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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #61

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Sep 22, 2024 3:43 pm

    JohninMK wrote:.....
    🇱🇹🇺🇦🇪🇺‼🚨 Von Der Leyen: “As we speak, there is a full thermal power plant that is being dismantled in Lithuania and shipped piece by piece to Ukraine, with our support, and then rebuilt in Ukraine.”

    -> The problem is not the shortage of power plants, the problem is that missiles fly into them often.

    So spending months to move and rebuild a power plant in Ukraine … just for a missile to hit it a day later, is beyond stupid.

    Nah, let them cook

    Wait until the whole thing is up and running and then blow it to pieces on the day it's switched on




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    Post  ucmvulcan Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:09 pm

    lyle6 wrote:
    Its actually worse. Word on the grapevine is the hohols blew up expired ammo stocks destined for destruction anyways, the Russians having long since pillaged everything that is remotely fireable from the site.

    That explains the lack of air defense coverage or any other precautionary measures...




    So you mean they wasted an overpriced and over engineered drone to destroy shit the Russians weren't going to use?  Hilarious.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:14 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Looks like Zaporozhye NPP is safe - Ukrainians are gone and gone to Kursk lmfao
    Source?
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:16 pm

    Ripped out of MoA. I found it interesting.

    Yes. There has for some time been a steady drip of information coming out, much of it confirmed in the Western press, to that effect. Further references to that from "Ossi" just recently:-

    "The fact that Russia’s claim is true has been known since the leaked telephone conversation between the German Air Force generals at the latest. In the conversation, they spoke in great detail about the fact that Ukraine cannot use the cruise missiles itself, but that NATO soldiers do. Just one example from the conversation:

    "So when it comes to doing mission planning, for example, I know how the English do it, they do it completely in reachback."

    But there is another problem, which the British Times pointed out in passing in an article a few days ago:

    "The missiles are not flying directly at their target, defense officials say: They are effectively guided "through the eye of a needle" using GPS and terrain map data. "You could certainly fire them single-handedly, but they probably wouldn't survive in the contested, electronically jammed environment the Russians are in," said a British defense source. "Russian electronic warfare has rendered GPS useless. They jam it. So you have to use another data set that is in American possession instead." This is classified, but probably has to do with the capabilities of ground maps."

    It's all about ground maps

    The fact that Russian electronic warfare has rendered GPS useless is indeed a problem for the West. The second option, besides GPS, to maneuver a missile to its target is precise ground maps that the missile can use to navigate. And according to the British Times, only the USA has such detailed ground maps of Russia.

    However, that is not true.

    On September 30, 20On 21, the “Welt” newspaper reported on a tender from the Bundeswehr under the headline “Centimeter-accurate geodata – these maps from the Bundeswehr identify Putin’s vast empire more precisely than ever before”:

    “According to information from WELT AM SONNTAG, the Bundeswehr has awarded a contract to print highly accurate hiking maps of Russia on a military scale. The maps are supposed to show more than just streets, paths and houses. The Bundeswehr itself does not want to comment on this information. However, a tender platform provides more clarity: “The project in question deals with the production and delivery of vector data in high resolution – usually on a scale of 1:50,000 – in the production area of ​​Russia.” (…) The contract for the terrain data collection that has now been awarded has also already been awarded. According to the tender data, the contractor is Arge VEHA GbR.”

    This is why Kiev wants the Taurus

    This means that in addition to the USA, Germany also has the necessary ground maps to guide a cruise missile to targets deep in the Russian hinterland, even without GPS. It can be assumed that one of the reasons why Chancellor Scholz, at least so far, is so stubbornly opposed to the delivery of the Taurus to Kiev is that then Bundeswehr soldiers would not only have to program the missiles, but they would also do so on the basis of information that the Bundeswehr apparently has exclusive access to in Europe.

    And Germany also appears to be unwilling to share these ground maps with the British or French so that they can use them for their Storm Shadows or SCALPs. It is unlikely that the USA will share such exclusive information with anyone.

