Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

@GarryB

They need experiments, to find  if this particular virus, can get air ticket, to ride the air currents. From water evaporation. Or from dessicated dry condition. It is useful experiment. Because all this social distancing could be useless.

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsif.2009.0227.focus

@Tsavo lion

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/global-development/2019/mar/06/chilling-reality-afghanistan-suffers-worst-floods-in-seven-years

If my theory is right, and that flood waters damage sewage system and release virus into environment. Then we should see bad outbreaks of virus in region of Herat and kandahar and Farah . Must wait and see.


https://reliefweb.int/map/afghanistan/afghanistan-estimated-number-settlements-misti-dataset-exposed-flood-risk-thresholds

I just wonder how a virus from bats that weren't even sold at that Wuhan market got to pangolins (or other hosts, for that matter) in the 1t place, before mutating & getting into humans. To me, it's unknown unknown.
The terms "hybrid war" & "safe sex" gotten new meanings!

PapaDragon wrote:
Moscow sends coronavirus aid to Serbia

More will be coming, too. Enjoy, old comrade, enjoy. We'll help you all we can.

As an aside, I've just put two more spammers on the ignore list. Now I can at least read a little of what's said. A sitrep will appear shortly.

Sevastopol 03.04.20

The Federal City of Sevastopol and Autonomous Republik of Krimea are closed. Block posts are at the Krimea end of the Kerch Bridge from the mainland. Block posts are on all roads coming in to Sevastopol Region. Borders with Ukraine were closed three weeks ago, no entry through them. All block posts are with armed guards. All block posts have doctors, nurses, ambulances and city or Krimu registration officials with the lists of all registered citizens and property owners. All harbors are closed and Coast Guard are patrolling rigorously, stopping all ships and and small craft. Aerodrome in Simferopol is in theory still open, but locals say it's rather quiet out that way, as in crickets. Anyone coming in to that patently hideous abomination of a structure deserves what they get anyhow, and the same restrictions are in force there for residency proof. No propeeska, have a nice stay in that monstrosity until the next fight out, which you will pay for, and you will be in a guarded and closed waiting room.

Entry in to Sevastopol and/or Krimea is forbidden unless one has a wet stamped residence location in their internal passport or registered ownership of residential property. Any occupant of any vehicle or on foot who does not have the required documentation is denied entry. Period. The only exception is commercial vehicles with a certified bill of lading listing cargo, driver and assistant with copies of internal passport, verifiable address and company of destination, and serving military with their families. All personal and vehicle documents of those seeking entry in to either entity are scanned and entered in to a data base whether allowed to enter or not.

The backup at the block post on the H 19 from Simferopol to Sevastopol Region this afternoon was 4 kilometers long. The backup at the block post on the P 27 coming from Yalta and the south coast was 1 kilometer long. I do not know the lengths of the lines at the other block posts. On the P 27, so far today, and it's almost 22:00 local time, 73 vehicles with 249 occupants have been refused entry in to Sevastopol. I do not know how many were refused at the other posts or the Krimea Bridge post.

Sevastopol is on lock down. All public events are cancelled. All restaurants, cafes and bistros are closed. All parks, museums, movie houses, theaters and sports clubs are closed. All stores and offices are closed. Post is closed. All hotels and hostels are closed and residents thereof who do not have residence registration have been ordered to leave the region in 24 hours. Banks are closed but ATM's are working. City Government is working as are all city service providers such as, but not limited to, electric service and problems, water service and problems and so forth. City Government offices are not open to the public, all discourse with them must be done via phone or internet. The only stores allowed to open are food emporiums, apothecaries, pet supply and internet supply. Draconian price controls are in place and enforced. Already in our little village on north side 5 shops have been shut and sealed shut including one apothecary that has been in operation at the ferry landing since my wife was a child, all but one for price control violations. One small food store was locked down for health violations.

Pensioners normally get their pensions in cash at Post once a month. Needless to say, Krimea Post is a mess around 15th of the month. With Post closed, their pensions will be delivered to their registered address, in cash.

Citizens are told to stay in flat or house. Citizens are allowed to go to the nearest food emporium, apothecary or other open shops. Pets can be walked with in 100 meters of the registered address of the owner. All stores are well stocked and none, not even apothecaries, have any shortages of any products.

We are good. We saw what was coming and have been slowly but steadily stocking up for a month, just in case, and I think Ye'lean'chka has enough grain and meat stock to make porridge for the dogs for the next year.

