The Situation in the Ukraine. #4

As Sa'iqa wrote:@arkapola:
Ok... But spend just a while thinking about it. Had the seps really discovered a burial site of hundreds of executed people, it would be in their best interest to provide an irrefutable evidence for it - there would be videos and dozens of photos, they would have invited journalists, provided data about the place etc. Russian TV (and other commercial TV stations) would DIE for such a material. Instead we only hace some hearsay, together with a photo from 20 years ago, from a completely unrelated place. Even a 10 years old child wouldn't accept such a "proof".

Even a 10 years old child wouldn't accept such a "proof".

arpakola wrote:
vehicle destroyed by ATM near Slavyansk

As Sa'iqa wrote:

arpakola wrote:
vehicle destroyed by ATM near Slavyansk

Metis.

Lol, I expected to hear "Allahu Akbar" and was surprised by strange silence when the missile hit the target. 

Isn't this a video from Syria? There is a similar scene in my memory of an ATGM hitting a target...

Regular wrote:How can US not let Russia to sell gas to EU? Winters would be fun in Europe. I doubt that US can push Russia with their gas... maybe in 5 years or so

All of the 80 Ukrainian troops holed up at a Lugansk military base have surrendered to self-defense forces who stormed the military installation hosting the Ukrainian National Guard.

The initial assault lasted for 10-15 minutes with almost unceasing gunfire, witnesses say. A video reportedly filmed near the attacked facility has appeared on YouTube.
There are conflicting reports on casualties and the outcome of the attack, which took place on the territory of an Air Force academy. Earlier, at least one Ukrainian soldier was reported to be seriously injured.
According to RT’s Paula Slier, one anti-government protester was killed in the gunfight and there have been several injures on both sides.All of the 80 Ukrainian soldiers holed up at the base surrendered, reported RIA Novosti. The servicemen were escorted out of the building as the other side applauded.Self-defense commander Gennady Tsepkalo also confirmed to journalists that all troops have surrendered. He promised that all soldiers will be sent home shortly.it had earlier been reported that only ten troops surrendered and others barricaded themselves inside the base, with some of the soldiers saying that their captain had orbidden them from surrendering.

These events come as Kiev has intensified military operations in eastern Ukraine. On Wednesday, Kiev mortar shells hit a school and a kindergarten in Slavyansk, injuring at least nine civilians.

arpakola wrote:Ukrainian forces suffer fresh losses in a rebel raid in the separatist east, as the newly-elected president promised to hold his first talks with Russia's Vladimir Putin on easing the worst East-West standoff since the Cold War.

The volunteer National Guard said on Wednesday that gunmen had sprung a surprise raid on their barracks in the flashpoint Lugansk region near Russia that had been under effective rebel control since early April.

"There have been losses both in the ranks of the military unit and the attacking side," the National Guard said in a brief statement.

The rebel group's struck a day after Ukraine claimed to have regained control of the rust belt region's main international airport in Donetsk after its most ferocious attack of the seven-week campaign which left more than 40 guerrillas dead. [AFP]

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I. guess   this is not made only for exibitions and parades...
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KIEV, May 29. /ITAR-TASS/. Fourteen Ukrainian servicemen were killed in a special operation conducted against federalization supporters in eastern Ukraine on Thursday, parliament-appointed Acting President Oleksandr Turchynov told a parliament meeting.
A general of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is among those killed, he said. "Our servicemen were in the helicopter that was shot down. They were to replace other servicemen in rotation," Turchynov said.  

Vann7 wrote:
How do we know it was an Igla missile? it could have been any cheap manpad from soviet union or even shot down by artillery.

About the 80 Ukrainians soldiers arrested.. im in shock ,how can kiev send teens to a war ,those soldiers seems conscripts 16-18 year old ,
that joined the army just last week. Totally unprepared for any combat.. This war needs to stop.. If Russia had invaded not only right sector
nazis will have been wiped but many hundreds if not thousands of young conscripts that were forced to to fight , or simply didn't had a Job
and had no choice. Hopefully they will not be killed by Kiev for surrendering.

According to our information, the Ukrainian army has the following losses and damages: 1,200-1,300 people were killed, eight helicopters, 15 armored transport vehicles, and three [artillery] weapons destroyed. They are suffering huge losses. I’m speaking only about Slaviansk," Ponomaryov said in an interview with the Latvian radio station Baltkom.

How do we know it was an Igla missile? it could have been any cheap manpad from soviet union or even shot down by artillery.

Operator training can be provided by the 9F859 Konus versatile simulator,
developed specifically for the Igla-S system. It also includes training means for Igla and Igla-1 system operators.

Regular wrote:haha @ loses. It's lie. Even in Grozny assault there were fewer loses.
Check Anna news. Rebels are fighting eachother. They have their own junta, a group of them wearing white bands took over other rebel HQ.

Vann7 wrote:OMG.. this can't be truth..    

About 1,200 Ukrainian army soldiers have been killed during a special operation in Slaviansk, and eight helicopters and 15 armored vehicles were destroyed, Slaviansk people's mayor Vyacheslav Ponomaryov said Thursday.

According to our information, the Ukrainian army has the following losses and damages: 1,200-1,300 people were killed, eight helicopters, 15 armored transport vehicles, and three [artillery] weapons destroyed. They are suffering huge losses. I’m speaking only about Slaviansk," Ponomaryov said in an interview with the Latvian radio station Baltkom.

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140529/190221116/1200-Ukrainian-Soldiers-Dead-in-Slaviansk-Special-Op--Peoples.html


How?  8 helicopters? 1200 ukrainian army soldiers? is he drunk? or thats just propaganda?
If anything of that is remotely truth , it could only be explained that they got new huge reinforcement with really good modern weapons..
and maybe perhaps they got help from Russia spetnaz forces very well armed..

If this is confirmed to be true.. it will be a major full scale war ,and hopefully all the people killed were right sector nazis.
Not even in Syria in 3 years have seen such kind of loses in just one city or its entire territory.