The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

What happened to the 7th soldier killed in yesterday's ambush? Did he die on the spot or succumb to the wounds later on?

As Sa'iqa wrote:What happened to the 7th soldier killed in yesterday's ambush? Did he die on the spot or succumb to the wounds later on?

It was announced 6 soldiers killed and several others wounded ,one in critical condition. I suppose he died in hospital.

Vann7 wrote:VICE news is a total mystery , they something fabricate reports ,sometimes they do good ones.. seems like the new journalist
in Ukraine is more neutral than Simon ..and no reporting things as they are..

A good report of the referendum..



on a side note.. im somehow impressed how much the Donetsk people have done with so little resources,in terms to maintain the kiev army more or less at distance on top of pulling a referendum with near 3 millions voting. Im without words how could they do it. Perhaps the Pressure of OSCE on kiev to scale down things could have something to do..  After the last VICE report ,it now looks like a real thing ,the creation of a new republic. Im now on the believe they are about to make it.. after all. However still think the end of the war with kiev army is not over. we will see... What i will like to see is all Ukraine in a rebelion against Kiev and NATO totally losing control of it..and at least all Eastern Ukraine and south seeking to join the donetsk republic. That will leave NATO only in control of the western part of Ukraine up to kiev.  Regions like Kharkiv ,Kherson and Odessa ,mariupol , totally in control of the pro Russians. And as a bonus all the border regions close to Russia and all regions near black sea.  And that NATO cannot go further than kiev. And once they control Odessa ,'trasmitia'  in moldova could join Russia federation for once.    Something like that will be a major blow back to the west , Russia moving closer to kiev and in full control of their black sea side.

a New republic like this..



Will be very nice for Russia ,if they choose to join custom unions and have share a common defense as Belarussia do with Russia.

Not at all mystery I would say.
propaganda and lies to be efective  must be covered with a lot of truths..
Siemon Ostrofsky , was doing a very good Job on that as a NATO proxy operator.
In every single Video .. the first 70-80% were say "subjective".. but at the end  he was completing his contract job , with the desired propaganda .

he was so clever ... that in the period of Crimea uprising .. to justify the opinion that Russia is involved .. after his report .. the cameramen focused on a spare weel tire, a truck had on the back. He scracthed the dust .. and .. it was writing >> MADE IN RUSSIA << .. he made not coments.. he said .. Ohhh well..

These type of people are skiled provocators..
That new guy is more carefull at the moment  as Ostrofsky became redigulus after all. They are collecting "subjectiveness" at the moment I guess. But never trust them.

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http://en.itar-tass.com/developments-in-south-eastern-ukraine/731488

DONETSK, May 13 /ITAR-TASS/. Pavel Gubarev, the people’s governor of Ukraine’s eastern Donetsk region, has announced his plans to found his own party, Novorossia, with a headquarters in Donetsk, the local media reported on Tuesday.
“The new political system of the Donetsk People’s Republic should have nothing in common with Ukraine’s previous oligarchic policy,” Gubarev said. “To realize these principles, I, on my own behalf, announce the establishment of a new party, Novorossia [Novorussia is a historical term referring to territory that acceded to the Russian Empire in the 1700s and made part of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, part of the former Soviet Union, in 1922]. Its head office will be located in Donetsk.”
This political association, according to Gubarev, would unite people who had approved themselves as “true patriots and defenders of their motherland.” “A founding congress of the party will soon be held in Donetsk. We will announce our charter, ideology and development strategy at this congress,” he noted.  

Yesterday's ambush near Kramatorsk:








http://instagram.com/vasilymaximov


hits with mortars..?

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Recent ambush near Kramatorsk. Ukraine troops arrive at scene.






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R.S. shows up again

here in rescuing operation


here in Odessa

http://donetsk-gov.su/

http://vk.com/dnr_official

http://www.dnrnovosti.com/

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Looks like the Pro Independence forces managed to destroy the Mortar artillery that was hitting their positions in that last ambush..



In another note.. it seems NATO is in evaluation mode of the Donetsk forces.. capabilities..
Because could be very easy for them to send hundreds of mercenaries in every town in the east.. but until now what we
see is small groups on Ukrainians forces poorly armed and with mediocre tactics.

IF i were to guess they are just sending small groups firsts of rookies to scan the area and later they will show up
in big numbers with drones support. Im surprised we have not seen yet NATO attack drones in Ukraine being used to assist
the Ukraine army with air cover.

