Russian special military operation in Ukraine #62

Karl Haushofer wrote:

Taking out the the personnel responsible for strikes against critical infrastructure in Russia (whether military or civilian) IS NOT ENOUGH!

The only adequate response is to take out critical infrastructure in countries responsible for planning and perpetrating these strikes.

Scorpius wrote:
What's wrong with you?

thegopnik wrote:Another thing that popped in my head is, isn't the west being a little too kind letting Russia know Ukraine is being supplied with long range missiles? Like you are giving time for the Russians to set up their air defenses a certain way and letting them be on the lookout for increased surveillance in finding where those long-range missiles will be supplied in Ukraine to immediately strike them before they strike you.

I think you could have maximized damage to Russia being silent with the missile transfers. These 2 months will probably be nothing.

ALAMO wrote:You are spasming - as usual - about a nothing burger.
What would be even a theoretical difference if ukrs would be allowed to use longest range systems provided to them on the core Russian territories?
UK is out of Storm Shadows.
France is out of Scalps.
Germany won't provide Taurus. Even if, a whole 20 pcs? WoW!

Are you still arguing about using two-digit supplied ATACSM? Really?

Ukraine back in 2022 operated its own 200 km range MLRS system.
They had a 500+ km range cruise missile.

Both were used from day one, without any limitations.
Ever observed any serious effect of any of them, other than speculations of Moskva sinking?

The west is losing, and losing badly.
Now is the time to push the public opinion of how they were defeated not by Russia, but by an axe of evil coalition, with China being the mainstay - the number of "reports" about Chinese-supplied weapons is increasing steadily.
You already have a mass pryops with NK soldiers on the ground, assisted by a massive inflow of crap in media.
Have you seen the one where "Russian soldier" is yapping about supplying them with canned dog meat?
Or the "North Korean POW in hospital", who does not speak Korean but ukro dialect?
Yes, this is how moronic this propaganda can be, still achieving its goal by being massive.

We will face an increased stream of propaganda, even considering it's scale till now. We will face even dumber psyops, targeting the dumbest of the audience and being the loudest at the same time.

Just like some here    

Why Biden Authorized Missile Strikes Deep into Russia, by Gevorg Mirzayan for VZGLYAD. 11.18.2024.

US President Joseph Biden, after much hesitation, made the decision that Kyiv had been trying to persuade him to make – he allowed the use of US long-range missiles on Russian territory. Even in the US, this step is called “insane and provocative.” Why does Biden need it then – and what might Russia’s response be?

US President Joe Biden has given the Kiev regime permission to use American long-range and high-precision missiles on the "old" (i.e. recognized by the West) territory of Russia. This is reported by The New York Times, citing US officials. The primary targets will allegedly be Russian and unproven North Korean troops in the Kursk region.

In fact, according to the publication, it was the “participation of North Korean troops in the SVO” that became the basis for Biden’s decision. In addition, according to a number of other American media outlets, this decision was influenced by the American president’s negotiations with the leaders of South Korea and Japan, which took place on the sidelines of the APEC summit in Peru. And following the United States, Britain and France gave permission for similar strikes – with their StormShadow and SCALP, respectively.

In London and Paris, no one doubted it – the leaders of these European countries had been asking Washington for such permission for several weeks. However, Biden refused all these weeks. First of all, because of the justified fears of escalation – and the understanding that, militarily, American missiles would not change anything. They would not help the Kyiv regime turn the tide of the war.

Not only Russian military analysts, but also the editorial staff of the American CNN write about this. The number of ATACMS, SCALP and StormShadow that Kiev can receive is very limited.

What then made Biden reconsider his position and abandon caution? The version about "response to North Korean participation" is immediately dismissed - at least because if this participation does take place in the Kursk region, then we are talking about sovereign Russian territory.

In fact, there can be only one answer, and it was voiced and acknowledged even by CNN. The TV channel calls the decision of the White House administration "extremely provocative." This provocation is made in an attempt to solve several foreign policy tasks of the United States.

First, to inspire the allies. Not only the South Koreans and Japanese (who fear the consequences of Russian-North Korean cooperation), but also the Europeans.

The latest successes of the Russian army, coupled with Trump's victory, have plunged the Russophobic part of Europe into despondency - but immediately after Biden's decision, the Russophobes perked up. "Strikes with Western long-range weapons against Russia will be decisive in the fight against the aggressor. Peace cannot be achieved through weakness. Peace is the privilege of the strong. Be strong, Ukraine," Lithuanian President Gitanas Nausėda rejoices.

