Russian Su-24 shootdown by Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter

Oguzhanoz wrote:Hey people,i am new in here.
I am from Turkey,and here to reply all your logical questions.I just found out this topic after the recent news.
I'm not a fanboy,that i will only ask serious question with short answers.
I haven't read all of the previous pages,because it will give wrong information for me.

Werewolf wrote:You came here to answer questions?

I am confused, who asked questions to a person that nobody knew that it existed?

Does here anyone have questions to an uninvited and unasked questions in first place?

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Oh why not, these people have to earn those liras somehow.

Oguzhanoz wrote:Hey people,i am new in here.
I am from Turkey,and here to reply all your logical questions.I just found out this topic after the recent news.
I'm not a fanboy,that i will only ask serious question with short answers.
I haven't read all of the previous pages,because it will give wrong information for me.

Wikipedia regarding the Battle of Kel'badzhar wrote:On April 30, 1993, Turkey and Pakistan co-sponsored United Nations Security Council Resolution 822 which called for Armenians in the region to withdraw immediately from Kelbajar and other areas of Azerbaijan. Turkey's President Turgut Özal called for military intervention on Azerbaijan's side and set forth on a tour of Turkic former Soviet republics on April 14. (Özal would die of a heart attack just three days later).

Oguzhanoz wrote:Hey people,i am new in here.
I am from Turkey,and here to reply all your logical questions.I just found out this topic after the recent news.
I'm not a fanboy,that i will only ask serious question with short answers.
I haven't read all of the previous pages,because it will give wrong information for me.

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Guys,

This post is for those members who believe in the existence of NATO.

However, I have to first apologize for breaking the forum rule regarding the inadmissibility of using Wikipedia (such a cesspool of disinformation), but in this case, as will become evident from the context, the use of Wikipedia with me adding some additional facts, which I witnessed, should be OK.

Wikipedia regarding the Battle of Kel'badzhar wrote:On April 30, 1993, Turkey and Pakistan co-sponsored United Nations Security Council Resolution 822 which called for Armenians in the region to withdraw immediately from Kelbajar and other areas of Azerbaijan. Turkey's President Turgut Özal called for military intervention on Azerbaijan's side and set forth on a tour of Turkic former Soviet republics on April 14. (Özal would die of a heart attack just three days later).

One thing Wikipedia fails to mention is that before Ozal's heart attack Russia had given an ultimatum, in response to Ozal's rhetoric, warning of massive military action against Turkey. I actually listened to Russia's ultimatum to Turkey, which was broadcast on the Radio Moscow.

There is more to this story, but maybe another time.

Note: Kel'badzhar is, of course, still part of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic.

Werewolf wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

Oh why not, these people have to earn those liras somehow.

Will be hard for them to make liras going on this forum.

KoTeMoRe wrote:1. What missile was used against SU-24M2.

KoTeMoRe wrote:2. Engagement coordinates? Interceptor CC, Target CC.

KoTeMoRe wrote:3. Why is Turkey lying about not knowing plane was Russian.

KoTeMoRe wrote:4. Why did Turkey stopped its air transgression over Syria and Iraq?

KiloGolf wrote:Curious death, I remember it. Maybe some Russian tea blend with polonium?

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:

Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:Guys, guys,

I am surprised that you have filled so many pages discussing this kind of stuff with the user Mustafa Oguzhanoz.

Considering that Turkey is a very primitive form of an Orwellian society, this user can only be an agent of those same foreign entities that are in immediate charge of that society; otherwise, he would have already been arrested for even posting the material he has posted here. What would be then the point of having conversations with him. This is his day job; he is a Tom Parsons.

check below my post, Mustafa´s boss has spoken

I am sure you just noticed that, now that his cover is blown, he is struggling to keep his job. Too late.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Oguzhanoz wrote: ...

So Mustafa was reprimanded for failing the mission (...  and new Turkish intel officer takes over?

Mustafa wrote:

Acheron wrote:

Mustafa wrote:
So tell me a solution in this that turkey can accept? You know the red line and you know that reality is that assad wont be accepted by anyone here.  

Here is an excellent solution that Turkey can and should accept: Syria remains undivided. Syrian constitution is altered to be more egalitarian and protective of minorities. Some form of decentralization, autonomy and representation is given to Syrian regions (maybe federation?). Various political parties are allowed to form and campaign freely. Parliament is empowered and president weakened by shifting Syria into a parliamentary republic. Elections for both upper and lower houses of parliament are held and new government formed. Presidential elections are held and are open to all candidates.

You really can't get better than that because:
1) Turkmen and other minorities are protected and represented
2) Praliamentary republic removes "dictator" mode from president
3) Democratic process allows Syrian people to decide who represents them in executive/legislative branches of government

This is a very sensible solution, and unless the real motivation for Turkey is to grab land, this should be more than satisfactory.

I don´t think that guarantees our people security in syria and thats the core problem. For that turkey must give trust before anything positive happened. Explain me why syria would not use this time to counteract under russians support to launch a genocide?

Oguzhanoz wrote:1. AIM-9X Sidewinder. It is a short range IR based missile. It has %100 kill ratio so far.

Oguzhanoz wrote:
There are mostly russian and syrian planes over there,that syria already shot down and f/4 of Turkish air forces.

Oguzhanoz wrote:
rate and thats why we were using air force.I think goverment don't want to rise the tansion and gave it a break.We are still hitting but not that much for now.Turkey and Russia is unseperatable in this geography,but you know,things might be different in politics and on field.

Oguzhanoz wrote:Hey people,i am new in here.
I am from Turkey,and here to reply all your logical questions.I just found out this topic after the recent news.
I'm not a fanboy,that i will only ask serious question with short answers.
I haven't read all of the previous pages,because it will give wrong information for me.

Oguzhanoz wrote:1. AIM-9X Sidewinder. It is a short range IR based missile. It has %100 kill ratio so far.
2. I don't know how to add photo here but Turkish government released the radar map.There were 2 planes and 1 entered the Turkish airspace.
3. Turkey is lying about the plane or not.You are sure about Turkey was lying,so no need to answer.
But i can make a statement,hope it gives you another perspective about the situation.
It is indicated that Russian military has connected with Turkish military about the flight zones and peace threathy about the planes over syria.There is no agreement for Russia to use Turkish airspace(that's almost impossible because of NATO). But it is agreed that to contact with 1 radia frequency with russian planes and it is always used so far.
Su24 or whatever plane is understanable if only plane recognition signals are open.The plane may not be visible for eyes,but you can do it with signals.
There are mostly russian and syrian planes over there,that syria already shot down and f/4 of Turkish air forces.So the rules for us works like-Start warning the plane from 10km away from border.It is done.But appearently the communication line was closed.Maybe because of the technical disabilities su-24m wasn't even aware that they are entering the Turkish airspace.
4. The targets we hit is in irak and syria is on artillery range.But air forces has more than %90 hit rate and thats why we were using air force.I think goverment don't want to rise the tansion and gave it a break.We are still hitting but not that much for now.Turkey and Russia is unseperatable in this geography,but you know,things might be different in politics and on field.