NATO has taken over the entire territory of Sweden and Finland. Its only fair that Russia takes over ALL of Ukraine. If Western Ukrainians have a problem with this, they are free to leave and move to their NATO wonderland.
I agree with what you are saying, but the west probably secretly hopes that is what will happen so they don't have to pay the bill of fixing the place... when it comes to war and breaking things they always have money to spare and to damage a rival they are ready and willing, but when it comes to repair and rebuild they send in companies that effectively steal their own money. The US and west will tell you about the billions of dollars spent fixing Iraq and Afghanistan, but if you actually checked it out most of the money went into the pockets of western contractors that did substandard work with cheap or faulty materials and left the place worse than they found it.
Haliburton made almost 40 billion in Iraq and had Dick Cheney on its board of directors earning his keep by getting them contracts and ignoring their criminal negligence.
Afghans in Kabul like living in the apartments built when the Soviets were there because their heating systems and air conditioning still works from the 1980s.
The fact that this event even happened is insane.
Why?
Do you think a modern country with US intel support can't amass a group of men and machinery and organise a panty raid on another country by surprise?
If this is unacceptable then the unacceptable happens every day in Europe and the US with their borders leaking illegal immigrants every day and night.
These are not your garden variety mice, are you gonna hold back against someone trying to kill your loved ones?
So you are trying to justify burning down your own house to get some mice?
There are smarter solutions. They might not be so fast but will actually leave your house intact...
Kill them then.
Obviously. And there should be no alcoholism or gambling problems for anyone... stop drinking and stop gambling. No fat people either... stop eating so much and stop eating unhealthy food.
Solutions are simple but rarely easy... they are in the process of killing them but killing them all has traditionally been rather impossible... or it would have been done.
BTW the solution to being rich is to earn rather more money than you spend. Easier said than done however.
And now there's open discussion of deep strikes into Russia, like Russia is some backward country like Iraq.
They might i am to strike Putin.
Why are they even contemplating this, BECAUSE THEY FEEL SAFE, THAT"S WHY!!!
And when one of those stupid attacks happens it will likely be via western weapons which are more likely than not to be shot down by most air defence systems they operate.... then Putin can start supplying weapons to Iran and North Korea and Cuba and other countries who feel threatened by the west with weapons they wouldn't normally supply as a courtesy to the west.
Perhaps NK and Iran want some defensive nukes to protect their territory and make them feel safer in their own neighbourhood which has increasingly hostile western related groups interfering.
WTF is the Kremlin gonna do to disprove that, huh Garry, what are they gonna do?.... and above all, will they actually F'ing DO IT!!
They have revised their nuclear doctrine and have started development of weapons the INF treaty banned... such weapons would be very potent for countries like North Korea and Iran and Cuba and perhaps even Mexico... who is currently having problems with the US.
Maybe Russia and China should improve their relations with Mexico and see what assistance and support they could provide.
Mexico joining BRICS+ and in 15-20 years the illegal immigration might be going the other direction...
Bad optics and it would be completely anti-antithetical to either their nation building delusions
Their motivations are anti ethical and they are not interested in nation building... a broken country like Afghanistan or Iraq for a while is easier to steal from.
Plus they control the western media so they control the optics... or you are the enemy and Putins puppet.
Well they had a money printer, and they had to launder it somehow.
Their money is ultimately worthless, they are using it to bribe and control countries like Afghanistan because the mineral resources of that country have never been industrially mined and exploited... there are likely a dragons treasure of material in Afghanistan the the regions nearby just waiting to be exploited because the west has never been able to kill the dragon. Over the centuries the dragon has had many names but currently it is called the Taliban. The British have run away from Afghanistan with their tail between their legs more than half a dozen times now... but if someone wanted to go back in they will go again....
If you don't do shit when someone is beating you in the face, then guass what Garry, their gonna keep beating you over and over again, because THEY HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR!!