Ha ha, a Royal Flush. Read 'em and weep Ukraine, cos this is how you gonna be treated from now on:


‘Peed in public, behave like occupiers’: Latvian mayor complains about NATO sailors

RT wrote:Crewmembers of NATO warships deployed to the Latvian port city of Ventspils are behaving like occupying forces, who don’t consider local laws apply to them, the mayor of the city charged. This discredits the alliance in the eyes of Latvians, he added.

“NATO sailors in Ventspils were behaving like pigs, ignored Latvian laws and municipal rules,” Aivars Lembergs told LETA news agency. “Drunk, they urinated in public, right on shop windows, vomited, drank in public, which is not allowed. They picked flowers from flowerbeds and gave them to prostitutes.”

Lembergs, a vocal critic of Latvia’s cooperation with NATO, added that the foreign military personnel “behaved like occupiers, who do not recognize Latvia’s sovereignty.”

The unflattering description comes as the mayor was commenting on an incident in Ventspils, in which several NATO sailors clashed with locals at a night club last weekend. One of the sailors, a 21-year-old Dutch national, sustained serious injuries and had to be taken to hospital with several broken face bones and a concussion.

And that's by far not the worst they can expect.
Just ask how many 12,13,14 year olds were raped by US soldiers on Okinawa...
NATO for ya.

Vann7 wrote:Im surprised we have not seen yet NATO attack drones in Ukraine being used to assist
the Ukraine army with air cover.

You know, there is only one situation where such a scenario can hypothetically happen, but I can't talk about that kind of situation on a forum.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Vann7 wrote:Im surprised we have not seen yet NATO attack drones in Ukraine being used to assist
the Ukraine army with air cover.

You know, there is only one situation where such a scenario can hypothetically happen, but I can't talk about that kind of situation on a forum.

Υοu see, they want the job done by proxy thugs and mercenaries. They dont want to involve NATO at least first , because that would imply full Russian justified reaction.

The ukranian army still has capabilities for supression . The problem is the elections on 25th May
Can a country claim having legitimate elections in this situation ?

I thing that some brain in Kiev , beg for a Russian invasion, so they can justify all the dirty thing in their mind and get rid of the problem of election legitimacy

WOW, pretty serious this:

Russia has serious suspicions US mercenaries used in South-East of Ukraine

Russia also wants to understand how helicopters with UN markings were used against protesters in the South-East

TASS wrote:Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov called for investigating the use by Kiev of helicopters with UN markings during the security operation in the South-East of Ukraine.

He believes that Ukraine has come as close to civil war as never before.

Russia wants to understand how helicopters with UN markings were used against protesters in the South-East, Lavrov told Bloomberg on Wednesday, May 14.

Russia has suspicions that mercenaries from the United States are acting in the South-East of Ukraine.

United Nations examines recent media reports that helicopters with UN identification marks have been involved in the Ukrainian military operation near Kramatorsk.

If it is confirmed, it would mean that Kiev authorities violated agreements concluded with international organization.

I mean this is not Voice of Russia or Pravda, we're talking about but TASS!
Full article here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BUeNFKQ350o


LIVE KIEV
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the clown of DonBuss




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http://donetsk-gov.su/
http://vk.com/dnr_official
http://www.dnrnovosti.com/

ATO as seen from Kiev's side:



And news:

EU prepares ban on European carriers’ flights to Crimea
European carriers made practically no flights to Crimea even before its accession to Russia

TASS wrote:BRUSSELS, May 14. /ITAR-TASS/. The European Union is getting ready to impose a ban on flight to Crimea for European airlines, as the EU does not recognize its accession to Russia, EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton’s spokesperson said on Wednesday.

According to Maya Kocijancic, the foreign ministers of 28 European Union countries discussed the issue at their meeting in Brussels on Monday.

Meanwhile, European carriers made practically no flights to Crimea even before its accession to Russia. Only Turkish Airways, AtlasJet and Uzbekistan operated regular flights to the then Ukrainian region.

After the referendum on March 16, 2014, the Ukrainian aviation authorities closed the airports of Simferopol and Sevastopol for flights, insisting that Crimea was Ukraine’s territory. In April, Eurocontrol, the European Organization for the Safety of Air Navigation, banned flights to the airports of Simferopol and Sevastopol, as well as transit flights via the Crimean airspace.