There are 6 confirmed virus cases in Sevastopol, all imported. Criminal charges are prepared for all six for when they get out of hospital and post hospital quarantine. Krimu has now 16 cases, 14 of which were imported, two from infection of those who brought the disease to Krimu. Same-same with the criminal charges for them, too, except the two who were infected in Krimu.

Auslander

They call it a wet market. I think this means that live animals kept together. Therefore virus has possibility to jump from one animal into next. But again I don't know, if this was really possible. If these animals kept together or not. Or if biology compatible enough. The possibility of artificial organism also exists. But again I don't know genetics. Don't know if this virus can or can not be manufactured. But I do think that a state body or government, can not be responsible for spread. Just does not make sense. So a lab escaped organism or extremist group, more likely. Here on this forum, we do not have genetic information. But from what we can be sure of, is that neither possibility has been ruled out. It is now more important to think about cure. And stopping spread of virus. So all governments must be transparent and help each other, share info and resources.

Sevastopol, 04.04.20 A normal day of late.

VCO walked the dogs twice after midnight and she was up half the night, I went to bed at 02:00 or so and was up at 05:00. Old Ruslan is doing poorly, his age is showing, and Sophia is by his side always now. His sister Zychkya has had two strokes and she is also doing poorly. We have concrete all the way around the house, with all the dogs it's easier to clean and wash down at least twice a day. She takes 7 of them at one time and walks the perimeter a dozen or so times. Half way through, she puts Ruslan in the house after he does his business and lets Aleksandr out of his house to walk with the rest, then Aleksandr will finish the night on guard duty. She sings softly to the dogs as she walks with them, old fairy tale songs. It is quite pleasant to listen to in our very quiet little valley.

At 07:30, we take breakfast to Baba Masha in the house behind us, Baba Galeena in the house on our east side and Baba Ksenya in the house across the street. We will take them lunch and dinner also, lunch will be cold meat and vegetables with fresh baked bread. Breakfast and dinner are hot meals for them. Later today, we will take food from the lager to our other widows and pensioners in our little collective, and to anyone else who needs food and sustenance among us. Few of the younger ones are working now and they and their children have to be sustained. By the by, our house smells wonderful, the delicate aroma of baking bread extant.

This morning, Kadyrov, the head of one of our more quarrelsome southern republiks, Chechnya, introduced a curfew, 22:00 to 08:00. No one and no vehicles are allowed out during the curfew. Chechnya has the strictest lock down in Russia besides us and Krimu, and Kadyrov is often a bell weather for Russia considering Kadyrov's intense loyalty to Russia and President Putin. Ergo, I will not be surprised to see the same curfew introduced in at least Sevastopol, Krimu, Moskau and St. Petersburg.

Yesterday President Putin announced that all flights to and from Russia are stopped. He has repeatedly told the quite some thousands of Russians still abroad to come home. Yesterday he told them they have now missed their chance and are stuck where they are. For well over a week, the only flights coming in to Russia were evacuation flights bring Russians home. Needless to say, all passengers undergo rigorous medical exams on arrival and all are on two weeks isolation under medical supervision.

Sevastopol has no new virus cases, nor does Krimu. Block posts for Sevastopol and Krimu are still working 24/7.

I think there is a very good chance that Victory Day Parade will be postponed. Almost every day, word from The Flot is it's still on, but late yesterday Ministry of Defense in Moskau gently floated the idea that it could be either postponed or held in Moskau with no citizens allowed in Red Square to watch.

Here, I see no way in hell they can commence the planned start of rehearsals in 10 days time with the current situation, let alone have a parade along a 3 kilometer parade route with 250,000 citizens lining the route, 1000 soldiers, sailors, Marines and Artek participating along with over 100 Red Army and many thousands of the Immortal Regiment.

Link to photos from last year's parade, to give an idea of the parade and citizenry. Immortal Regiment is huge and marches at the end of the parade.

https://vk.com/album-56578331_263212660

auslander wrote:I think there is a very good chance that Victory Day Parade will be postponed...

Makes sense, it would be needlessly risky to do it now

Solve problems first, celebrate later

They can do truncated version of parade with fewer troops, more vehicles, no audience and basic package of dignitaries

Proper celebration can be held later in the year when hopefully whole pandemic ends for example on day of victory at Kursk (Aug 23)

Immortal Regiment can mark both Victory in WW2 and end of pandemic

JohninMK wrote:What's going on in the Donbas, we hear diddly squat? Can you put a little update in the other thread please?