That is correct, the problem is that you are confusing a minor irritation with someone getting their face bashed in.
The western world is collapsing and they don't realise it yet, the world is looking for different options and a group of countries that the west keeps pissing on are developing that option... it is called BRICS+ and it offers food and technology and material and weapons and other resources that you could only get from various western countries before. Western countries run world food markets and economic markets and control most things and their misuse and abuse of their power is leading to alternatives being set up and used by BRICS countries and also by the rest of the world.
Oil prices and food prices, not to mention shipping and insurance for Russia was all via western countries, they set the prices and manipulated markets to damage some countries and to weaken others so they could go in and steal resources or buy them up at reduced prices.
BRICS will have its own payment system and markets and will manage food prices because it includes producers and consumers, both of which don't want to get ripped off and manipulated by the unscrupulous west any more.
BRICS will encourage peace and development and progress so everyone can work for a comfortable life. It wont impose its religion or language or culture or morality on anyone. It wont demand democracy or socialism... China is communist, the other founding members are not and there has never been any mention of China conforming to what other countries have because it is just not necessary. Religion and culture do not need to be changed either.
Ganging up on other countries with sanctions has to stop, because it is generally blackmail to bully another country to allow the bullying countries to extract concessions or resources... it is not world police stuff, it is highwayman robbery.
Yes, those women who lost there loved ones in Kursk, because the Kremlin was trying to "moderate" their response,........Pathetic.
The people who lost loved ones anywhere is because of US and UK and EU aggression... Kiev would never have done this without support from the evil empire.
Half the well trained nazis why perpetrated this attack have been killed and the rest are in the process of being dealt with.
Blaming Putin for the attack is ridiculous.
Words are useless, only actions will ever matter, especially to a dying empire grasping at whatever straws it can.
The funny thing about red lines is you really don't know what the consequences are until you test them.
Putin is in the excellent position of knowing full well exactly what the west wants to do... they are poking the bear and they want the longest stick they can find, but what they don't realise is that the keeper of the bear who as been watching this immature kid pissing off his bear might open the cage to clean it and let the bear do what it wants for a minute or two.
I especially love the claims that Putin is weak and does nothing. Half a million dead Ukrainans is nothing it seems... now he has to start a nuclear war to appear tough.
Putin has turned western sanctions to Russias advantage and now Russia does not need trade with the west at all and they are producing or close to producing material and equipment and systems that replace what they used to buy from the west.
Traditionally gas turbines and trains and other things would be German... now they are Russian made. Even the Chinese thought they would get work on the high speed rail link from Moscow to St Petersberg, but Russia is developing all the technology for itself because it plans to expand the lines across their huge country so the technology will be useful to develop for themselves.
This means in Africa and Asia and central and south america Russia can also bid for high speed rail projects along with China and Germany... more competition for the west... and with western industry weakened by high energy costs they are not going to be very competitive...
For this reason, anything other than ACTIONS can only be interpreted as WEAKNESS!
And?
If they want to burn through their best equipment with their best trained men on a failed incursion that was supposed to capture the Kursk NPP, then let them.
It is easier to hunt down these arseholes in Russian territory than trying to find them anywhere in the Ukraine...
Do the Russian's still not grasp who the F they are fighting?
They know exactly who they are fighting so they are not wasting extra energy wiping out the orcs... conserving such energy and options in case they are needed later.
Winter is coming and payment deadlines have already been missed... the Ukraine is dead meat... made even worse because western countries supporting them are not delivering on promised money and weapons... finland and poland have already said they have given enough and need to worry about their own defence needs... more likely their political overlords understand if they keep throwing money into the bottomless money pit they wont get reelected.
Why are they still alive?
I have a switch here on my desk... been so busy I have not had time to flick it... it kills all bad people at once... only problem is that it does that by creating a black hole and essentially kills everyone, which is the only sure way of getting all the bad guys.