    Posted by: ossi | Sep 22 2024 7:08 utc | 243

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/09/ukraine-zelinskis-victory-plan-charade/comments/page/3/#comments

    This must also apply to drones, certainly the naval drones out of Odessa. The naval drones attacking the pipeline guard ships, for instance, must have needed real time information supplied by Western ISR to be able to make those attacks. Not only drones. HIMARS and ATACMS also need targeting information that it is not possible for the Ukrainians to input independently. We have, in fact, been attacking Russian territory and Russian positions directly from the early stages of the war, using Ukrainian personnel to do little more than press the button, if that.

    The Russians know all this and from Putin's speeches and interviews have known it for some time. As long as the attacks are pinprick attacks they'll ride them: they do not want this war to escalate. But from what they've said they respond with asymmetric attacks and, if the pinprick attacks get too bothersome, have left open the possibility that they might respond with direct missile attacks within the EU or the UK.

    That Russian block on significant escalatory measures from the Europeans, and the reluctance of the US to get drawn into an escalatory spiral, accounts for the hothead statements coming out from the EU and the UK politicians. It's very easy to make wild demands and threats when they know those threats can never be carried into effect.

    Posted by: English Outsider | Sep 22 2024 16:36 utc | 20

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:17 pm

    Mir wrote:Looks like now that 404 has finally "mastered" the art of flying the F-16, they are now begging for the Eurofighter and the Gripen! Laughing Laughing  Laughing  

    https://sputnikglobe.com/20240922/ukraine-negotiating-with-west-on-deliveries-of-gripen-and-eurofighter-jets-1120245967.html

    Ukraine expects to receive two more fighter jet types, the Gripen and Eurofighter, from its Western allies, and negotiations are currently underway, Ukrainian Defense Minister Rustem Umerov said.

    As Jonathan House, I know he's an American but he did a solid work on why the Wehrmacht lost in the USSR and he said logistically speaking they were screwed from June 22, 1941. In much the same way Ukraine has been screwed since Feb 2022. All these different weapons systems require massive amounts of different types of parts and you can't do a repair job just by going down to the Home Depot or Lowes or Kelly's Autoparts. The maintenance people can't just focus on one type of vehicle or even one manufacturer that uses mostly interchangeable parts, they have to navigate multiple different operating systems. You can't swap the engine from an Abrams and put in a Challenger. In terms of aviation, the complexity increases by a magnitude. Ukraine has lost the war, they just don't know it yet.

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    Post  Hole Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:27 pm

    Russian tactic has changed.
    Which is only possible because the war of attrition is bearing fruits.

    No real road left to escape on.
    Take as few prisoners as possible.

    Ukraine is directed by the U.S./CIA/Mi6 and the global elites.
    What took them so long to figure that out?

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    Post  Kiko Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:33 pm

    CERN’s ‘Politicized’ Plan to Ban Russian Scientists Threatens West With ‘Scientific Slum’ Status, by Ilya Tsukanov for Sputnikglobe.com. 09.22.2024.

    The European Organization for Nuclear Research (French acronym CERN) plans to bar close to 500 Russian scientists from its labs, including the Large Hadron Collider particle accelerator, effective December 1. Russian nuclear energy expert Alexei Anpilogov explains why the "politicized" move threatens to turn the West into a "scientific slum."

    In 2008, to great fanfare and jubilation, CERN opened the 27 km-long Large Hadron Collider (LHC) – the world’s largest and most powerful particle accelerator, on the French-Swiss border.

    Russian scientists, who had been working on their own massive particle accelerator project in the 1980s prior to the Soviet Union's dissolution, played an active and critical role in the LHC's creation. CERN signed a cooperation agreement with Russia's Institute of High Energy Physics in 1993, and up to 700 Russian specialists, plus many more from other post-Soviet republics, took part in the $4.75 billion European scientific megaproject's construction.

    A decade-and-a-half after the LHC's launch, CERN intends to formally end cooperation with Russia, to ban Russian scientists from the organization's sites and demand that they hand in their Swiss and French residency permits, unless they start working for scientific institutions outside Russia.

    CERN's "absolutely irresponsible" and "politicized" decision is nothing short of an attempt to "erase" Russia from international science, and a move that will inevitably backfire, nuclear energy expert and political scientist Alexei Anpilogov told Sputnik.

    The decision will result in a situation where “all countries will be extremely cautious about science megaprojects, and engaging in international scientific cooperation in general,” knowing that they could be booted at any time for “absolutely political reasons,” the observer pointed out.