Pretty much the same old same old. The orcs will never abide by the Minsk agreement, nor will Germany and France. Sporadic shooting every day from the orcs, some heavy, some more of an annoyance. A steady but 'small' stream of casualties daily on the NAF side. The usual, and tried and true, casualties on the orc side are 4-5 for every NAF loss, most of the orcs are not veterans and simply shoved half trained in to the lines. They suffer accordingly when they shoot as ordered or as wanted.

Red Cross was to give some aid on the spot to the orcs and wanted to come to NAF side for the same. Our daughter a few days ago said that at least in her area Red Cross is not allowed, they have the same level of trust as OSCE has, or had. She of course did not say where she is but she did say she is not in the lines of the moment so she could commo a little. Our other daughter and our son up there, we have not heard from either of them in some weeks, but no news is good news.

Our local post, when the rare letter arrives from any of them, does not call us, they simply deliver it immediately. Bless their hearts, they know from the writing who sent it so they fold the envelope in a triangle shape, send the tallest girl they have with the letter and before she knocks on the gate, she holds the triangle above the gate so my wife can see it when she knocks.This is an old way of doing things. During the last war, soldiers from the front or in service folded their field letters in a triangle. When the letters arrived to their families, the relatives knew instantly it was from the soldier because of the triangle shape and he was alive. Anything official, which was usually bad news, came in a square or rectangular envelope, hence what the girls at our Post do so my wife does not have a heart attack.

Our other two girls are so deep in succor and safe haven the world can be nuked and they will survive and prosper.

Copy to the appropriate thread.

Russia has adopted harsher laws for quarantine and virus spread control violations. The video has examples of clowns who think
that rules don't apply to them. The one faggot ranting into his cell phone is actually bitching that he can't make is chest hair
removal appointment at a salon because of quarantine. This is what covidiots or better covitards look like. I say shoot them
on sight and improve the gene pool.

Italy, then France, now Germany? This is what it means to be a U.S. ally.

Berlin police will not receive 200 thousand new medical masks, as they were confiscated by the Americans and sent to the United States.

Analyses of the SARS-CoV-2 genome indicate a single spillover event, meaning the virus jumped only once from an animal to a person, which makes it likely that the virus was circulating among people before December. Unless more information about the animals at the Wuhan market is released, the transmission chain may never be clear. There are, however, numerous possibilities. A bat hunter or a wildlife trafficker might have brought the virus to the market. Pangolins happen to carry a coronavirus, which they might have picked up from bats years ago, and which is, in one crucial part of its genome, virtually identical to SARS-CoV-2. But no one has yet found evidence that pangolins were at the Wuhan market, or even that venders there trafficked pangolins. Read the whole thing:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-china-trail-leading-back-to-wuhan-labs/

https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-patients-delivered-comfort-ship-new-york-mistake
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-update-new-york-city-usns-comfort-navy-hospital-ship-patients-1495928

https://www.foxnews.com/us/capt-crozier-of-uss-roosevelt-facing-disciplinary-action-despite-support-of-crew-and-petition-for-reinstatement

https://www.defenseone.com/politics/2020/04/it-doesnt-add-me-current-and-former-navy-officials-question-captains-abrupt-dismissal/164363/?oref=d-topstory

The CVN-71 is the black sheep of the USN- it had a collision with a CG & its plumbing had problems since commissioning- I was there when it happened & heard of it.
On 14 October 1996, Theodore Roosevelt collided with USS Leyte Gulf, a Ticonderoga-class guided missile cruiser, while conducting operations off the coast of North Carolina. The incident occurred as the carrier, without prior warning, reversed her engines while Leyte Gulf was behind her and collided with the cruiser's bow. There were no injuries reported, but Theodore Roosevelt suffered more than $7 million damage to her stern, while damages to Leyte Gulf's bow were assessed at $2 million. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Theodore_Roosevelt_(CVN-71)#Service_history
https://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-xpm-19961123-1996-11-23-9611230009-story.html

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/32733/a-supercarrier-sidelined-by-covid-19-could-be-the-canary-in-the-coal-mine-for-the-navy

https://www.juancole.com/2020/04/followed-coronavirus-inaction.html

https://www.kold.com/2020/04/03/fort-huachuca-reports-installations-first-confirmed-case-covid-/

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/491032-rural-america-braces-for-coronavirus

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52166804   https://www.apn.ru/index.php?newsid=38253

Map suggests TB vaccine may help prevent Covid-19

Confirmed Cases and Deaths by Country, Territory, or Conveyance

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR1O1GpyylqqwNuHbrsPt9gjeNtrncW0kM7i4JioBNg60iYQgG8mbRnuMAM#countries

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/india-drags-china-international-court-covid-19-war

Is this for real? India taking China to court in a Texas court house over SARS-CoV-2 being a bioweapon?