And now they believe that they can simply take him out with a missile, why??
Because here's nothing to fear.
Anywhere Putin might be will have all the air defence systems and equipment needed to keep him safe, and going by his history whoever tried such a thing would be treated in kind... ie decapitation strike against every country involved... a big difference is that Russian missiles are rather more likely to get through to the target because western air defences are not amazing. Russian air defences are... though they are not perfect.
The fact that you think Biden was in charge of anything is laughable Garry, and these clearly political statements from whatever European country is laughable too, these vassals are only trying to fool their voters, when the U.S says jump they will always ask how high, that is Europe today, minus maybe Hungary.
The west is to blame, they are cheering on this BS and very few are trying to stop it and no one in the western media would dare go against official US policy...
What??... are you listening to yourself?... it was a shit-test Garry, now the Moscow has shown WEAKNESS they will simply go to the next step.
It wasn't a test, it was an act of desperation... they know they can't win on the current front line... they are running out of trained men and positions they can defend properly. The trained men.... trained in the west for almost two years, are trained for guerilla warfare and would be useless on the front line of a grind like the Russians have going on.
If they believed their own bullshit they would try to take something in the Crimea because according to their BS Crimea is under occupation and is desperate to be saved from Russian annexation... but they are not stupid. Liars but not stupid.
The next option was to cross a relatively peaceful area of the border and try to get to a nuclear power station that they could hold and make demands regarding... and that is what they tried... they had a phillips head screwdriver (the + shaped one) and they looked and looked for a phillips head screw, which was the Kursk NPP and so they rolled the dice and have clearly already failed.
Putin as said there will be a response but such things take time and will be properly planned to achieve very specific goals so it does not backfire.
Something the west does not do.
Most Garry, not all, what happens when those that get through reach Moscow?... is the Kremlin gonna write another angry letter.
Yeah, Moscow is wide open, Kiev will have no trouble leveling the place... they could drop iron bombs from the 5 F-16s they have left now...
Putin will do nothing.
When they targeted and hit the Crimean bridge twice they lost much of their power grid... but you will say that is nothing because clearly you are a nazi like the enemy and think scorched earth is a good thing.
You say Putin is weak because he is not a cold unfeeling monster... OK then he is Weak.
Still the best man for the job.
Winter is coming for Ukraine, NOT THE WEST!
The west are never going to end this, the people have no power and the media will continue to support as long as the rich families that own the western media profit.
The Ukrainian people will wake up, or they will freeze.... as PD would say... I don't care which... the west is making it their problem and they still expect the west to save them?
The west wont start WWIII to save the Ukraine.
When the push too hard Putin will decide to push buttons he has been to mature and moral and civilised to uncage thus far, and then you will see a rapid turn around in the west... and Ukraine will collapse.
The fact that they are still there and that Russia has ALLOWED them to survive for this long, YES, THAT IS WEAKNESS!!!!!!!!!
If Russia could make such a choice I am sure it would have used such power to get rid of criminals and drug addicts decades ago.
COMMIT OR WATCH MOSCOW BURN, THOSE ARE THE TERMS GARRY!!!
You mean cry like a little girl, they have already mounted drone attacks and the vast majority of those drones are shot down. Occasionally one might sneak through, but nothing that could burn a city. You are being ridiculous now.
That is the enemy Russia is dealing with, do you still not understand how the West works Garry!
Perhaps if you think about it for a moment... Russia is in no position to destroy the west except using nuclear weapons that would result in the west destroying Russia.
Russia is ignoring your stupidity and is going for the best option... a separation from the west for a collective of most of the rest of the worlds countries to form a collective that can work together to grow and develop and to turn away from western liberal corrupt and obscene values it is vomiting up these days.
