Russian special military operation in Ukraine #61

Mir wrote:

Mein Kampf 2 wrote:Do Russian supporters sometimes wish that Russia was more like Israel? It would make supporting Russia far easier. People in general like to root for winners, not losers. Supporting a loser is psychologically demanding, because it predisposes a person to constant negative feelings such as anger, despair and hopelessness. Bla, bla, bla...

I have some incredibly sad news for you. One of the most influential persons ever, the late Henry Kissinger, predicted a couple of years back that the State of Israel would seize to exist within ten years.

Not only Kissinger, but the organization with it's tentacles all over the globe - the CIA - said the same thing back in 2007. Israel would soon disappear from the map. It does look like Israel is in a great hurry to turn that prophecy into reality atm.

Recent events have turned the whole world against the jewish occupiers and it's murderous leadership. If the giggling half-wit wins in November, things may turn for the worst for the occupiers - so it appears you are backing the wrong horse here.

I personally believe they should all just pack up and leave for Las Vegas. That should instantly make this world a much better place.

I WISH Kissinger was right. I don't know why he said it since he was a Jew himself. But I wish he was right.

However, current events do not support Israel will disappear from the map. Israel is instead making its neighbors disappear from the map.

And if Israel were to disappear who would do it? The only one capable could be Russia, but what are the changes for that happening?

Mir you are dreaming. Israel has such a strong survival instinct that they will never disappear. Obviously without the support of the Americans it would have been complicated but there again, the Americans will always support Israel. Israel has now understood that they must go all the way and use all possible means without limit. The Americans will let it happen because Israel does the dirty work for them. Hamas and Hezbollah are shitting their pants. Iran is the same. Israel could decapitate the entire chain of command of Iran in 2 weeks, leaving room for the opposition to take power with the support of a large majority of the people. Iran is weak. Russia must follow Israel's example, strike faster and strike harder, the Ukrainian leaders must become priority targets! cut off the heads and the war will be won quickly!

I'm just the messenger here. You should rather take this up with the CIA or uncle Nick himself. Henry has managed a prime spot for himself there  
Samson is about to pull the pillars down

Karl Haushofer wrote:Do Russian supporters sometimes wish that Russia was more like Israel?

Well when Israel pulls off a coup like it did just now against Hezbollah, incinerating their entire leadership, then yeah sometimes I do. But then I remember that Russia is dozens of times more populous, thousands of times bigger and has been around for a thousand years and seen off or withstood dozens of invaders and wars with neighbouring powers.

Israel has been around for 76 years all of which it has spent in a state of war, sometimes open, sometimes non-declared, has not been recognized by half of its neighbours, and is basically in a constant struggle for its existence which it tries to ensure by ethnic cleansing and settler-colonialism which don't create for it any more friends around the world either.
And its record during its previous incarnation wasn't great either; it alternated between decades long periods of independence to decades long periods of subjugation or exile.

So really life for either hasn't been simple, but I tend to think that Russia has the better ideas about how to go about its business.

It would make supporting Russia far easier. People in general like to root for winners, not losers. Supporting a loser is psychologically demanding, because it predisposes a person to constant negative feelings such as anger, despair and hopelessness.

And yet Russia is winning and its enemies are the ones loosing.
Only the Ukraine supporters are not demoralized because the Empire of Lies feeds them their regular dose of spectacles, the invasion of Kursk being the most recent.
And I think that's what you're really asking for here. Performances and demonstrations of power. Well sorry but you've chosen the wrong side to support if that's what you're after.
For Russians it's not a problem supporting Russia without being subject to constant negative feelings. Number one we don't have a choice. And number two we know history. What happened the last time an aggressor decided to attack Russian forces at Kursk?

I know it is very difficult for a person to change their beliefs and world views.  If a person has over the years accustomed an anti-western world view it is very difficult to shake it off. And there is nothing wrong with being anti-western as the West is led by satanic monsters.