India has gone full retard.

@Tsavo Lion

i feel sorry for you dude.. your post clearly show ,you still believe the western narrative ,
that the virus came from bats.. even after the mountains of evidence ,this was all planed..
bill gates in munich germany security conference , warning the world the time is over..
and people need to act now.. that if they knew a virus could kill more than a nuclear weapons
and create a world wide pandemic they will get his attention. he also hinted terror bio weapons.
so he was throwing hints of what they were planning to do.. they are psychopaths cold blood people.
people like you will still support the official story ,, even if half of the world scientific community find
evidence US had the virus in their labs ,before it attacked china..

information for you to ignore.. since you only love fantasy from us media.

The Pentagon Bio-weapons

The US Army regularly produces deadly viruses, bacteria and toxins in direct violation of the UN Convention on the prohibition of Biological Weapons. Hundreds of thousands of unwitting people are systematically exposed to dangerous pathogens and other incurable diseases.  Bio warfare scientists using diplomatic cover test man-made viruses at Pentagon bio laboratories in 25 countries across the world. These US bio-laboratories are funded by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) under a $ 2.1 billion military program– Cooperative Biological Engagement Program (CBEP), and are located in former Soviet Union countries such as Georgia and Ukraine, the Middle East, South East Asia and Africa.

i bet you can't find anything strange and criminal of US military deploying military bio labs so close russia ,china and iran ,including in zones controlled by afghan terrorist .. what will you think if a nation that hates you,
like iran deployed dozens of top risk military bio labs right next to US border in canada and mexico borders
for you you will not see anything good about that.. and just criminal provocation.. if americans have nothing
to do with covid19 why they provoke russia ,iran and china with so many military labs close to their borders..??
Why bill gates and rockefellers were warning about it.. for son long..and predicted a world wide event like
never seen before?  why he ran simulations of his pandemic in same day ,china hold wuhan games?  

this image alone.. speak volumes of the level of hostility of the pentagon towards russia ,china and iran.


http://dilyana.bg/the-pentagon-bio-weapons/
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go an explain this if you can.. and stop posting conspiracies over bats.. this have been debunked by virus
experts.. such bats don't exist that produce the virus china faced..

if you had half of brain ,you will instantly notice at that pentagon biolabs map.. how they don't deploy any
bio lab anywhere in europe.. but goes and build them right next to russian borders..   one in kharkiv
next to russia and another in georgia ..again right next to russia.. this can't be coincidence.. this is your
innocent government blackmailing Russia with biological weapons..

will you feel safe if your enemies ,store and develop bio weapons right next to your country borders?
of course you will ,you will see their laboratory as a hostile threat to your nation. stop the bullshit now ..
this is not a nature virus event.. US military and elites is behind this terrorist attack on the world. and they
likely vacinated already from covid19.. and will sacrifice thousands of civilians ,to hide their hands of participation
in the incident..

kvs wrote:https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/india-drags-china-international-court-covid-19-war

Is this for real?  India taking China to court in a Texas court house over SARS-CoV-2 being a bioweapon?

India has gone full retard.

no ... india government and indian lawyer neoliberal trool  are different things.
americans are likely behind this stunt.. is what is called diversion and distraction..
the authors of the virus wants to blame china for the virus.. they very worry ,of being blamed for it..
zero hedge is anti chinnese fake news media.. sometimes they report true things but rarely they do..
is like infowars today.. full donald trump tards.. and every day demonize china for the politics in his country.
fake news... india goverment will never report such a thing.. why will china attack india? this is non sense.
they both benefit from good trade relations.

this is how easy is to fall from neoliberal propaganda.. and you fall from it..  
this proof the level of disinformation that exist today ,every day in youtube ,someone will try new tricks
to blame china of the virus.. trump call it "chinese virus" ,, to deflect the attention from them..
demonization of china is key for the survival of the american image in the world..
after bill gates/pentagon are the main suspect of this wildfire virus attack on the world.
that the virus began in wuhan could serve their narrative ,that it was china who did it..  
as if china could not build secret labs ,underground away from public and satellites view..