Russia is going to defeat the Ukraine, it is only a matter of time, but it would be wasting energy and resources trying to destroy Europe and the US... they would probably love Russia to invade Europe because that would confirm all the paranoid bullshit they have been spouting for the last few centuries, and the amount of money to be wasted on their MICS will make them all super rich while the majority of the comfortable middle class have to make do in a trailer park where they rent a trailer... you will own nothing and be happy.
Ukraine, yes, the west, not with angry letters will you ever win.
What is happening to the west and what is happening to BRICS... how do you define winning?
If the Russians are not willing to COMMIT to their own people, then what snowballs chance in hell do their allies have??
They invaded the Ukraine to save their people, and are defeating the best the west can deliver... including ex western special forces guys recently retired... I would say an alliance with Russia is probably be best thing most countries could do.
Then they are goddamn idiots, empires don't fall willingly, they will fight tooth and nail and burn the world to the ground to save themselves.
In trying to hurt Russia the west has done rather more damage to itself than Russia ever could have managed on its own.
Then the west will simply launch color revolutions all over the place, like they are doing right now, what's Moscow and Beijing gonna do, write more angry letters.
So what if they do?
They went pretty hard against Georgia when Georgia adopted those American laws regarding foreign agents, they cut off aid and refused to keep a play date that had already been organised...
Are you off your meds, Ghandi was on his knees begging to be freed and only achieved it through the decline of the British empire, and the support from America, who was busy using "democracy" to break up the colonial powers that the Europeans still have.
Peaceful revolution is a goddamn joke here Garry.
In the west he is perceived as weak... interesting that in the rest of the world he is respected.
It seems respect in the west depends who you are fighting... the Dali Lama is fighting the Chinese so he is good, but Putin is weak... funny he is weak yet remains in power and has turned his own country around to the point where the west can do nothing to damage it anymore... that wont damage themselves even more.
Russia has not only the most nuke, but also the most advance nukes on the planet, second to NONE.
The nuclear arsenal of the entirety of the West is a F'ing joke.
Committing suicide is something the weak think of doing, so of course the west are thinking about it...
Here's a better plan, give the houtis or hezzbolah/iran top of the line missiles, and start sinking American warships, how about that, how about an actual F'ing response to Western aggression.
COMMIT OR FACE THE CONSEQUENCES!!!
Have you not been paying attention?
US Navy captain fired recently... part of the propaganda that Putin is weak is that the west is fucking stupid. Kosovo independence is celebrated in the west, but the conflict in South Ossetia is condemned, but the two cases are never put together in the west, yet the former created the latter situation which ended in Russias favour.
Weak?
Call it anything you like.
If there is indeed 200K troops awaiting to be moved back to Ukraine front, maybe it would be ideal to get them to create buffer zones so Russian civilians won't get killed.
Well if anything this incursion has shown the need for a buffer zone around Russian territory... new and old.
I wonder what Russia has planned after donbass? Because Putin claimed war will end in 2025 but judging by what's happening on the front, I think it's gonna be a lot longer than that.
Plans change... if it takes longer it takes longer.
If it is India and China being bitches and causing trouble for Russia to act, Russia needs to assert itself more and tell both of them that they need Russia more than Russia needs them, since Russia has all the resources. They will comply.
Publicly they will be talking peace just like when the US manages to start a war between China and Taiwan Russia will be talking to both parties about peaceful resolution being the best option.
MMBR wrote:
As was stated numerous times in previous posts their have been responses to breaches of Russian red lines which are geopolitically turning the chess board forever against America that have occured since 2022.
Well said and well done for editing that post so you didn't repeat that entire conversation and waste space that would have led to me needing to give you a temporary ban for breaking the rules on repeating conversations in quotes.
Deleting everything except the first quote which names the people having the conversation so we know which to look back for is a clever idea to save space andn make things easier for other members, without risking a ban or worse... the removal of the Quote option.
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The militants have long since turned the non-functioning Palace of Sports "Palace" into a base.
.....if they decide to step on it as some people are begging them to 
As a result of night strikes on targets in Kiev the following were hit: