of the line missiles, and start sinking American warships, how about that, how about an actual F'ing response to Western aggression.
COMMIT OR FACE THE CONSEQUENCES!!!

The winter is getting colder

The turbine hall of the Eskhar Thermal Power Plant 2 in the village of the same name, destroyed as a result of today's missile strike on targets in the Kharkiv region.
- ISZ

Before and after

John's Sunday bang Otherwise known as a bullseye.

Oooops. Well its one way of identifying where the best targets, Azov, are.

Social media's abuzz, but the original poster's gone ghost - her pages on social networks are hidden.



Three Iskander missiles hit facilities in Kharkov that the enemy used to house militants
The militants have long since turned the non-functioning Palace of Sports "Palace" into a base.
"There will be many obituaries for the military," Ukrainian journalist Shariy wrote after the strike.
- RVvoenkor

150 drones intercepted over Russia  ? But some hit targets . Caused damage . Some Russian missiles hit Ukrs power plant . Caused damage . Who caused more damage ? Who can repair and who can not ? With this drone warfare , three solutions : ( 1 ) Cheap low tech , available immediately , domestic product ( various shotguns ) . ( 2 ) Medium cost , may be with delayed availability , domestic or purchased product ( upgraded AAA ) . ( 3 ) High cost , high tech , future availability ( AI , detection and short range SAM ) . Sources of products for 1 , 2 and 3 are Russia , India and China . Worth getting all .


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JohninMK wrote:John's Sunday bang Otherwise known as a bullseye.

No, no,no...  Thats moskali propaganda.  This is actually another example of Ukrainian military innovation where the attention of a Russian drone was drawn by a decoy vehicle which purposely detonated to take out the invaders weapon to no useful effect while essential AFU assets were spared....  no seriously...  the hidden truck full of cash and gold and fine art was able to sneak through the trees and successfully deliver its vital cargo to contribute to the Presidential Homebuilding & Leisure Fund.  The deposit on the new mansion in Malibu was delivered intact, its safe passage was secured at the low cost of 1 command vehicle, 4 tanks, 12 IFVs, 34 assorted armoured vehicles and the lives of 234 AFU servicemen.  A bargain at twice the price, I sure you would all agree?...

Slava Kokaini.  Ein volk, ein Reich, ein Führer. Onwards to the Inevitable Victory.  

[quote="AlfaT8"][quote="GarryB"]
As was stated numerous times in previous posts their have been responses to breaches of Russian red lines which are geopolitically turning the chess board forever against America that have occured since 2022.

They are not the rudimentary 500,00 belorussian frontal wave attacks or 20 megaton city killers you want to see.

The interpretation and exercise of the deterrence doctrine is in the hands of the commander. You use your best move, which is not always what is written on paper.

Sometimes the best move is not to end human civilisation with nuclear weapons or incur an additional 70,000 Russian dead troops to end the war sooner or put fear into an opponent. It's to accept a mosquito bite and respond by arming all of usa irregular/asymmetrical enemies in the middle east with hypersonic weapons causing them to lose ability to control the region and defeat your ally iran, so you secure region for yourself and your allies, a more sophisticated and scarier **** you. As an example.

Sounds like a much better move and a price worth paying to soundly defeat your opponent and securing a peaceful future for your 500,000 soldiers decendents. Thank God they will have one!!!!

Russia captured 1/3 Selidovo

After Selidovo and Ukrainsk there are no more fortifications until the Dnepropetrovsk region, so this is the big breakthrough (?) theoretically the
Russian hordes (200,000 reserves) could now begin to steamroll west just as the Red Army did in 1944 .....if they decide to step on it as some people are begging them to

ALAMO wrote:Something that puzzled me a bit ...

Kamera screen of a missile used on Krivy Rog attack 3 days ago :

Okeey ... It seems that something cleared out ...
A very similar missile was used in yesterday's attack in Charkov :



If you will watch that in slow-mo, we can mark that the warhead part seems to be thinner.
It is perspective, vid quality, and shutter speed that made it look so weird I guess.

As the warhead types for Iskander were not revealed to this day, I guess we are seeing some specific sort on payload made either for penetration or higher descend speed.