India, China mark 70 years of diplomatic ties, seek to boost relationship
02 Apr 2020, 01:31 AM
Elizabeth Roche

Modi says good relations between India and China are important for peace, stability and prosperity in their region and the world
Pandemic is a reminder of the interconnected nature of our world and hence need for a global response, also says the PM

india and china relations are very good.. and the pentagon virus attack only reinforced their
understanding that need to work together to stop US destruction of the world. Russia,china and india
are key nations to stop this madness of the US elites on the world.. they hoped to break china and russia
and looks they failed pretty much..

more zero edge crap... from same site...
Half A Million Chinese People Entered America At The Height Of The COVID-19 Outbreak....
fake neutral media like zero edge ,infowars ,democracy now ,vice news ,and many others are disinformants
of world events and politics. even rt.com have been infiltrated a few minions.. and from time to time
report crap.  
.

interesting video..

Anonymous Message To Bill Gates



it could be a stunt ,anonymous was a fake operation fake whistleblower too..
but it is interesting how the video explained how ruthless billionaires in america are
with their business.. practices.and how they invest a lot in propaganda.

Read all my previous posts on this thread- u'll see I don't trust  any propaganda/spin on anything. 1 link I posted said that bats r depositories of coronaviruses & they would be ideal to use them as bioweapon materials. Also, I'm not in the least surprised that Russians r against all those biolabs sited on her perimeter- they know of the threat.

they likely vacinated already from covid19..

don't tell me the CVN-71's crew removal & its CO dismissal r also staged; even if there was a vaccine, it couldn't be kept secret while Ks r sick & dying in USA & Europe.










B. Gates saw warnings from earlier viruses- if really was sponsoring bioweapons, there wouldn't be any interviews & talks by him on the topic of epidemics.
Some1 really wants to drive a wedge between India & China- even if the Chinese created the virus, they would be extra careful not to release in China. But if it was accidental, the PRC & Pakistan lost more $ already & will lose more than India ever would.
China may  countersue & say that certain circles in India &/ US conspired to use bioweapons to destabilize her gov., trade, & the BRI.

@Tsavo Lion

For sure you still believe in the official story.. but here is another report.. that will be scandalous
if the public knew about the information provided next..  since you don't listen to foreigners ..
maybe you will listen to an a retired american military biowarfare expert.. with 40 years in experience
in viruses.. and apparently worked in military biolabs facilities.. and he was in Saker blogs..
posting as anonymous ,and was invited to make a blog.. the information is extremely interesting and
a bit technical.. so you need to see this..  be not afraid of the truth.. the trump's chinese virus
was a biowarfare attack by US military..on china..and he will provide a ton of information
that points in this direction.  one early hint.. US army military biolabs have patents for corona virus
for some time.  

by: @OLDMICROBIOLOGIST • MARCH 13, 2020


Was Coronavirus a Biowarfare Attack Against China?




[The following is the republication of several long and very detailed comments by an unidentified purported expert on biowarfare that originally appeared on a recent thread of the Saker blogsite.]

[Update: an investigation strongly suggests that the author’s claims regarding his personal background and professional expertise are accurate.]

I’ll throw my 2 cents in here. I have zero proof other than my gut feeling that this is a bioweapon. I do have 40 year of biodefense research experience behind me and worked at Fort Detrich on bacterial vaccines where I developed my own aerosol infection routes and developed multi-species models of pathogenesis to establish correlates of immunity. Because I was a one-stop shop doing everything including animal care, aerosol exposures, sample analysis, necropsy, and histopathology, etc. plus I had research programs in endemic areas studying the immunopathological response in human populations to establish immune correlates of protection for candidate vaccines all for the Biological Defense Research Program (BDRP).

