The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

flamming_python wrote:Now I'm convinced, this guy IS Silent Bob.

In all the pics, videos I've seen of him, I've never spotted him saying a single word, and even when a face to face interview was conducted with him - it took great effort to get more than a single word out of him; he was resisting with all his might, for the first 10 secs of the video it looked like he might collapse under the strain and social pressure

Russia Holds "De-Dollarization Meeting": China, Iran Willing To Drop USD From Bilateral Trade

That Russia has been pushing for trade arrangements that minimize the participation (and influence) of the US dollar ever since the onset of the Ukraine crisis (and before) is no secret: this has been covered extensively on these pages before (see Gazprom Prepares "Symbolic" Bond Issue In Chinese Yuan; Petrodollar Alert: Putin Prepares To Announce "Holy Grail" Gas Deal With China; Russia And China About To Sign "Holy Grail" Gas Deal; 40 Central Banks Are Betting This Will Be The Next Reserve Currency; From the Petrodollar to the Gas-o-yuan and so on).

But until now much of this was in the realm of hearsay and general wishful thinking. After all, surely it is "ridiculous" that a country can seriously contemplate to exist outside the ideological and religious confines of the Petrodollar... because if one can do it, all can do it, and next thing you know the US has hyperinflation, social collapse, civil war and all those other features prominently featured in other socialist banana republics like Venezuela which alas do not have a global reserve currency to kick around.

Or so the Keynesian economists, aka tenured priests of said Petrodollar religion, would demand that the world believe.

However, as much as it may trouble the statists to read, Russia is actively pushing on with plans to put the US dollar in the rearview mirror and replace it with a dollar-free system. Or, as it is called in Russia, a "de-dollarized" world.

Voice of Russia reports citing Russian press sources that the country's Ministry of Finance is ready to greenlight a plan to radically increase the role of the Russian ruble in export operations while reducing the share of dollar-denominated transactions. Governmental sources believe that the Russian banking sector is "ready to handle the increased number of ruble-denominated transactions".

According to the Prime news agency, on April 24th the government organized a special meeting dedicated to finding a solution for getting rid of the US dollar in Russian export operations. Top level experts from the energy sector, banks and governmental agencies were summoned and a number of measures were proposed as a response for American sanctions against Russia.

Well, if the west wanted Russia's response to ever escalating sanctions against the country, it is about to get it.

The "de-dollarization meeting” was chaired by First Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Igor Shuvalov, proving that Moscow is very serious in its intention to stop using the dollar. A subsequent meeting was chaired by Deputy Finance Minister Alexey Moiseev who later told the Rossia 24 channel that "the amount of ruble-denominated contracts will be increased”, adding that none of the polled experts and bank representatives found any problems with the government's plan to increase the share of ruble payments.

Further, if you thought that only Obama can reign supreme by executive order alone, you were wrong - the Russians can do it just as effectively. Enter the "currency switch executive order":

It is interesting that in his interview, Moiseev mentioned a legal mechanism that can be described as "currency switch executive order”, telling that the government has the legal power to force Russian companies to trade a percentage of certain goods in rubles. Referring to the case when this level may be set to 100%, the Russian official said that "it's an extreme option and it is hard for me to tell right now how the government will use these powers".

Well, as long as the options exists.

But more importantly, none of what Russia is contemplating would have any practical chance of implementation if it weren't for other nations who would engage in USD-free bilateral trade relations. Such countries, however, do exist and it should come as a surprise to nobody that the two which have already stepped up are none other than China and Iran.

Of course, the success of Moscow's campaign to switch its trading to rubles or other regional currencies will depend on the willingness of its trading partners to get rid of the dollar. Sources cited by Politonline.ru mentioned two countries who would be willing to support Russia: Iran and China. Given that Vladimir Putin will visit Beijing on May 20, it can be speculated that the gas and oil contracts that are going to be signed between Russia and China will be denominated in rubles and yuan, not dollars.

In other words, in one week's time look for not only the announcement of the Russia-China "holy grail" gas agreement described previously here, but its financial terms, which now appears virtually certain will be settled exclusively in RUB and CNY. Not USD.