NATO has taken over the entire territory of Sweden and Finland. Its only fair that Russia takes over ALL of Ukraine. If Western Ukrainians have a problem with this, they are free to leave and move to their NATO wonderland.

I agree with what you are saying, but the west probably secretly hopes that is what will happen so they don't have to pay the bill of fixing the place... when it comes to war and breaking things they always have money to spare and to damage a rival they are ready and willing, but when it comes to repair and rebuild they send in companies that effectively steal their own money. The US and west will tell you about the billions of dollars spent fixing Iraq and Afghanistan, but if you actually checked it out most of the money went into the pockets of western contractors that did substandard work with cheap or faulty materials and left the place worse than they found it.

Haliburton made almost 40 billion in Iraq and had Dick Cheney on its board of directors earning his keep by getting them contracts and ignoring their criminal negligence.

Afghans in Kabul like living in the apartments built when the Soviets were there because their heating systems and air conditioning still works from the 1980s.

The fact that this event even happened is insane.

Why?

Do you think a modern country with US intel support can't amass a group of men and machinery and organise a panty raid on another country by surprise?

If this is unacceptable then the unacceptable happens every day in Europe and the US with their borders leaking illegal immigrants every day and night.

These are not your garden variety mice, are you gonna hold back against someone trying to kill your loved ones?

So you are trying to justify burning down your own house to get some mice?

There are smarter solutions. They might not be so fast but will actually leave your house intact...

Kill them then.

Obviously. And there should be no alcoholism or gambling problems for anyone... stop drinking and stop gambling. No fat people either... stop eating so much and stop eating unhealthy food.

Solutions are simple but rarely easy... they are in the process of killing them but killing them all has traditionally been rather impossible... or it would have been done.

BTW the solution to being rich is to earn rather more money than you spend. Easier said than done however.

And now there's open discussion of deep strikes into Russia, like Russia is some backward country like Iraq.
They might i am to strike Putin.
Why are they even contemplating this, BECAUSE THEY FEEL SAFE, THAT"S WHY!!!

And when one of those stupid attacks happens it will likely be via western weapons which are more likely than not to be shot down by most air defence systems they operate.... then Putin can start supplying weapons to Iran and North Korea and Cuba and other countries who feel threatened by the west with weapons they wouldn't normally supply as a courtesy to the west.

Perhaps NK and Iran want some defensive nukes to protect their territory and make them feel safer in their own neighbourhood which has increasingly hostile western related groups interfering.

WTF is the Kremlin gonna do to disprove that, huh Garry, what are they gonna do?.... and above all, will they actually F'ing DO IT!!

They have revised their nuclear doctrine and have started development of weapons the INF treaty banned... such weapons would be very potent for countries like North Korea and Iran and Cuba and perhaps even Mexico... who is currently having problems with the US.

Maybe Russia and China should improve their relations with Mexico and see what assistance and support they could provide.

Mexico joining BRICS+ and in 15-20 years the illegal immigration might be going the other direction...

Bad optics and it would be completely anti-antithetical to either their nation building delusions

Their motivations are anti ethical and they are not interested in nation building... a broken country like Afghanistan or Iraq for a while is easier to steal from.

Plus they control the western media so they control the optics... or you are the enemy and Putins puppet.

Well they had a money printer, and they had to launder it somehow.

Their money is ultimately worthless, they are using it to bribe and control countries like Afghanistan because the mineral resources of that country have never been industrially mined and exploited... there are likely a dragons treasure of material in Afghanistan the the regions nearby just waiting to be exploited because the west has never been able to kill the dragon. Over the centuries the dragon has had many names but currently it is called the Taliban. The British have run away from Afghanistan with their tail between their legs more than half a dozen times now... but if someone wanted to go back in they will go again....

If you don't do shit when someone is beating you in the face, then guass what Garry, their gonna keep beating you over and over again, because THEY HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR!!

That is correct, the problem is that you are confusing a minor irritation with someone getting their face bashed in.