I recall the early years when the Department of Homeland Security was stood up and they got the lion’s share of poorly performing ciivil servants un-fireable under the then OPMA policies. I was brought in as a technical expert as we were in dire straits for funding so I (and others) was lent out as a research prostitute. This is a little known problem with civil service employees. They are impossible to eliminate and generally rise to levels where they can cause the most damage. However, an opportunity arose whereby agencies in the Federal government had to contribute bodies to the new Department of Homeland Security (as no new vacancies were created when the agency was stood up meaning everyone had to sacrifice personnel) so most, if not all, employees sent to DHS were the worst of the worst. However, the DHS labs (specifically NBACC) also tied into some nefarious microbiologists working at the CIA (ostensibly part of DHS) and it is an understatement to say that what I saw being proposed horrified me. That work, I am certain was performed at Battle Memorial Institute in West Jefferson, Ohio under a DHS contract doing the work for the CIA under the auspices of NBACC. As I was very vocally opposed to this stuff I was removed from the secure access at DHS but not DoD to the offensive work which I had pointed out was not only illegal but unethical. I have since retired now more than 10 years and am far away from all of that.  I won’t say more as they will reach out and seek retribution. But, if you look hard enough you can find still on the internet some references. There are some pissed off people out there should anyone care to actually do some leg work and try and figure this out. But, our news people no longer does this work so there is very little possibility of ever learning the truth.

However, that said, I notice some interesting things with COVID-19, that perked my ears up a bit. Yes, it could be a natural infection jumping species from bats to humans with a probable intermediate host, under conditions of human encroachment into world habitats. It is actually most likely to have been that, except for the strain differences being observed. That leads one to believe if it is in fact true, and I have no reason to doubt the Chinese on this, that it originated outside of China and it seems likely to have originated in the US. If, in fact, the US has 5 strains currently and China only one then it must have been percolating in the US for some time before it arose in China. Likely, deaths in the US were attributed to other diseases such as influenza and only retrospective sampling will determine this.   It would be interesting to do a combination GPS-Molecular biology tracking of strains over time and distance. Also, a definite genetic analysis of strains over time would also be beneficial and can be done easily on every isolated strain. This would have value in attributing the course of the disease over time as part of a natural history study of the virus. We would need access to all samples of every lung disease related death for the past 12 months to be certain to track all potential deaths. NBACC is the key to figuring out what nefarious stuff was being funded.

It is possible that this virus has mutated over time to become more virulent. In particular engineered strains are generally unstable over multiple passages through multiple hosts. In my experience when testing strains for pathogenesis and lethality it is wise to first passage a frozen isolate several times through a susceptible animal host to regain full strength. If you test a lab isolate (usually frozen or lyophilized) generally it is wimpy unless you passage it at least 3 passages through an animal model. The worst strains are always those recovered from humans who died from the disease and not field collected strains. If this was perceived to be a useful agent from the likes of Bolton or Pompeo, who are terrible and evil people, then it is conceivable this was thought to teach the Chinese a lesson in economics.  You have to be a complete idiot to release a virus for which you have no effective countermeasures but this administration seems to be filled with complete idiots. So, expecting normal behavior from these people is futile.  

It could have been released during the 7th CISM military games held in Wuhan October 18-27, 2019 and that fits perfectly into the time scale for the actual infections. Now interestingly enough, I was a participant in several CISM competitions in Europe for skiing (I was on active duty for 26 years) so I am very well versed in who these athletes are. In general the best are Olympic competitors who are ostensibly part of the National Guard of their states who pay for their training by extended military active duty periods where their sole job is sports training. I used to lose every year to one of these guys and generally I placed a distant second place in cross country skiing. I also participated in the biathlon competitions and our soldiers were the very top level because they were in fact Olympic athletes. Rumor is that the US participants at CISM were atrocious which is very atypical so one wonders who these “athletes” were. I am reminded of the US military mission in Brazil to help flood victims which coincidentally was the exact same time that all the power transmission stations in Venezuela were destroyed. So, again a hackle or 2 rise when I heard about that. However, it is the perfect opportunity to release a virus on a target population.

I will also like to add that not all biological warfare agents are lethal. In fact, the worst are non-lethal as it consumes vast amounts of resources in treatment and lost productivity. Deaths are actually cheaper. So, a high communicability, low lethality disease is perfect for ruining an economy. As Trump’s administration claims they are waging war against economic enemies (currently China heads the list) using all possible actions. This fits perfectly into that; however, it may end up destroying the American economy which would be ironic.