And as we have explained repeatedly in the past, the further the west antagonizes Russia, and the more economic sanctions it lobs at it, the more Russia will be forced away from a USD-denominated trading system and into one which faces China and India. Which is why next week's announcement, as groundbreaking as it most certainly will be, is just the beginning.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-13/russia-holds-de-dollarization-meeting-china-iran-willing-drop-usd-bilateral-trade

macedonian wrote:Russian missile ship barred from Israeli port over Ukraine crisis
Official said Israel strives to maintain neutrality in the big powers’ confrontation over Ukraine.

macedonian wrote:You might wander who is the US ambassador to Sweden?
Well his name is Mark Brzezinski. And if that surname sounds at all familiar -
YES he is the son of the renown Russia hater Zbigniew Brzezinski. Blood is thicker than water, I guess...

I'm starting to think that *maybe* the first strategic achievement planned by the US was to distance the EU from Russia, and Ukraine was merely of secondary strategic importance.

etaepsilonk wrote:By internet translator:

Zdorov.Tsarev : Hi .
Kolomoysky : Where are you? There yet?
Tsarev : Ibid .
Kolomoysky : How are you?
Tsarev : Good.
Kolomoysky : There's big trouble happened . Jew killed one of the Dnepropetrovsk Jewish community.
Tsarev : What happened there ?
Kolomoysky : Well , a Jew killed one of the Dnepropetrovsk Jewish community . Here , I am now in the synagogue .
Tsarev : What was he doing there ?
Kolomoysky : Well , no matter what he did. Said in your head now give , damn , big money.
Tsarev : For my own?
Kolomoysky : Million dollars. For your . Yes. Moreover , they said , will be looking everywhere. Well, just say that this is w . I would like you to open you to Dynamo Moscow , will not the freedom.
Tsarev : I wanted you to say such a thing . In Africa, there are ...
Kolomoysky : Tomorrow will catch your people here .
Tsarev : In Africa, there is such a ... such a poison ...
Kolomoysky : Look, I'm on the dick that is in Africa. You do not here these Mais tell . I'll tell you that in the synagogue on the eve of the Sabbath was a prayer . Prayed for the slain , the Shlemkevicha fellow Jew who was killed in Mariupol, damn .
Tsarev : So ...
Kolomoysky : And they said that to blame Tsarev, damn . And tomorrow the first whore , will seek all your loved ones, damn . You tell me that they Get the fuck out of here the better. Because we will hang them right on the square , damn ... I'm saying , you know , you tell me more Markov, so he did not go here . Well, in the Ukraine. Under any circumstances . Allo .
Tsarev : Do not call me . Do not call me , Igor.
Kolomoysky : Do not you call? Everything. Come on . Poka.Tsarev : Come on . Everything.

   Oleg Tsarev confirmed portal "Man Online " the authenticity of the conversation with Kolomoiskiy

Telephone conversation President of the Association " Suppliers of the customs union " with Oleg Noginskogo Epstein , Honorary Consul of Israel in Ukraine

Jan: Allo.Noginsky : Hello. Ian Miller, goodnight . I apologize . Happy holiday . Did not wake you?
Ian : Well, that 's you. It's too early . Congratulations too. Peace, health ...
Noginsky : Ian Miller, calling on Nekhoroshev issue and very worried .
Jan: What is it?
Noginsky : Well, the 9th of May in Mariupol , you saw that was , huh? There was someone killed Mr. Shelemchak .
Ian : Who?
Noginsky : Jew from Dnepropetrovsk. At least , according to Kolomoyskogo . But worse - it's not the case, and that Mr. Tsarev Kolomoysky called and informed about the following verbatim , that today all the synagogues of Ukraine listing given to all the rights of Jews , that a million a head Tsarev and Russian separatists. When I heard " synagogue " ...
Ian : Yeah, well , it's some nonsense . I just know ... ( nerazbochivo ) . Today I was in the synagogue . Today we were praying . It was , so to speak ...
Noginsky : Ian Miller, I 'm not talking about that , of course, in the synagogues, it was not. But when talking about it ... I do not know his speech was written or not written . If this question pops up in the press, you can imagine what will happen?
Jan: Namely for Tsarev ?
Noginsky : Yes . Million dollars on his head. And that tomorrow will hang his family. His relatives.
Noginsky : Listen , I literally ... That's , you know, Oleg - anyone, but he never lies . And he sent me this night , and he was in great shock. And I already confirmed even the person who was next to him , and heard the conversation.
Jan: Horror . No, I do not understand how can a Jew ... Jews in general, so to speak, never imagined anything like this should not , in principle, allow ... He personally called ?