The western world is collapsing and they don't realise it yet, the world is looking for different options and a group of countries that the west keeps pissing on are developing that option... it is called BRICS+ and it offers food and technology and material and weapons and other resources that you could only get from various western countries before. Western countries run world food markets and economic markets and control most things and their misuse and abuse of their power is leading to alternatives being set up and used by BRICS countries and also by the rest of the world.

Oil prices and food prices, not to mention shipping and insurance for Russia was all via western countries, they set the prices and manipulated markets to damage some countries and to weaken others so they could go in and steal resources or buy them up at reduced prices.

BRICS will have its own payment system and markets and will manage food prices because it includes producers and consumers, both of which don't want to get ripped off and manipulated by the unscrupulous west any more.

BRICS will encourage peace and development and progress so everyone can work for a comfortable life. It wont impose its religion or language or culture or morality on anyone. It wont demand democracy or socialism... China is communist, the other founding members are not and there has never been any mention of China conforming to what other countries have because it is just not necessary. Religion and culture do not need to be changed either.

Ganging up on other countries with sanctions has to stop, because it is generally blackmail to bully another country to allow the bullying countries to extract concessions or resources... it is not world police stuff, it is highwayman robbery.

Yes, those women who lost there loved ones in Kursk, because the Kremlin was trying to "moderate" their response,........Pathetic.

The people who lost loved ones anywhere is because of US and UK and EU aggression... Kiev would never have done this without support from the evil empire.

Half the well trained nazis why perpetrated this attack have been killed and the rest are in the process of being dealt with.

Blaming Putin for the attack is ridiculous.

Words are useless, only actions will ever matter, especially to a dying empire grasping at whatever straws it can.

The funny thing about red lines is you really don't know what the consequences are until you test them.

Putin is in the excellent position of knowing full well exactly what the west wants to do... they are poking the bear and they want the longest stick they can find, but what they don't realise is that the keeper of the bear who as been watching this immature kid pissing off his bear might open the cage to clean it and let the bear do what it wants for a minute or two.

I especially love the claims that Putin is weak and does nothing. Half a million dead Ukrainans is nothing it seems... now he has to start a nuclear war to appear tough.

Putin has turned western sanctions to Russias advantage and now Russia does not need trade with the west at all and they are producing or close to producing material and equipment and systems that replace what they used to buy from the west.

Traditionally gas turbines and trains and other things would be German... now they are Russian made. Even the Chinese thought they would get work on the high speed rail link from Moscow to St Petersberg, but Russia is developing all the technology for itself because it plans to expand the lines across their huge country so the technology will be useful to develop for themselves.

This means in Africa and Asia and central and south america Russia can also bid for high speed rail projects along with China and Germany... more competition for the west... and with western industry weakened by high energy costs they are not going to be very competitive...

For this reason, anything other than ACTIONS can only be interpreted as WEAKNESS!

And?

If they want to burn through their best equipment with their best trained men on a failed incursion that was supposed to capture the Kursk NPP, then let them.

It is easier to hunt down these arseholes in Russian territory than trying to find them anywhere in the Ukraine...

Do the Russian's still not grasp who the F they are fighting?

They know exactly who they are fighting so they are not wasting extra energy wiping out the orcs... conserving such energy and options in case they are needed later.

Winter is coming and payment deadlines have already been missed... the Ukraine is dead meat... made even worse because western countries supporting them are not delivering on promised money and weapons... finland and poland have already said they have given enough and need to worry about their own defence needs... more likely their political overlords understand if they keep throwing money into the bottomless money pit they wont get reelected.

Why are they still alive?

I have a switch here on my desk... been so busy I have not had time to flick it... it kills all bad people at once... only problem is that it does that by creating a black hole and essentially kills everyone, which is the only sure way of getting all the bad guys.

And now they believe that they can simply take him out with a missile, why??
Because here's nothing to fear.

Anywhere Putin might be will have all the air defence systems and equipment needed to keep him safe, and going by his history whoever tried such a thing would be treated in kind... ie decapitation strike against every country involved... a big difference is that Russian missiles are rather more likely to get through to the target because western air defences are not amazing. Russian air defences are... though they are not perfect.