I agree. I'm pro-Russian because I understand the nature of the war, and Russia's survival and sovereignty is being threatened. I understand the nature of the Western elites too, and that they mean to subjugate the rest of the world and must be stopped - and for that reason I'm "anti-western" so to speak too and have been for a long time.
But other than that I'm not inherently pro-Russian, I don't think Russia has some holy mission in the world or is better than other countries and civilizations or whatever. I wouldn't support Russia in a war against China or India or Egypt or Mexico or whoever without very valid reasons, which certainly don't exist in the world as it is today.
And I'm not inherently anti-Western either. If they have regime changes of their own, the kind that they insist upon for everybody else, and finally get reasonable elites into power that are ready to co-operate with the rest of the world without insisting on dominance or privileges, then I would have zero reason to be biased against them.

But the problem is that these satanic monsters are winning and they have no credible counter force anywhere.

No, they are desperate, hence why they are resorting to ever more risky moves and trying to appease the crowds with spectacle.
Russia is winning, and has no need to try a risky strategy or to change things up all the time.
China you'll note is doing nothing at all. It's not even engaged in a war. And it's winning more than anyone.

Russia and China are led by leaders that are not capable of standing up against the West.  They are risk-averse, favor non-retaliation against aggression and do not support their allies against western aggression in a meaningful way.

I have my concerns about Putin's strategy too given that the West seems determined to escalate at every step.
Nevertheless, I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt until NATO missiles start impacting Russia. Thus far Putin's strategy on winning the war while preventing it from spreading into a wider confrontation has worked. Thus far.

Iran has now proved that it is totally defenseless against Israel. Israel could probably militarily decapitate Iran in a few weeks if they would decide.

Like I said, a lesson for Russia here.

Iran is supposed to be a Russian/Chinese ally while Israel definitely is a western ally. While the West has armed Israel up to its teeth, Iran has been left with nothing to fight against Israel. See the difference?

Iran is hardly defenseless. They have everything they need to wage a war, their own determined and capable allies in the Middle East, and the support of Russia and China no doubt too - but whether they have the mettle and the leadership is on them.

Some ten years ago Russia badly betrayed Iran in this field. Iran had already paid for a Russian air defense system (probably S400) but Russia failed to deliver it to Iran. Why? Because Putin listened to Western demands and cucked out. This is the same idiot that offered Russian railways for the usage of NATO cargo in Afghan war, free of charge of course. The NATO paid Russia back by flooding Russia with cheap heroin from Afghanistan.

Russia wasn't in a state of undeclared war with NATO at the time and was able to benefit from Western investment into its industries and Western technologies. Russia had a huge amount of social problems coming out of the USSR collapse and it took decades to fix them too. By avoiding straining relations with the West during his first couple of terms, if not outright appeasing them here and there, Putin was able to buy a lot of time for Russia to sort its internal issues out and strengthen political ties around the world too.

Why couldn't Russia do the same in Ukraine? Why did the idiot in the Kremlin try this "humane" and "brotherhood" style of warfare that was doomed to fail from the beginning? Russia was perfectly capable of militarily decapitating Ukraine's political and military leadership in the first days of the war. It would have caused massive civilian casualties too, but it would have also broken Ukraine's back. And it would have saved tens if not hundreds of thousands of Russian military personnel's lives.

Easy to say in retrospect but what would everyone be saying about Putin if he went in heavy from the start, gave no chance to open negotiations again and then left no-one in the Ukraine to talk to because he killed them?
And do you think that this strategy would have decided the war? Who's to say that the next Ukrainian leader the West would have found to replace Zelensky wouldn't be directing things from Poland instead while having every mandate to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian as it's a brutal invading empire determined to kill all Ukrainians anyway, while probably securing at least Indian and Chinese neutrality as supporting a Russia who took out world leaders might have been a bit too much for them, and who might also be smart enough to know not to interfere in military matters like Zelensky insists on constantly?

Now Russia is stuck with this slower than snails pace war in Donbass while the West is happily arming Ukraine to kill as many Russians as possible.

Problem is your alternative sounds fantastical

Russia would not dare do shit in Syria until it did, as it did obviously not have the balls to do anything in 404... until it did. Stupid Westerners are really beyond hope LikeDislike wrote:

Intervention in Syria or even Ukraine is not a nuclear attack on NATO. This last one is escalation at the highest level. I would not compare it to previous conflicts.

Russian military personnel shot down 125 drones launched by Ukrainian militants over Russian territory, the Russian Defense Ministry reported.

“Over the past night, the Kyiv regime attempted to carry out a terrorist attack using unmanned aerial vehicles on targets on the territory of the Russian Federation,” the defense department said in a statement.