Noginsky : Yes . He loves. He Markov ( Ukrainian MP Markov Igor O. ) here recently called, telling me how it will burn in Odessa when he arrives . He has fun. I do not know , I have a feeling that he was crazy - to be honest . And fully confirmed the fact that here in Odessa , he hired these guys . Completely. And in order to install Mace ( governor of Odessa region, Igor Mace ) governor. I have even BYuTovskom headquarters ... They confirmed the situation got out of control. The task was to beat them , otmutuzit to be taken to the hospital and completely destroy the camp .
Ian : Well, in general , you know , there avakovtsy . Here is the company could do it all .
Noginsky : Well, there was an agreement . If you already have ... (inaudible) ... remains , in principle, announced. There was an agreement . He came , he said: " What are you bothering with this Odessa ? " There's also worth it " Kulikovo Field " all the time , non-stop ... " Come on, You give me Odessa , and will just as in Dnepropetrovsk ." Type , not one mouse had no idea it puts out . He said : "Good."
Ian : He's already come to Odessa . He's been in Odessa .
Noginsky : He's there now . And deals with the fact that there is , on the one hand, for the last three days killed 16 people out of those who were arrested and remained alive after the " House of Trade Unions ." Two killed under the house. Well, and so on.
Ian : Well, I just , Oleg , I know, just can not believe that Benny can do this .
Noginsky : A feeling that he was crazy . Now here , let Korban very actively trying to take away property from Tsarev . Well , I'm not talking about it .
Ian : I just do not know him , so I can not say anything . I do not know him .
Noginsky : Well, this one full of Beni ... And there Filatov and Muscovites and pays announced today. I just ... Ian Miller, the fact that Benin case - this case Beni . He can do anything . If he imagines himself a second Hitler ... Well , we will have , I think , the second Nazi Germany on a small piece of territory of Ukraine , Benya - multimillionaire and owner of this site. But what will happen to the Jews throughout the rest of the world ... I just think that we need some way of this process immediately suspended already publicly.
Yang: In what sense? By what process ?
Noginsk From Kolomoyskogo . From Beni .
Ian : Well, and how?
Noginsky : Just to inform you that in this case the world Jewish community , first : has nothing to do with your personal Mr Kolomoisky . Second : a) does not support any Odessa, Mariupol neither , nor any of those here , and expresses sincere sympathy . And third, says that if one of the Jews will be seen in Nazi crimes , then we will fight first.
Jan: Thank God , now all more or less in this regard was calm.
Noginsky : Especially because of one man who decided to become a billionaire , or imagines himself a multibillionaire owner of Ukraine ....
Ian : No, the question is that of the synagogue , they ... Synagogues should always be all of these cases in the side at all. Synagogue - a house of assembly , this prayer institution. It should deal with the fact that Jews engage in the spiritual world . That's all. That's it , so to speak , the case . That's it. A deal , so to speak , policies to deal with such things and maintain ...
Noginsky : I mean ... Just, you know , I have a feeling that , unfortunately, stand aside we did not quite succeed.
Jan: How - how?
Noginsky : defend not work. Incidentally, I asked Oleg it 's not posting . His first thought was to make it public.
Yang : None . So he thereby , of course, immediately begins to roll forward the Jews , definitely. Vot.Noginsky : What do you mean ? It starts crazy inking . Moreover , they will start to roll around the world.

macedonian wrote:Yeah, thanks.
My understanding of Russian is far better than my understanding of google translate. Thanks for trying to help anyway.

Just wasn't sure if it implied that Kolomoyskyi arranged for the atrocity in Odessa as a revenge that a Jew was killed in Mariupol.
And if it was him personally, or the "Jewish community?!" that offered a million dollars for the head of Oleg Tsarov and anyone from his family.

The second conversation is more straightforward and seems to be between two (also) Jewish people who disapprove of using the Synagogues as a stage for offering the bounty on Oleg Tsarov's head. Much more cool-headed people than that Kolomoyskyi fucker.

arpakola wrote:

macedonian wrote:Yeah, thanks.
My understanding of Russian is far better than my understanding of google translate. Thanks for trying to help anyway.