The fact that you think Biden was in charge of anything is laughable Garry, and these clearly political statements from whatever European country is laughable too, these vassals are only trying to fool their voters, when the U.S says jump they will always ask how high, that is Europe today, minus maybe Hungary.

The west is to blame, they are cheering on this BS and very few are trying to stop it and no one in the western media would dare go against official US policy...

What??... are you listening to yourself?... it was a shit-test Garry, now the Moscow has shown WEAKNESS they will simply go to the next step.

It wasn't a test, it was an act of desperation... they know they can't win on the current front line... they are running out of trained men and positions they can defend properly. The trained men.... trained in the west for almost two years, are trained for guerilla warfare and would be useless on the front line of a grind like the Russians have going on.

If they believed their own bullshit they would try to take something in the Crimea because according to their BS Crimea is under occupation and is desperate to be saved from Russian annexation... but they are not stupid. Liars but not stupid.

The next option was to cross a relatively peaceful area of the border and try to get to a nuclear power station that they could hold and make demands regarding... and that is what they tried... they had a phillips head screwdriver (the + shaped one) and they looked and looked for a phillips head screw, which was the Kursk NPP and so they rolled the dice and have clearly already failed.

Putin as said there will be a response but such things take time and will be properly planned to achieve very specific goals so it does not backfire.

Something the west does not do.

Most Garry, not all, what happens when those that get through reach Moscow?... is the Kremlin gonna write another angry letter.

Yeah, Moscow is wide open, Kiev will have no trouble leveling the place... they could drop iron bombs from the 5 F-16s they have left now...

Putin will do nothing.

When they targeted and hit the Crimean bridge twice they lost much of their power grid... but you will say that is nothing because clearly you are a nazi like the enemy and think scorched earth is a good thing.

You say Putin is weak because he is not a cold unfeeling monster... OK then he is Weak.

Still the best man for the job.

Winter is coming for Ukraine, NOT THE WEST!

The west are never going to end this, the people have no power and the media will continue to support as long as the rich families that own the western media profit.

The Ukrainian people will wake up, or they will freeze.... as PD would say... I don't care which... the west is making it their problem and they still expect the west to save them?

The west wont start WWIII to save the Ukraine.

When the push too hard Putin will decide to push buttons he has been to mature and moral and civilised to uncage thus far, and then you will see a rapid turn around in the west... and Ukraine will collapse.

The fact that they are still there and that Russia has ALLOWED them to survive for this long, YES, THAT IS WEAKNESS!!!!!!!!!

If Russia could make such a choice I am sure it would have used such power to get rid of criminals and drug addicts decades ago.

COMMIT OR WATCH MOSCOW BURN, THOSE ARE THE TERMS GARRY!!!

You mean cry like a little girl, they have already mounted drone attacks and the vast majority of those drones are shot down. Occasionally one might sneak through, but nothing that could burn a city. You are being ridiculous now.

That is the enemy Russia is dealing with, do you still not understand how the West works Garry!

Perhaps if you think about it for a moment... Russia is in no position to destroy the west except using nuclear weapons that would result in the west destroying Russia.

Russia is ignoring your stupidity and is going for the best option... a separation from the west for a collective of most of the rest of the worlds countries to form a collective that can work together to grow and develop and to turn away from western liberal corrupt and obscene values it is vomiting up these days.

Russia is going to defeat the Ukraine, it is only a matter of time, but it would be wasting energy and resources trying to destroy Europe and the US... they would probably love Russia to invade Europe because that would confirm all the paranoid bullshit they have been spouting for the last few centuries, and the amount of money to be wasted on their MICS will make them all super rich while the majority of the comfortable middle class have to make do in a trailer park where they rent a trailer... you will own nothing and be happy.

Ukraine, yes, the west, not with angry letters will you ever win.

What is happening to the west and what is happening to BRICS... how do you define winning?

If the Russians are not willing to COMMIT to their own people, then what snowballs chance in hell do their allies have??

They invaded the Ukraine to save their people, and are defeating the best the west can deliver... including ex western special forces guys recently retired... I would say an alliance with Russia is probably be best thing most countries could do.

Then they are goddamn idiots, empires don't fall willingly, they will fight tooth and nail and burn the world to the ground to save themselves.