It is specified that the air defense systems on duty destroyed

-67 aircraft-type UAVs over the territory of the Volgograd region,
-17 each in the Belgorod and Voronezh regions,
-18 in the Rostov region, and
-one each over the Bryansk and Kursk regions and the Krasnodar region.
-In addition, three more aircraft were shot down over the waters of the Sea of ​​Azov.

Ukrainian militants regularly attempt to commit terrorist attacks on Russian territory, including using drones. Thus, on September 24, air defense systems on duty shot down 13 UAVs in the Kursk, Bryansk and Belgorod regions

https://tvzvezda-ru.translate.goog/news/2024929740-FVHJn.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB&_x_tr_pto=nui

Russian MoD reporting 2365 Ukrainian casualties over the past 24 hours.

BS

One funny thing is that article 5 come with the article 6 which states: Article 61

“For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:

on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.”


So if russian Yasen start destroying those german or polish ships in the red sea there won't be any nato-russia war.

Arrow wrote:

Intervention in Syria or even Ukraine is not a nuclear attack on NATO. This last one is escalation at the highest level. I would not compare it to previous conflicts.

Why would Russia launch a nuclear attack on NATO? They have many, many escalation options before they resort to that.

I am glad at least, that Kissinger lived to see the birth of the multipolar world, and the beginning of the end for the 'American century', and even the fruitlessness of his own efforts to repeat his old trick and turn Russia and China against each other - first during his wooing of Putin in the 2010s, which the SMO brought an abrupt stop to, and then when visiting Beijing not long before he died too; where the Chinese gave him an honorary reception but nothing more than that.

JohninMK wrote:A quote, copied from the Hezbollah thread.

Dugin could be right though I am not convinced, he is a philosopher not a general and bears the scars of his daughter's death so is coming from a different direction to the military strategists in the MoD who are clearly running to a pretty successful 'minimise our/maximise their' casualties where possible plan, even some here view the Russian approach to be almost half-hearted when it comes to armed conflict. This confuses many people who regard it as a war not a 'what the Hell is a' SMO.

On a different tack but in the same vein, quite how foreign dignitaries visiting Kiev with no apparent sense of danger and Zelensky popping in and out without difficulty fits in is a bit of a puzzle.

    by Alexander Dugin (@Agdchan)

    It is unpleasant to admit, but Israel’s radical decisiveness in ruthlessly destroying its enemies stands in stark contrast, not only to the behavior of those enemies but also to our own approach in dealing with the Kiev regime. Israel acts proactively, and it is now clear that they even provoked Hamas into an attack, which yielded no results for the Resistance at all. Meanwhile, Israel managed to eliminate the leadership of the forces antagonistic to it in the Middle East and easily carried out a large-scale genocide of Gaza’s Palestinians.

    Once again, the faster one acts, the more justified they are. Those who act with decisiveness and boldness win. We, on the other hand, are cautious and constantly hesitate. By the way, Iran is also following this path, which leads nowhere. Gaza is gone. Hamas’ leadership is gone. Now Hezbollah’s leadership is gone. And President Raisi of Iran is gone. Even his pager is gone. Yet Zelensky is still here. And Kiev stands as if nothing has happened.

    We must either join the game for real or... The second option is something I don’t even want to consider. But in modern warfare, timing, speed, and “dromocracy” decide everything. The Zionists act swiftly, proactively. Boldly. And they win. We should follow their example.

https://x.com/ArktosJournal/status/1840112471689904189

I'm pretty sure that if the Ukrainians wanted to hold Ugledar a day or two longer, they could have just sent Zelensky there for a visit. Just as he has visited Bakhmut last year and a whole load of other places. The Russians would either find out that he's coming, or be informed by a backchannel that he is - and would absolutely make sure that not even a stray bullet impacts anywhere near his dog & pony show; likely just ordering all their units to halt progress and strikes for the duration.

That's how important Zelensky is for Russia, right in the position where he is. For now.

As for Dugin, he's just scoring a few cheap points. There is for sure some truth in what he's saying, but not in reference to the Ukraine.

Ukraine getting those housewives into the Teroborona units now. Because they will stop the Russians when everyone prior has been killed doing so, I guess?
And these Twitter propagandists are trying to spin this whole tragedy as something heroic

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