Kiev should immediately launch political dialogue with protesting regions — deputy FM

TASS wrote:VIENNA, May 14. /ITAR-TASS/. Authorities in Kiev should immediately launch a political dialogue with the regions that have declared independence from Ukraine, Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said Wednesday in an interview with Iranian news agency Tasnim.

“I think the viewpoints of people who took part in well-organized democratic referendums, and the fact was shown to the whole world, should be respected, and the Kiev authorities should immediately begin political dialogue with the regions that have declared their sovereignty and independence,” he said.

“I think the Organization for Security and Cooperation Europe (OSCE) might play a role in this (dialogue),” Ryabkov said. “As for the EU, it would be highly desirable for it to work with more responsibility rather than through the policy of sanctions.”

The EU should wield the policies, which might influence the authorities in Kiev, he said, adding that it was important for Kiev to espouse a more reasonable line of conduct towards the regions.

“That’s our assessment and it fully applies to the US policies, too,” Ryabkov said.

macedonian wrote:Ha ha, a Royal Flush. Read 'em and weep Ukraine, cos this is how you gonna be treated from now on:


‘Peed in public, behave like occupiers’: Latvian mayor complains about NATO sailors

RT wrote:Crewmembers of NATO warships deployed to the Latvian port city of Ventspils are behaving like occupying forces, who don’t consider local laws apply to them, the mayor of the city charged. This discredits the alliance in the eyes of Latvians, he added.

“NATO sailors in Ventspils were behaving like pigs, ignored Latvian laws and municipal rules,” Aivars Lembergs told LETA news agency. “Drunk, they urinated in public, right on shop windows, vomited, drank in public, which is not allowed. They picked flowers from flowerbeds and gave them to prostitutes.”

Lembergs, a vocal critic of Latvia’s cooperation with NATO, added that the foreign military personnel “behaved like occupiers, who do not recognize Latvia’s sovereignty.”

The unflattering description comes as the mayor was commenting on an incident in Ventspils, in which several NATO sailors clashed with locals at a night club last weekend. One of the sailors, a 21-year-old Dutch national, sustained serious injuries and had to be taken to hospital with several broken face bones and a concussion.

And that's by far not the worst they can expect.
Just ask how many 12,13,14 year olds were raped by US soldiers on Okinawa...
NATO for ya.

its reading crap like this that would almost make me feel ashamed of calling myself a NATO veteran. im not responsible for any of them, but moral standards and requirements have gone down within NATO millitary's drastically to just keep the ranks filled.

Latvia's mayor has my support to throw my fellow countryman in the water near his ship next time he disgraces his uniform and navy.

and as NATO as a millitary force this simply works counter-productive, both that the local population gets a negative image of NATO and it needlessly agitates the Russians.

and i have to agree with Macedonian, even while i still was in service i never went to a place where the local population where happy to have foreign troops drunk in their city's and towns. i remember several exercises in Germany, Spain and Greece where NATO soldiers where barred from certain going-out locations. i really did not blame them either when i heard some behaved like total jackasses like described in the post of Macedonian. when i read "behaving like occupiers" i first tought it trough if that was really the right words.

but since ive seen myself 8 drunken NATO troops beating up two doormen that wanted to threw them out for harrasing people inside i sadly have to agree those are indeed the correct words.

macedonian wrote:Ha ha, a Royal Flush. Read 'em and weep Ukraine, cos this is how you gonna be treated from now on:


‘Peed in public, behave like occupiers’: Latvian mayor complains about NATO sailors

RT wrote:Crewmembers of NATO warships deployed to the Latvian port city of Ventspils are behaving like occupying forces, who don’t consider local laws apply to them, the mayor of the city charged. This discredits the alliance in the eyes of Latvians, he added.

“NATO sailors in Ventspils were behaving like pigs, ignored Latvian laws and municipal rules,” Aivars Lembergs told LETA news agency. “Drunk, they urinated in public, right on shop windows, vomited, drank in public, which is not allowed. They picked flowers from flowerbeds and gave them to prostitutes.”

Lembergs, a vocal critic of Latvia’s cooperation with NATO, added that the foreign military personnel “behaved like occupiers, who do not recognize Latvia’s sovereignty.”

The unflattering description comes as the mayor was commenting on an incident in Ventspils, in which several NATO sailors clashed with locals at a night club last weekend. One of the sailors, a 21-year-old Dutch national, sustained serious injuries and had to be taken to hospital with several broken face bones and a concussion.