In trying to hurt Russia the west has done rather more damage to itself than Russia ever could have managed on its own.

Then the west will simply launch color revolutions all over the place, like they are doing right now, what's Moscow and Beijing gonna do, write more angry letters.

So what if they do?

They went pretty hard against Georgia when Georgia adopted those American laws regarding foreign agents, they cut off aid and refused to keep a play date that had already been organised...

Are you off your meds, Ghandi was on his knees begging to be freed and only achieved it through the decline of the British empire, and the support from America, who was busy using "democracy" to break up the colonial powers that the Europeans still have.
Peaceful revolution is a goddamn joke here Garry.

In the west he is perceived as weak... interesting that in the rest of the world he is respected.

It seems respect in the west depends who you are fighting... the Dali Lama is fighting the Chinese so he is good, but Putin is weak... funny he is weak yet remains in power and has turned his own country around to the point where the west can do nothing to damage it anymore... that wont damage themselves even more.

Russia has not only the most nuke, but also the most advance nukes on the planet, second to NONE.
The nuclear arsenal of the entirety of the West is a F'ing joke.

Committing suicide is something the weak think of doing, so of course the west are thinking about it...

Here's a better plan, give the houtis or hezzbolah/iran top of the line missiles, and start sinking American warships, how about that, how about an actual F'ing response to Western aggression.
COMMIT OR FACE THE CONSEQUENCES!!!

Have you not been paying attention?

US Navy captain fired recently... part of the propaganda that Putin is weak is that the west is fucking stupid. Kosovo independence is celebrated in the west, but the conflict in South Ossetia is condemned, but the two cases are never put together in the west, yet the former created the latter situation which ended in Russias favour.

Weak?

Call it anything you like.

If there is indeed 200K troops awaiting to be moved back to Ukraine front, maybe it would be ideal to get them to create buffer zones so Russian civilians won't get killed.

Well if anything this incursion has shown the need for a buffer zone around Russian territory... new and old.

I wonder what Russia has planned after donbass? Because Putin claimed war will end in 2025 but judging by what's happening on the front, I think it's gonna be a lot longer than that.

Plans change... if it takes longer it takes longer.

If it is India and China being bitches and causing trouble for Russia to act, Russia needs to assert itself more and tell both of them that they need Russia more than Russia needs them, since Russia has all the resources. They will comply.

Publicly they will be talking peace just like when the US manages to start a war between China and Taiwan Russia will be talking to both parties about peaceful resolution being the best option.

MMBR wrote:
As was stated numerous times in previous posts their have been responses to breaches of Russian red lines which are geopolitically turning the chess board forever against America that have occured since 2022.

Well said and well done for editing that post so you didn't repeat that entire conversation and waste space that would have led to me needing to give you a temporary ban for breaking the rules on repeating conversations in quotes.

Deleting everything except the first quote which names the people having the conversation so we know which to look back for is a clever idea to save space andn make things easier for other members, without risking a ban or worse... the removal of the Quote option.

Russian school teaches the science of winning, by Elena Karaeva for RiaNovosti. 09.02.2024.

On Saturday, five children were injured during shelling in Belgorod, and yesterday, on the eve of Knowledge Day, two more children were wounded.

This is, according to the thoughts of those who lead, plan, and aim cluster munitions at residential buildings, what the eve of the first day of school for our country should look like.

The terrorists who seized the school in Beslan two decades ago acted according to exactly the same scheme: to kill the future of Russia.

The VSEU people did not invent anything new. Their goal is to scare us so that we would refuse to teach our children. And so that the first day, the beginning of the school year would be remembered not as a holiday, not as a bell announcing the beginning of the first lesson, but as apprehension, fear and horror. Most likely, this is the main idea underlying the new "Ost" plan.

The first one, developed by Heinrich Himmler and Alfred Rosenberg (Himmler committed suicide, Rosenberg was executed by the sentence in Nuremberg ), prepared for the Slavs at best a basic literacy. The slaves did not need more to serve the ubermensch.

Today, the concept has not changed. It has been slightly touched up, slightly tweaked, and is once again being shown to the world with approving nods from Brussels and Washington.