Just wasn't sure if it implied that Kolomoyskyi arranged for the atrocity in Odessa as a revenge that a Jew was killed in Mariupol.
And if it was him personally, or the "Jewish community?!" that offered a million dollars for the head of Oleg Tsarov and anyone from his family.

The second conversation is more straightforward and seems to be between two (also) Jewish people who disapprove of using the Synagogues as a stage for offering the bounty on Oleg Tsarov's head. Much more cool-headed people than that Kolomoyskyi fucker.

It seems that the Party of Reagons.. is left with no reagons any more and billionere  party scams.. turning to support Kiev thugs..

The men, dressed in irregular fatigues and with balaclavas pulled over their heads, fingered their Kalashnikovs nervously and jumped at every unusual sound. Eager to aid their country's military struggle, the so-called Donbas volunteer battalion was ready to fight, but appeared to be short on training.

The battalion commander, Semyon Semenchenko, a 40-year-old from Donetsk with a degree in film-making, insisted that he and all his men had combat experience, from the Ukrainian or Soviet armies. They are all volunteers, receiving zero salary from either the state or oligarchs, he said, claiming they live off their own savings and donations from patriotic Ukrainians, who transfer them money after reading about them on social media.

"Our state needs defending, and we decided that if the army could not do it, we should do it ourselves," said Semenchenko, during a meeting with the Guardian outside the town of Mariupol, where his men were based and offering support to regular units of the Ukrainian army in their fight against armed separatists in the region.

Volunteers are recruited from western Ukraine and Kiev, and more quietly, within the east itself. A self-published newspaper in Donetsk gives the phone number where "Ukrainian patriots" can sign up for the volunteer battalions; its editor has gone into hiding to avoid being kidnapped by the separatist fighters. Volunteers undergo training in neighbouring Dnepropetrovsk region, and their battalions can be brought under the command of the interior ministry, allowing them to operate legally. Nevertheless, the training period can be as little as 50 hours, before the volunteers are put into real combat situations.

Arming troops with almost no real training and sending them into extremely sensitive situations where they may be shot at with weapons from within crowds, largely made up of angry but unarmed civilians, sounds like a recipe for disaster.

With the new militias often fighting in unmarked uniforms, it has sometimes been difficult even to identify who they are. In one incident during Sunday's unrecognised referendums on independence, a group of militiamen arrived in the town of Krasnoarmeisk, supposedly to stop people from voting.

They said they were from the "Dnepr" volunteer battalion, a similar outfit to the Donbas battalion, made up of volunteers and trained in neighbouring Dnepropetrovsk region, funded by the local governor-oligarch, Ihor Kolomoysky.

There was shouting and aggression from the crowd about the men who had disrupted the voting. At one point, several people lunged towards them, unarmed, and the men shot into the air. The volley of bullets did nothing to placate the crowd, and the men kept shooting, a look of panic on their faces. The incident ended with two civilians dead, and later the Dnepr battalion claimed its forces had never been there.

Exactly who the men were remains unclear, and the Ukrainian government has said it will investigate. Photographs from the event appear to show one of the deputy leaders of Right Sector involved in the incident.

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Odessa-Massacre-code-name-Ha%E2%80%99ola-Hebrew

Ha’ola” – from the phrase “Mizbeach Ha’ola”, which in Hebrew means “the altar of burnt offering”.

The information provided below was obtained from an insider in one of Ukraine’s law-enforcement agencies, who wished to remain anonymous for obvious reasons. It is clear that there are people even within the interim administration in Kiev who are against of what happened in Odessa on May 2 and throughout the whole country.

Scheming

After the loss of Crimea and the popular uprising in Mariupol, Odessa is now Ukraine’s only gateway to the sea, thus making it the most important city in the country after Kiev.

Ten days before the tragedy a secret meeting was held in Kiev, chaired by the incumbent president Olexander Turchinov, to prepare a special operation in Odessa. Present were minister of internal affairs Arsen Avakov, the head of the Ukrainian Security Service Valentin Nalivaychenko, and the secretary of the National Security and Defense Council Andriy Parubiy. Ukrainian oligarch Ihor Kolomoiskiy, the Kiev-appointed head of regional administration of the Dnepropetrovsk region, was consulted in regard to the operation.

