GarryB wrote:
They launched 6 super uber weapons and caused a small fire that was put out... perhaps by your salty tears.
They have stepped on the mine and there was no explosion but is it on a timer or do they have to take their foot off before it will explode?
The line has been crossed and now Putin can do as he pleases up to and including nuclear weapons use.
What I think is actually most likely is that the plans to stop at Russian territory will be changed and the buffer zone will now be 350km and the war will continue much longer and there will be no peace talks while long range weapons are being used by the enemy.
If long range weapons are to allow negotiations from a position of strength then no negotiations makes that meaningless.
All of that amounts to a non-response and will only further embolden Western leaders and convince them that Putin is all talk
Which is hardly ideal. Yes Putin will eventually be obligated to respond, but by that time we really will end up in WW3 with no room for maneuver.
Nobody in the West cares about Russia and its nuclear doctrines or its position on negotiations. The former because NATO doesn't believe Putin will ever use them. The later because they have literally spent the last year deciding between themselves what demands they will threaten Moscow with. Kiev objected on some points, they made the demands firmer, and so on. Then they arrived at a unified position and have now presented Moscow with an ultimatum.
You're saying that what will impress them is if Putin commits to calling off the theoretical possibility of something that's not happening anyway - that being Russian-Western negotiations.
In fact Putin already called them off when the Ukraine invaded the Kursk region (only for Shoigu to walk that back a little later). And if that wasn't enough, then Zelensky mouthing off about getting nukes again certainly was. There can be no negotiations or agreements that leave such a regime in place, full stop.
The ATACMS strikes in turn, are a separate issue that have nothing to do with the Ukraine except for the fact that they're being launched from its territory. And it requires a response directly to NATO.
LMFS wrote:In that regard, I will not speculate on how they can respond to the ongoing aggression, since there are enough painful ways of doing this. But it would be indeed much better to identify the individuals behind this particular decision and make sure they will not enjoy a happy retirement, than to derail any possibility to have a less confrontational relationship with the next US administration, which is exactly the goal that the outgoing administration is seeking.
That amounts to a non-response too
Western leaders are not interested in any future hints pertaining to their personal harm (which will never materialize in any case) by a Russian regime that they are convinced they will overthrow or destroy.
No such thing will deter them from escalating things further once they figure out that Russia won't enforce its own red lines.
Firebird wrote:Its not about sq km.
Its about how much trash has been destroyed.
And a LOT of trash has been destroyed.
Its not the end of the Pukraine operation.
But we are certainly seeing the BEGINNING of the end of it.
If the Banderaturds want to keep fighting... and dying. Fine.
And Russia has a zillion options to "return the favour" of the proxy war.
Objectively speaking this war can still go on for 12-18 months. Especially if Zelensky lowers the conscription age further, which he will.
And over that time, in fact in little time at all, the range and scope of NATO missile strikes against Russia can steadily increase.
It also can definitely not be excluded that NATO will introduce ground forces once Russian forces advance to the Dnepr or threaten Odessa.
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Denmark announces €130 million package for Ukraine, 19 more F-16s
Forget about any conventional attack on NATO. Unless the Kremlin changes power.