Why approving? Because the use of cluster munitions is prohibited by international conventions. And cluster munitions certainly cannot be aimed at residential buildings where families are preparing for the start of the school year and getting their children ready for school, checking that all their supplies are in place.

And now the children, their parents - in hospital beds, in intensive care units, under perfusion and injections. This is absolutely the same plan "Ost", but just not total, but pinpoint.

It is not so easy in Kursk region either. Children who were temporarily displaced need to be taught. They need to be provided with everything they need. It is necessary to organize education so that children feel safe. Therefore, the authorities decided on partial distance-in-person education. A deep bow to Russian teachers, because their work is already heroic, and here the workload increases by orders of magnitude.

School in Russia has always been a sacred place. School years are the joy of learning, teachers bend their backs to pull repeaters out of the hell of idleness and bad company. They may not have grown into Nobel laureates or academicians, but they entered life with a reserve of love, warmth and attention, and this, you must agree, is not so little.

School librarians encouraged reading and taught children to love books and handle them with care.

These traditions are absolutely priceless. If we preserve them and will preserve them, we as a people will not be intimidated by any cluster bombs. Or by shelling.

In this regard, it is probably worth remembering what former Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said ten years ago.

He said that "our children (that is, Ukrainian children. - Author's note) will study in schools and go to kindergartens, and theirs (that is, Donetsk residents. - Author's note) will sit in basements." The entire Western media noisily rose to the defense of this barbaric statement, saying that the words were taken out of context by "Moscow propaganda." But no. The quote is accurate. Accurate and frank. The quintessence of the "Ost" plan of the current, Euro-Atlantic variety.

Well then.

The first bells announcing the start of the school year are ringing all over Russia. In-person or remote, it's just a question of form. The school year, despite the difficulties, will begin on schedule. For all children.

They will be taught our history, and not the one invented somewhere by Soros’s supporters.

It is great that the famous cover of the "History of the Ancient World", known, it seems, to all generations of our schoolchildren, has been preserved - it shows that very colonnade of the Syrian Palmyra . We do not distort history, but, following the facts, we deepen its understanding for children. Detail, nuance and context are important. Not invented by hysterical patriots in search of some kind of "self-identity", but the real context of real history, reflecting the facts and events that actually took place in the country.

People don’t love an ideal state, but the one in which they were born, whose language they speak, and which, if necessary, they will go to defend.

Skoda does not teach militarism, it does not welcome lies, it prepares for real life. With victories and, naturally, with defeats. It teaches not only algebra and physics, it explains that if you fall, you must definitely try to get up. There will always be those nearby who will help and support.

And this holiday of knowledge, this holiday of solidarity, this holiday of understanding life will not be taken away from us today by any cluster munitions. We are not afraid of them. We are moving forward. We are moving forward because we were taught this in our school.

https://ria.ru/20240902/shkola-1969837692.html

GarryB wrote:

I agree with what you are saying, but the west probably secretly hopes that is what will happen so they don't have to pay the bill of fixing the place... when it comes to war and breaking things they always have money to spare and to damage a rival they are ready and willing, but when it comes to repair and rebuild they send in companies that effectively steal their own money. The US and west will tell you about the billions of dollars spent fixing Iraq and Afghanistan, but if you actually checked it out most of the money went into the pockets of western contractors that did substandard work with cheap or faulty materials and left the place worse than they found it.

Haliburton made almost 40 billion in Iraq and had Dick Cheney on its board of directors earning his keep by getting them contracts and ignoring their criminal negligence.

Afghans in Kabul like living in the apartments built when the Soviets were there because their heating systems and air conditioning still works from the 1980s.

Are you suggesting giving up territory to waste a little bit of the enemy's money?

You have to ask why it tool so long to hit what are clearly significant targets? It is not as if they are short of aircraft.

Tony
@Cyberspec1

As a result of night strikes on targets in Kiev the following were hit:

- facilities of the Artem state enterprise, one of the key manufacturers of missile weapons;

- UAV storage and production facilities on the territory of the Antonov state enterprise, the main manufacturer in the field of aviation equipment.

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