During that meeting Arsen Avakov has reportedly came up with the idea of using football hooligans, known as “ultras,” in the operation. Ever since his time as the head of the Kharkov regional administration he has worked closely with the fans leaders, whom he continued to sponsor even from his new home in Italy.

Kolomoisky temporarily delivered his private “Dnieper-1” Battalion under the command of law-enforcement officials in Odessa and also authorized a cash payment of $5,000 for “each pro-Russian separatist” killed during the special operation.

Cont., w/many hyperlinks and videos within - http://orientalreview.org/2014/05/14/blo...f-ukraine/
We have it in our power to begin the world over again. ~ Thomas Paine
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Vann7 wrote:

I will not be surprised at all , if NATO try to exploit once more the "anti semitism" issue in Ukraine one more time..
with a fabricated event ,but against the Pro Russian Forces.. intead of the neo nazis , they twist everything in any shamefully way.

New Conflict in Kiev: Ochlocrat Timoshenko against Oligarch Poroshenko
Dmitry MININ | 12.05.2014 | 00:00
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/05/12/new-conflict-kiev-ochlocrat-timoshenko-against-poroshenko.html

As the Ukrainian pseudo election on May 25 is drawing near, one more conflict adds to the mess the country is in. The two leading candidates loyal to the regime have clashed. Billionaire Peotr Poroshenko, the leader of the race, is opposing Ukraine’s former Prime Minister Yulia Timoshenko who said that she was the only politician in Ukraine capable of conducting political reforms the country badly needs. Speaking at a news conference in Nikolayev, Timoshenko put it quite straight: if the country elects other candidate, there will be no avoiding a «third round of revolution, «I do not want to bear responsibility for the failure of the revolution any longer,» she said. «But if the country elects other president, and, as a matter of fact, I have only one rival now, I think we will have to venture the third round of revolution. Because otherwise I don’t see any chance for changes. I simply know all these people».

The split is between the oligarchy striving to cement the victory won at Maidan and the instrument it used to reach the goal – the energy of mob leading to the installation of ochlocracy. The ruling tycoons still need mobs, especially against the background of people’s resistance in the South-East, but they want to exercise more control over the ruling regime. Ranting and raving Timoshenko scares those who are accustomed to be masters of life by calling for «war till victory is won». She adroitly manipulates baser instincts of mobs. Her behavior, the funny stories about throwing crutches away or the threats to use nuclear weapons against Russians, as well as stunningly mydriatic pupils of her eyes staring at interlocutors while she is talking – it all makes experts believe that they deal with steady delirium provoked by drugs, or even psychological anomaly. But after all nobody else but Timoshenko is the one who to call the shots in Ukraine at present. She heads the party that the two top leaders – acting prime minister Yatsenyuk and interim president Turchinov – belong to. No wonder the country is in such a mess.

But why this home-grown Valkyria, which publicly demonstrates her derring-do, is so much afraid of Poroshenko coming to power? The constitution limits the presidential power; the «chocolate king» was a leading Maidan sponsor and never deviated from the ideas of Ukrainian nationalism or whatever. The Timoshenko’s affirmations that she does not like oligarchs for the reasons of social class divisions sound really ridiculous. The newly emerged Joan of Arc with a braid is not prone to asceticism. Nobody doubts she has pocketed enough money that belongs to Ukrainian people, no matter former president Yanukovych pushed hard line on her. In Great Britain they have recently discovered 85 accounts totaling 85 million pounds. Timoshenko is jittery realizing the oligarchs will finally crack down on the odious leaders of ochlocracy and she is the prime target.

If the election takes place on May 25, the new president will have a formidable weapon – the control over law enforcement agencies that are investigating the massacres and provocations that have taken place during the Maidan protests, in Odessa and Mariupol. Poroshenko may get information on perpetrators. It does not mean he will make it public; the bloody trace is leading to his money too. But it was hardly him who gave the concrete orders. So he will use the information to ultimately get rid of opponents. Timoshenko needs the investigation to be postponed for at least a few years to make the traces fade away. After all her party Batkivshchyna was the driving force of the coup staged in Ukraine, nothing is taking place without her leader’s approval. The very devilish intrigue of Ukrainian blood performance could have been born only in somebody’s extremely perverse and inflamed mind – among all the Ukrainian politicians Yulia Timoshenko is the only one to possess it.