Of course, this inspires the Kiev leadership to continue the war. "Blows are not delivered with words. Such things are not announced. The missiles will speak for themselves," said the head of the regime, Volodymyr Zelensky. In Kyiv, they believe that their only salvation can be an escalation of hostilities with the involvement of the United States, they have been begging for this escalation for months - and now they have received it.

Secondly, the provocation is intended to test Moscow's resolve. The West knows very well that Moscow will perceive permission to strike as the West's direct participation in military aggression against Russia. Vladimir Putin has openly stated this. "This will significantly change the very essence and nature of this conflict, and the Russian Federation will make appropriate decisions based on the threats that will be created for it," the Russian leader explained.

Among the possible counter-solutions could be a sharp tightening of Russian actions within the framework of the SVO. "The West has decided on such a level of escalation that it could end with the complete loss of statehood by the remnants of Ukraine," writes Senator Andrei Klishas.

Or the supply of Russian weapons to the enemies of the United States – something that Vladimir Putin also hinted at at one time. “We reserve the right to do this. [To supply weapons] to those states or even some legal structures that are experiencing a certain amount of pressure on themselves, including military ones… If they supply weapons to the combat zone and call for the use of these weapons on our territory, why don’t we have the right to do the same, to respond in kind?” he said at the SPIEF summit in June.

There is also a version that Biden's provocation is aimed at Trump - to thwart any of his attempts to reach an agreement with Moscow. "President-elect Donald Trump may think he can negotiate peace, but he will inherit a war in which the stakes have risen significantly," writes CNN. The president-elect's son, Donald Trump Jr., shares this opinion, calling Biden's decision "insane" and saying that "the American military-industrial complex wants to start World War III before my father has a chance to achieve peace."

In fact, Trump de facto played along with Biden in his provocation. Washington simply chose an extremely opportune moment to announce permission for such strikes – immediately after the election of a new US president.

To announce strikes is one thing, to actually carry them out is quite another. The preparations are made by one US president, the order to use them is given by another. At the same time, once the weapons are prepared, it is sometimes impossible to stop them from being used.

This ambiguity allows the old and new White House administrations to shift responsibility for the decision to strike Russia onto each other. Biden and Trump will point the finger at each other in the event of a catastrophic development for Ukraine and the United States – and both can claim that he, unlike the other, was truly committed to a peaceful resolution to the crisis.

Indeed, speculation about possible peace talks has become more frequent among American politicians and in the media lately. “The American people voted against these latest American decisions on November 5th and do not want to finance or fight foreign wars. We want to solve our own problems. Enough, this has to stop,” said US House of Representatives member Marjorie Taylor Greene.

However, all this "peaceful" rhetoric should not be misleading. We have seen many times how, after statements about peace, the US has staged new anti-Russian provocations. And in this case, both Biden and Trump are playing this game together, and together with the entire American elite.

The United States, under Biden and Trump, will always want to inflict a strategic defeat on Russia. The difference is only in some details. If Biden tried to inflict this defeat through the “war on the periphery” in Ukraine, then Trump will try to do the same through political blackmail and dubious negotiating schemes.

Russia can only have one answer to both of these: victory in the Ukrainian special operation.

https://vz.ru/world/2024/11/18/1298494.html

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Yes, those are searchlights, but that makes perfect sense in this case. When you are firing AA guns into the air, you use searchlights to mark the position for the gunners.
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caveat emptor wrote:All electric generation facilities and Rada and other government buildings should've been finished last year already. Ukrainians left without electricity, train transport and with shortage of everything would put additional pressure on own government and also EU. This travesty of every Tom, Dick and Harry visiting Kiev like on a tourist trip would not happen at all.
This latest escalation should be a fait accompli for incinerating Rzeszów. And that was supposed to be telegraphed ahead, so there's no doubt why it happened when it does.
This more and more looks like a total war and for the big part it is still treated as SMO by Russian government.  If they are really serious about this, mobilization of, at least, another 500k should be announced and economy should go to war footing along with proclamation of marshal law in the country. NATO needs to understand that Russia is not playing around.

flamming_python wrote:
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Russia's going to know anyway. The mass Russian missile attack against the Ukraine yesterday was no co-incidence either.
So you might as well announce it and make it official

flamming_python wrote:

And the next step, ALAMO, that NATO will take after it figures out that it can simply fire missiles into Russia at will, will be to take out Putin say over international airspace, take out other members of the Russian government or perhaps the military leadership.

Not to mention Ukrainian nukes.

flamming_python wrote:
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And the next step, ALAMO, that NATO will take after it figures out that it can simply fire missiles into Russia at will, will be to take out Putin say over international airspace, take out other members of the Russian government or perhaps the military leadership.

Not to mention Ukrainian nukes.