    A large portion of the infrastructure involved in the LHC’s construction was made possible thanks to ideas contributed by scientists from Russia, who have long played a leading role in elementary particle physics, quantum physics and astrophysics, Anpilogov said.

    Today, these fields are giving birth “to fundamental technologies of big science that will be demand, 20, 50, 100 years from now.” If Russia’s ability to contribute to world science is diminished, “this will stop progress, or at least slow it down quite significantly,” he said.

    At the same time, Western countries’ "extraordinary" attempt to wall themselves off from Russian science, a process exemplified by CERN's decision, is being taken to levels unseen even during the Cold War, and threaten to boomerang against them in a dramatic way.

    In this divided world, Russia will be able to “jointly implement ambitious and large-scale megaprojects," with countries in the Global South, "without Western scientists’ participation. And in such a scenario, the 'wall' now being built around Russia may turn out to be a wall around the European Union and the West in general, where scientists could find themselves in a scientific slum from which it may prove quite difficult to escape,” Anpilogov pointed out.

    Anpilogov expects Russia and the countries of developing world, who make up the global majority and are playing an increasingly important role in world science, to forge new megaprojects based on the principle of the non-ideologization and non-politicization of science.

    Mikhail Kovalchuk, head of the Kurchatov Institute, Russia’s leading nuclear energy R&D institution, told Russian media on Saturday that as “difficult” it will be to lose the scientific connections built up with Western countries over the decades, “for Russian science, this is a positive development, since the megaprojects being developed in Russia today will require many scientists and engineers.”

    Kovalchuk pointed out an array of Russian scientific megaprojects, from the PIK research reactor in Gatchina for the study of neutron radiation and microphysics, to the Sila synchrotron laser being developed in Protvino outside Moscow, the SKIF 4th generation synchrotron radiation facility in Koltsovo, Siberia, the RIF synchrotron on Russky Island in the Russian Far East, the revamped X-Ray lithography synchrotron in Zelenograd, Moscow and the Kurchatov Institute’s Tokamak nuclear fusion research reactor.

    “In other words, over the next five to seven years, we will have the most advanced, most modern, most powerful research infrastructure in the world,” Kovalchuk said.

    As for CERN’s LHC, and other European scientific megaprojects, including Germany’s European X-Ray Free-Electron Laser Facility and France’s ITER nuclear fusion research and engineering project, all of these complex installations “are based on the ideas of Soviet-Russian science,” the official stressed, with Russia being both an intellectual and financial donor to their creation.

    https://sputnikglobe.com/20240922/cerns-politicized-plan-to-ban-russian-scientists-threatens-west-with-scientific-slum-status-1120250876.html

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:49 pm

    Kiko wrote:CERN’s ‘Politicized’ Plan to Ban Russian Scientists Threatens West With ‘Scientific Slum’ Status, by Ilya Tsukanov for Sputnikglobe.com. 09.22.2024.

    The European Organization for Nuclear Research (French acronym CERN) plans to bar close to 500 Russian scientists from its labs, including the Large Hadron Collider particle accelerator, effective December 1. Russian nuclear energy expert Alexei Anpilogov explains why the "politicized" move threatens to turn the West into a "scientific slum."

    In 2008, to great fanfare and jubilation, CERN opened the 27 km-long Large Hadron Collider (LHC) – the world’s largest and most powerful particle accelerator, on the French-Swiss border.

    Russian scientists, who had been working on their own massive particle accelerator project in the 1980s prior to the Soviet Union's dissolution, played an active and critical role in the LHC's creation. CERN signed a cooperation agreement with Russia's Institute of High Energy Physics in 1993, and up to 700 Russian specialists, plus many more from other post-Soviet republics, took part in the $4.75 billion European scientific megaproject's construction.

    A decade-and-a-half after the LHC's launch, CERN intends to formally end cooperation with Russia, to ban Russian scientists from the organization's sites and demand that they hand in their Swiss and French residency permits, unless they start working for scientific institutions outside Russia.

    CERN's "absolutely irresponsible" and "politicized" decision is nothing short of an attempt to "erase" Russia from international science, and a move that will inevitably backfire, nuclear energy expert and political scientist Alexei Anpilogov told Sputnik.