And that's by far not the worst they can expect.
Just ask how many 12,13,14 year olds were raped by US soldiers on Okinawa...
NATO for ya.

To be honest I've worked with many  NATO soldiers and they are OK people. But I can't guarantee it for all as I've met more euros than yanks, only yanks I have met were officers or pilots. Must be different when it comes to sailors or seasoned grunts:D Someone has to teach them how to act POLITELY:D Where are their MPs? cause our MPs have no power against them..
Here fairly new picture from military town of Rukla.

Airbornewolf wrote:its reading crap like this that would almost make me feel ashamed of calling myself a NATO veteran. im not responsible for any of them, but moral standards and requirements have gone down within NATO millitary's drastically to just keep the ranks filled.

Latvia's mayor has my support to throw my fellow countryman in the water near his ship next time he disgraces his uniform and navy.

and as NATO as a millitary force this simply works counter-productive, both that the local population gets a negative image of NATO and it needlessly agitates the Russians.

and i have to agree with Macedonian, even while i still was in service i never went to a place where the local population where happy to have foreign troops drunk in their city's and towns. i remember several exercises in Germany, Spain and Greece where NATO soldiers where barred from certain going-out locations. i really did not blame them either when i heard some behaved like total jackasses like described in the post of Macedonian. when i read "behaving like occupiers" i first tought it trough if that was really the right words.

but since ive seen myself 8 drunken NATO troops beating up two doormen that wanted to threw them out for harrasing people inside i sadly have to agree those are indeed the correct words.

I actually don't blame the soldiers all that much, to be honest.
For one to keep 'a fighting spirit' alive there needs to be 'a drive'.
The most powerful of all is protecting (your family, country, compatriots) and (above all) the feeling that you're on the side of justice. On the 'side of righteousness' if you will.
Once you lose that, you need something else to fill in that gap of 'a drive'.
Don't judge these blokes too harsh. They are a product of an environment. Soldiers of an alliance that has a hard time justifying its existence.
It's actually sad that many people die for someone else's interests. And deep down these guys know this. This is merely their way to suppress it. After their (possible) deployment, they'll probably think the same way you do now.
What's even sadder - 'the Empire' will find someone else to take their place. And it will go round and round in circles, destroying many young mens lives.

(oh, and this post is under the influence of three Amstel beers. See - no hard feelings, I drink your beer even though ours is much better   )

night attack of national guard positions

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http://en.itar-tass.com/world/731604
Rally against rise of fascism in Ukraine due in Rome on Saturday

Soldiers on foreign soil tend to be unpopular in any capacity.

In Russia's case it has servicemen in Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Armenia, Belarus, Azerbaijan, Abkhazia, S. Ossetia, Pridnestrovie & Kazakhstan. 10 years ago it had forces in Georgia still and until very recently it had a huge number of personnel in the Ukraine.

I think in most if not all of those cases; there was a fairly positive attitude towards Russian servicemen on the part of the locals.
Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan - it was pretty much like their own guys, they are/were barely even thought of as foreign
S. Ossetia, Abkhazia, Pridnestrovie, Armenia, Tajikistan - they are happy to have them as they face threats from neighbouring regions/countries
Azerbaijan I don't know about but I've never heard anything negative
Attitude in Kyrgyzstan is fairly benign, locals are employed, etc...
And in Georgia the bases were situated in Armenian-populated areas and AFAIK the locals even protested against their own government when Saakashvilli ordered the Russians to leave, as those areas were pretty poor and the Russian military bases provided a good number of jobs for civilians.

However of course it has to be remembered, that this is all the ex-USSR; where most people speak Russian and Russians aren't thought of as completely foreign by any means.
I think what works to Russia's advantage too, is that for the most part these foreign military bases are staffed with older, married servicemen and specialists, who live there with their families and have no interests in mucking around.
The younger guys are also there but a lot of them are conscripts, who are kept under control and surviellance much tighter than contract servicemen in NATO countries let's say, so again - they just don't have much of an opportunity to screw around.

[quote="macedonian"]
EU prepares ban on European carriers’ flights to Crimea
European carriers made practically no flights to Crimea even before its accession to Russia

TASS wrote:BRUSSELS, May 14. /ITAR-TASS/. The European Union is getting ready to impose a ban on flight to Crimea for European airlines, as the EU does not recognize its accession to Russia, EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton’s spokesperson said on Wednesday.