General Pinochet or she-devil wearing a skirt, as they call it in Ukraine, Timoshenko has no wish to get behind bars again. Neither does she want to lose the reins; the lust for power is in her blood. She’ll go to any length to reach the goal even if it means plunging Ukraine into abyss. Illegal armed formations are mushrooming across the country, at that she is creating an army of her own – National Salvation Front with best military thinkers and seasoned professionals filling the top positions. The strength of Julia’s army is around ten thousand and the formation appears to be getting ready for the third revolution. The Poroshenko and Timoshenko have by and large the same stances on Russia but she has already painted her competitor in the race as a national traitor. As she told Svoboda Slova (Freedom of Speech) TV program, no coalition with Poroshenko is possible. She accuses him of being in collusion with Moscow-oriented gas tycoon Dmitry Firtash. According to her, they made a deal in Vienna where Firtash was kept behind bars. After thorough investigation Russia lifted trade bans on the shipment of confectionery products of the Ukrainian corporation Roshen that were imposed by Russia’s Federal Service for Supervision of Consumer Rights Protection and Human Welfare. Roshen belongs to Poroshenko and the fact makes Timoshenko suspicious. The Simferopol shipyard formally also belongs to the «chocolate tycoon», though in practice it’s out of his control. The facility has recently signed a $136 million ship repair contract with Russia. The leader of Batkivschyna party saw it as a reason to accuse Poroshenko of treason.

The Timoshenko’s escapades and extravaganza start to scare the West. She blackmails the European Union and the United States threatening to stage another maidan. She wants to become the darling of the West and make it offer military aid to Ukraine so that it could wage war against Russia. Timoshenko would not stop before provoking a clash between the United States and Russia pursuing the goal of clinching power. In comparison with her even Poroshenko and CIA analysts appear to be moderate. Many thousands of human lives depend on what this drug addict says or does. On April 18 Timoshenko asked the US Congress for military aid including air defense and anti-armor systems as well as personnel training.

Some US congressmen let know that she’d better leave the race. Yulia pinned hope on her gift of eloquence to make the US administration support her. Her visit to the United States was slated for April 9-11. Her representatives had held at least three meetings with US lawmakers before the planned date. Formally the purpose of meetings was to express gratitude for the US support in the days Timoshenko was in jail. Jim Slattery, head of Wiley Rein LLP 20-member public policy group and a former U.S. Congressman was involved in preparations. Ultimately the visit was suspended. According to estimations, the «needy» Timoshenko spent $1.050.000 for lobbying purposes in the United States.

Ukrainian oligarchs of the Poroshenko's team are not wasting time. On May 6 another coup attempt took place in Verkhovna Rada going unnoticed by public. The UDAR party came forward with an initiative to elect Poroshenko speaker of parliament and acting president instead of Turchinov. It suggested that Turchinov and Arsen Avakov, acting Minister of Internal Affairs, were to be dismissed while the head of SBU (special service) Valentin Nalivaichenko was to hold his position as a creature of UDAR and the CIA. Before the motion mutual understanding concerning the issue was reached between members of the Party of Regions and its two split fractions, independent MPs and some Batkivshchyna deputies concerned over vibrant activities of their party leader. Communists were ready to support the idea of ousting the interim government but refused to support the appointment of tycoon Poroshenko (no matter their votes were not decisive). Formally the reason was to be the failure of «anti-terrorist operation». The presidential election was to be postponed till autumn so that the «constitutional order» could be restored. At that the Ukraine’s government and the US embassy recommended to stop fiddling with new coups, they believed that Moscow could gain in case the oligarchs and ochlocrats clashed.

A head-on collision is avoided at the time, but the clash between the two forces with uncertain outcome and obviously negative fallout for the country is ahead. Commenting on the situation MP Spiridon Kilinkarov noted that, «Ochlocracy means the power of mob which inevitably leads to dictatorship. It’s the most horrible thing. As a rule, when events unfold this way, a country is in for tough rule by iron hand».