    The decision will result in a situation where “all countries will be extremely cautious about science megaprojects, and engaging in international scientific cooperation in general,” knowing that they could be booted at any time for “absolutely political reasons,” the observer pointed out.

    A large portion of the infrastructure involved in the LHC’s construction was made possible thanks to ideas contributed by scientists from Russia, who have long played a leading role in elementary particle physics, quantum physics and astrophysics, Anpilogov said.

    Today, these fields are giving birth “to fundamental technologies of big science that will be demand, 20, 50, 100 years from now.” If Russia’s ability to contribute to world science is diminished, “this will stop progress, or at least slow it down quite significantly,” he said.

    At the same time, Western countries’ "extraordinary" attempt to wall themselves off from Russian science, a process exemplified by CERN's decision, is being taken to levels unseen even during the Cold War, and threaten to boomerang against them in a dramatic way.

    In this divided world, Russia will be able to “jointly implement ambitious and large-scale megaprojects," with countries in the Global South, "without Western scientists’ participation. And in such a scenario, the 'wall' now being built around Russia may turn out to be a wall around the European Union and the West in general, where scientists could find themselves in a scientific slum from which it may prove quite difficult to escape,” Anpilogov pointed out.

    Anpilogov expects Russia and the countries of developing world, who make up the global majority and are playing an increasingly important role in world science, to forge new megaprojects based on the principle of the non-ideologization and non-politicization of science.

    Mikhail Kovalchuk, head of the Kurchatov Institute, Russia’s leading nuclear energy R&D institution, told Russian media on Saturday that as “difficult” it will be to lose the scientific connections built up with Western countries over the decades, “for Russian science, this is a positive development, since the megaprojects being developed in Russia today will require many scientists and engineers.”

    Kovalchuk pointed out an array of Russian scientific megaprojects, from the PIK research reactor in Gatchina for the study of neutron radiation and microphysics, to the Sila synchrotron laser being developed in Protvino outside Moscow, the SKIF 4th generation synchrotron radiation facility in Koltsovo, Siberia, the RIF synchrotron on Russky Island in the Russian Far East, the revamped X-Ray lithography synchrotron in Zelenograd, Moscow and the Kurchatov Institute’s Tokamak nuclear fusion research reactor.

    “In other words, over the next five to seven years, we will have the most advanced, most modern, most powerful research infrastructure in the world,” Kovalchuk said.

    As for CERN’s LHC, and other European scientific megaprojects, including Germany’s European X-Ray Free-Electron Laser Facility and France’s ITER nuclear fusion research and engineering project, all of these complex installations “are based on the ideas of Soviet-Russian science,” the official stressed, with Russia being both an intellectual and financial donor to their creation.

    https://sputnikglobe.com/20240922/cerns-politicized-plan-to-ban-russian-scientists-threatens-west-with-scientific-slum-status-1120250876.html

    Frankly the Russians should put the western astronauts on the Boeing space capsule, the pinnacle of western engineering principles, and send em home. Also, they should break with Europe. let the EU enter a new dark age, hell western academia is headed there anyway, even tenured professors can't say too much without being canceled for being insensitive to a student and these are people who embrace the ideology that different cultures have their own science. Russia should work exclusively with the Chinese and Indians and invest heavily in building advanced engineering and scientific research universities in the global south. Send these barbarians back to the 13th century. Only difference is that they have turned their back on the church so there won't be monasteries to keep the light of scientific inquiry going and so they will truly go dark.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Sep 22, 2024 5:04 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    Frankly the Russians should put the western astronauts on the Boeing space capsule, the pinnacle of western engineering principles, and send em home. 
    Under NASA orders the Boeing capsule has returned to Earth empty but safely. The US astronauts are supposed to return on a Musk capsule next February. Failing that its grovelling to the Russians time.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun Sep 22, 2024 5:43 pm

    kvs wrote:NATzO propaganda endlessly yaps about Putin's bluffing.   Russia needs to call NATzO's bluff and hard.   These clowns are not able to wage
    conventional war on Russia and they will not launch a nuclear war since it means that they will be deleted.   The only way that they would
    launch a nuclear war is if they have some way to effectively compromise Russia's nuclear arsenal.   Via infiltration or some technical means.
    It is extremely unlikely that they have such capability at present.   They did not even have it in the 1990s when their comprador stooge
    Yeltsin was in power and gangster-oligarch Berezovsky was in charge of the state security council.  