I was planning to go to Kiev in the Winter.
Shit happens in Kiev.
I was planning to go to the Crimea in the Summer.
And shit happens in the Crimea (Oh well, I can go via Moscow/whatever).

Perhaps I should plan a trip to NY and Brussels.
Hopefully shit will happen there..

flamming_python wrote:Soldiers on foreign soil tend to be unpopular in any capacity.

In Russia's case it has servicemen in Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Armenia, Belarus, Azerbaijan, Abkhazia, S. Ossetia, Pridnestrovie & Kazakhstan. 10 years ago it had forces in Georgia still and until very recently it had a huge number of personnel in the Ukraine.

I think in most if not all of those cases; there was a fairly positive attitude towards Russian servicemen on the part of the locals.
Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan - it was pretty much like their own guys, they are/were barely even thought of as foreign
S. Ossetia, Abkhazia, Pridnestrovie, Armenia, Tajikistan - they are happy to have them as they face threats from neighbouring regions/countries
Azerbaijan I don't know about but I've never heard anything negative
Attitude in Kyrgyzstan is fairly benign, locals are employed, etc...
And in Georgia the bases were situated in Armenian-populated areas and AFAIK the locals even protested against their own government when Saakashvilli ordered the Russians to leave, as those areas were pretty poor and the Russian military bases provided a good number of jobs for civilians.

However of course it has to be remembered, that this is all the ex-USSR; where most people speak Russian and Russians aren't thought of as completely foreign by any means.
I think what works to Russia's advantage too, is that for the most part these foreign military bases are staffed with older, married servicemen and specialists, who live there with their families and have no interests in mucking around.
The younger guys are also there but a lot of them are conscripts, who are kept under control and surviellance much tighter than contract servicemen in NATO countries let's say, so again - they just don't have much of an opportunity to screw around.

http://13571113.blogspot.gr/2010/10/yamal-marines-spetses-28-oct-2010.html







Andrey Gugnyaev the military attache of the Russian embasy in Greece , represending Russia in the Spetses celebrations  on 28th of October (this is the date Greece celebrates .. the begining of WWII)

My father told me stories about what they used to do in Soviet military while they were stationed in Ukraine.. Those "war crimes" done by NATO soldiers in Latvia look similar what young conscripts did in their outside time. I was laughing my ass when he told me about how they were stealing few apples, pears, plums from "ogorod" and how local dedushka chased them of with pitchfork and went to complain to their batia But then again we can't compare 18 year old conscript who only had few roubles and was always hungry and bored and and professional soldier who gets paid well and chose this profession.
Just my 2 cents.
Ps. I'm still against NATO policies.

The bastards don't even hide it anymore, check this out!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-echochambers-27403003

And a stinging rebuff from the Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/shortcuts/2014/may/14/hunter-biden-job-board-ukraine-biggest-gas-producer-burisma

I'll say it yet again, f***the US! (should put this in my signature).

Now I'm convinced, this guy IS Silent Bob.

In all the pics, videos I've seen of him, I've never spotted him saying a single word, and even when a face to face interview was conducted with him - it took great effort to get more than a single word out of him; he was resisting with all his might, for the first 10 secs of the video it looked like he might collapse under the strain and social pressure

Nah.. he is just sleepy.. this people spend many days without a nap.. he just only look very tired and that need rest.
He is not the Russian Special Forces CNN was claiming.. He is just a Kuban Cossack and voluntarily went to Ukraine at the request
of Cossacks there.  Im sure there had to be at least a few dozen Special forces from Russia in Ukraine but he is not one of them. Those
people will not show their face and seek popularity ,instead they will remain hidden and if possible in civilian clothes. On a side note..
im sure he will be awarded with a medal by Russia for any citizen who have done contribution to society and save lives..

The parallels between the Honduran and Ukrainian coups:

The beauty of democracy, any knucklehead can vote for any chucklehead whether they're qualified or not, whether the voter is educated or not:





...BTW the pseudo-left wing in America were quick to jump on the Neo-McCarthyism bandwagon fear-mongering about Russia, whinning while at the same lecturing the Russkie's about being "TOLERANT",  while at the same time calling for America to prop up Western Ukraine which has the highest concentration of bigotry in Europe lol (fucking idiots)!!!