    If you think Russia can defeat NATO in a conventional war, I got a pile of dirt for you that is worth ten billion dollars but I'll sell it to you for 100k.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Sep 22, 2024 5:52 pm

    https://t.me/remylind21/26377

    @johninmk

    You wanted proof that Syrsky pulled his guys out of Zaporozhye to send to Glushkovo

    Here it is - Russian troops and aviation have been activated in this sector

    It’s time to make a push

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Sep 22, 2024 5:52 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    If you think Russia can defeat NATO in a conventional war, I got a pile of dirt for you that is worth ten billion dollars but I'll sell it to you for 100k.

    NATO would last a fraction of the time Ukraine has

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sun Sep 22, 2024 5:55 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    If you think Russia can defeat NATO in a conventional war, I got a pile of dirt for you that is worth ten billion dollars but I'll sell it to you for 100k.

    Russia is beating NATO in a conventional war.  Who trains, funds, arms, and equips, and leads the Ukrehrmacht and the Lolwaffle? Who develops Ukraine's military plans? Its all NATO anyone who wasn't interested in lying to himself and being a defeatist piece of shit would realize that straight away

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Sep 22, 2024 6:04 pm

    ⚠ Хохол внезапно осознал, что планирующие бомбы летают несколько дальше, чем считалось.
    У хохла немного порвалось Запорожье.🤫

    Кто-то сейчас нервно елозит курвиметром по карте.

    ✈ НгП раZVедка 🦇

    Zaporozhye region has been reactivated

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sun Sep 22, 2024 6:25 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:⚠ Хохол внезапно осознал, что планирующие бомбы летают несколько дальше, чем считалось.
    У хохла немного порвалось Запорожье.🤫

    Кто-то сейчас нервно елозит курвиметром по карте.

    ✈ НгП раZVедка 🦇

    Zaporozhye region has been reactivated

    So do the Ukes defend the salient or decide to launch a "genius" level offensive into Belgorod that takes 10 villages and costs them 10,000+, a few dozen tanks, and some f-16s? Anyways, keep it up RKKA

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun Sep 22, 2024 6:38 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote: If you think Russia can defeat NATO in a conventional war, I got a pile of dirt for you that is worth ten billion dollars but I'll sell it to you for 100k.

    It depends where they fight the war.

    If it is somewhere at sea or away from Russia, you are right.

    If they fight in the Euroasian continent, within 1000 km from Russia own border, Russia has got the advantages, as long as it stays a conventional war.

    If it goes nuclear, everyone loses.

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    Post  lyle6 Sun Sep 22, 2024 7:16 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    So you mean they wasted an overpriced and over engineered drone to destroy shit the Russians weren't going to use?  Hilarious.
    They, uh, nuked Russian territory with a JASSM, actually. Razz

    And they did it based on faulty hohol intel of alleged North Korean missile stocks in the site. Because if I were to procure North Korean Ballistic Missiles I will shuttle them an extra 500 miles to the periphery of my capital, threatening exactly zero targets besides the Baltic butthurt belt (already checked by Iskanders/Kinzhals in Kaliningrad and Belarus, btw), and then hog the railway for an extra 500 mile trip whenever I want to use them. Rolling Eyes

    Now you see exactly the kind of low-impulse decision making that's keeping the Russian Stavka awake. Not the brilliant, cold, and calculated maneuvers that easily overwhelms and overpowers as exemplified by the Nazi OKW, but retarded, throw whatever sticks, rash insanity.

    It would be funny, if only these people aren't in charge of nukes.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Sep 22, 2024 7:18 pm

    ucmvulcan wrote:


    So do the Ukes defend the salient or decide to launch a "genius" level offensive into Belgorod that takes 10 villages and costs them 10,000+, a few dozen tanks, and some f-16s? Anyways, keep it up RKKA

    I posed this question on a chat , 10 out of 10 times Syrsky will go for good ol pocket

    The problem is - Syrsky has many pockets and not enough men to throw them into

    So even if his modus operandi is already known , his problem is he cannot commit to it

    The only pockets he can cook some Ukro beef in is Volchansk and Kursk - excuse me kurschyna Laughing

    But he doesn’t have men to defend Kupyansk, Toretsk, Seversk by the Zherebets, Pokrovsk, Selidovo, Ugledar, and now Zaporozhye

    So he has 2 good hot pockets warmed up, the other 8 are going to get cold if Ukraine doesn’t address the manpower issues and soon

    Although we all know they won’t - once they lose Donbass as I have repeat as nauseam

    It will be a dash to the Dnieper

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    Post  LMFS Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:08 pm

    Broski wrote:
    It would be in Russia's best interests to landlock the Ukraine and create a land bridge to Pridnestrovie, at minimum.

    I think we are past that point: Novorussia, including Kharkov and Dnipropetrovsk, was the plan A for an endgame according to the Russian goals. But after so much dumbfuckery, 404 has thoroughly earned themselves their right to be deleted from the maps, and deleted they will be, that is what happens when the currently accelerating snowball effect at the fronts picks up speed in earnest and the reason why both the gang in Kiev and their bosses are mad trying to cheat their way out of the complete capitulation the losing side of attritional warfare unavoidably faces, by threatening escalation against Russia. These retards will discover that their will does not conjure reality soon enough.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Sep 23, 2024 1:46 am

    Probably to a 'partner' command cell conveniently located in the safety of the US embassy.

    We have seen over and over in this conflict civilian trucks used to transport weapons, residential areas used to hide armoured vehicles, malls and farmer sheds used to hide artillery, the grain deal protected various warehouses in Odessa where military equipment and HQs were located because they knew the Russians would not hit civilian targets. Hotels used for Mercs, etc etc.

    They have thousands of employees at the US embassy in Kiev and they are not working hard filling out forms to give green cards to Ukrainian citizens... they are running the Ukrainian government and they are running this conflict and the sooner Putin drops missiles on this embassy the better.

    Doing it without warning would ensure the war criminals pay the price for their actions. Warning them means they will move somewhere else...

    The communications coming out of the place will be proof enough that the embassy is being used as part of the war effort which means it is not really an embassy.

    The CIA is operating from 12 secret bases within Ukraine.

    Hit all 12 of them if the US approves long range use of HATO weapons against Russia. Hit them all at once and hard.

    They will of course try to set up new bases, and when they do... hit them too... don't let them do their work.

    Illiterate Iraqis were machining and assembling shaped charges from scrap metal and scavenged explosives...

    This one just trashed $80k worth of missile because he couldn't.

    Is this the vaunted Ukrainian technical expertise at work?

    I suspect he will be after the thermal cameras in the missiles and in the launchers... most likely to fit to drones which are probably rather more useful...

    They would likely use the warheads too of course and they don't have any Russian washing machines so the other electronics will likely be scavenged too.

    NATzO propaganda endlessly yaps about Putin's bluffing. Russia needs to call NATzO's bluff and hard.

    Technically he is in the process of doing that. The next time an attack is made using long range HATO weapons inside Russian territory he can respond, but so far AFAIK they have not done that. The EU has said strikes deep in Russia with their weapons is OK, but most rely on US components and US advisors for them to work and so far the US has not said yes yet.

    Looks like now that 404 has finally "mastered" the art of flying the F-16, they are now begging for the Eurofighter and the Gripen!

    Is Rafale even too expensive for them, or are there surplus Eurofighters and Gripens that are going to be scrapped they have their eyes on?

    So you mean they wasted an overpriced and over engineered drone to destroy shit the Russians weren't going to use? Hilarious.

    Also explains how the drones got through...

    If you think Russia can defeat NATO in a conventional war, I got a pile of dirt for you that is worth ten billion dollars but I'll sell it to you for 100k.

    Your confidence in HATO is impressive, but the stories we actually hear from people in the know paint a different picture.

    HATO itself seems to be in no hurry at all to directly go toe to toe with Russian forces... interesting considering their clear superiority...

    NATO would last a fraction of the time Ukraine has

    The Ukrainians seem to be rather more stubborn than most HATO soldiers are likely to be...

    So do the Ukes defend the salient or decide to launch a "genius" level offensive into Belgorod that takes 10 villages and costs them 10,000+, a few dozen tanks, and some f-16s? Anyways, keep it up RKKA

    Ironically they were successful to start with in that till foray because they didn't talk about it for months beforehand, but now the cat is out of the bag and they will likely struggle to get that level of surprise again.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Sep 23, 2024 4:19 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    If you think Russia can defeat NATO in a conventional war, I got a pile of dirt for you that is worth ten billion dollars but I'll sell it to you for 100k.

    Russia is beating NATO in a conventional war.  Who trains, funds, arms, and equips, and leads the Ukrehrmacht and the Lolwaffle? Who develops Ukraine's military plans? Its all NATO anyone who wasn't interested in lying to himself and being a defeatist piece of shit would realize that straight away

    really it is......

    Someone better tell NATO that....cause last I checked all the armies are chilling
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Sep 23, 2024 4:19 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    If you think Russia can defeat NATO in a conventional war, I got a pile of dirt for you that is worth ten billion dollars but I'll sell it to you for 100k.

    NATO would last a fraction of the time Ukraine has

    and this is why I call you guys cheerleaders

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    Post  Mir Mon Sep 23, 2024 4:45 am

    SeigHeil wrote:
    and this is why I call you guys cheerleaders

    Sure. Nothing wrong with rooting for someone or something. You and the other trolls happened to root for the other side. You are even allowed to propagate your filth over here. On the other side your governments are trying their level best to suppress the Russian news outlets - just so that they can control the narrative.

    Soon you may even find yourself on the wrong side of an exploding cellphone - JUST BECAUSE the CIA did not like what you posted here! Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Sep 23, 2024 8:02 am

    Faster than even I thought Shocked 

    The timing is exquisite, with Zelensky just arrived in the US. In no way the bearer of good news, pleading for more of everything. With the front increasingly in disarray, US intel will be well aware so he can't bullshit, there is really not much point anymore. The US is politically getting to the point of needing a scapegoat! Will he even go back, maybe replacement will happen?

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    * The Russians surrounded Vuhledar. Syrsky tried to stabilize the situation by sending infantry troops to the flanks, but they were defeated by Russian paratroopers.
    * The Russian Armed Forces have advanced to the Oskil and Zherebets rivers. Another catastrophe awaits Ukraine in the coming days.

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    Geolocated footage and reliable reports indicate that Russian forces have made significant progress in and around the key Ukrainian fortress town of Vuhledar.

    Firstly, a Russian motorised rifle unit advanced from positions west of Pavliivka, crossing the Kashalach river and seizing positions in a series of treelines  southeast of Novoukrainka. This advance creates a second pincer around Vuhledar, and will allow the Russians to advance to the last supply route that leads to the town.

    Secondly, Russian forces likely advanced from positions east of the O0532 road and captured the eastern residential area of Vuhledar. This puts them right outside the main part of the town and will allow for direct assaults into the high-rise buildings.

    Russian forces also likely captured the Terykon (industrial waste heap) adjacent to the Pivdennodonbaska No. 1 coal mine. This gives the Russians fire control over the northwestern approaches to Vuhledar.

    There are also reports that Ukrainian forces have begun withdrawing from Vuhledar across the fields in small groups.

    All of these developments indicate that the fall of the town is imminent.

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    "There are no fortifications beyond Chasov Yar, Konstantinovka is not ready for defense. Kurakhovo is not either. Selidovo inside the city was completely unprepared for defense, now they are feverishly trying to do something." - Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine deputy Maryana Bezuglaya


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    Ukrainian Sources Growing Anxious Over Potential Russian Offensive from the East

    A number of Ukrainian sources are beginning to express concern over the increasing likelihood of a Russian Armed Forces strike from the east.

    Particularly worried are those who, since 2022, have touted the strength of Ukraine’s defensive lines, supposedly built to either stop or at least slow down advancing Russian forces. Their concerns are not unfounded.

    Firstly, the main defensive strongholds in this region were positioned facing south, likely anticipating an offensive from that direction—where Ukraine had planned to push forward during last year's offensive. Secondly, if even part of the Russian attack unfolds as indicated by the projected red arrows on maps, there is a real possibility that the entire front line, stretching from the southern Donetsk sector nearly to the Dnipro River, could be rolled up.

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    It means that eventually they'll have to retreat to the right bank of the Dnieper, but instead of doing so in a controlled manner while they still can, they'll have to do it in a succession of blood draining last stands.
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