I believe the Chinese response was exactly what a country would do if they were attacked with a bioweapon which explains a lot of their actions. I do not believe it was an accidental release from the BSL-4 labs in Wuhan. In fact, this may have been an irresistible opportunity similar to the alleged Novichuk release just 8 k away from Porton Down laboratories (the UK Fort Detrich). Interestingly, the potential release from PDL was never put forward as a logical explanation. Anyway, it sticks me that the CIA seems to have developed a pattern over time. As long as I am pushing my gut feelings I will throw out there the potential for a bioengineered adenovirus with c-fos and c-jun over expression which would cause sarcomas. That work was all published at the National Cancer Institute located where? Fort Detrich. I am certain it is just a coincidence. I can imagine the cackling going on at the CIA when planning this operation and again the coronavirus operation(s). I believe there were at least two attacks with Iran being the second and perhaps North Korea as well. However, evidence against it being a bioweapon is Russia, Venezuela, and Cuba are minimally affected. This could mean effective countermeasures or botched attacks. It is inconsistent though with the way the CIA operates.

Adenovirus is another virus similar to coronavirus in usage and easily aerosolized. I have made my own for over expression of medical treatments for wound infections. Has anyone other than myself noted that so many enemies of the US have died from sarcomas particularly in South America? My point is perhaps this stuff has been ongoing for quite some time and with some fairly good results. So, familiarity breeds contempt so as they gin more experience and begin to think this is good stuff, it is not out of the realm of possibility that this is in fact a bioweapon. That Iran was hit so hard is another hackle rising. It is just simply too good (for the idiots in the US government) to be a coincidence.

So, we are left with some interesting problems about this virus. Where was patient zero in China. What will be the results if a natural history study is conducted correlating geolocation, strain identity, severity of disease over time? Will that work be prevented? If so, that is yet another reason to be suspicious. Will it continue to mutate and what will be the outcome of this? Lots of good stuff to examine here and it will keep a lot of people busy for years.


Maybe you can explain this:
“Coronavirus have not previously been known to cause severe disease in humans”.
This is excerpt from the patent issued to CDC, US government. Link:  
https://patents.google.com/patent/US7220852B1/en  

So the question for me is why should a harmless virus be patented by the US government and used for research in labs like US army research at Ft. Derick? That makes it military. Why is there then the SARS-CoV, and the latest COVID-19 which is SARS-CoV-2 ? The swineflu was likewise proven to be lab made at least in sources other than mainstream and WHO, the same was the case with Ebola, and even HIV.
It immediately raises the question of ban of biological weapons labs in my mind, by internatiopnal treaties just like a ban on the use of napalm, landmines and so on, since a harmless virus are researched in army labs and suddenly appears as aggresive viruses .

It is an interesting question. Under the bioweapons conference treaty no offensive work can legally be done and any signatory can demand an onsite inspection of facilities for verification at any time. To my knowledge that has never been demanded of the US. It has been done to Russia and China is not a signatory, nor is Israel or North Korea. We have been caught doing inappropriate biodefense research several times now but only because it became known and there were no consequences.

The slippery slope within DoD is to make a counter measure you have to try and look forwards and using intelligence based informatics to design offensive agents. In my opinion this is fallacious as we can’t make countermeasures against the normal 10 agents on the high threat list (since the program’s inception in 1942) other than anthrax and smallpox for which we have had effective vaccines for decades. Since 9/11 no new effective and/or safe vaccines have been been made for any of the rest of the agents on the list. This includes several far more likely biothreats like the plague, tularemia, glanders, brucella, Ebola, Marburg, etc. This was despite pouring billions into biodefense research most of which went to universities. When things cooled down the funding dried up as always. USAMRIID is currently shut down and may never re-open. But contracted services still go on and are funded using black money so not under the purview of Congress. So trying to make vaccines against biothreat agents that don’t exist seems ridiculous when the real threats, some of which the US has used in warfare, are still out there without effective preventatives. What happens is when you pour money into an area as happened after 9/11 all kinds of ridiculous stuff gets funded with very little oversight. The goal is to spend the money and no one really cares if any actual product is created. In fact, success means the demise of your program so the incentive is to drag it out for as long as funding is available. I had programs managed under DTRA funding that because I got new program managers as often as every 3 months had no clue or even any expertise in the matter and had zero idea of what we were doing. I got tired of doing a new dog and pony show each time I was assigned a new manager who usually was some very young recent PhD graduate with no experience at all. Often they were nebutistic appointments and daddy was a Congressman or Under Secretary.

The intelligence based decisions are as usual idiotic as is most intelligence coming out of the CIA and its affiliates. You get better intelligence reading PUBMED than you get out of any intelligence agencies. The microbiologists who work at the CIA and its contract companies were all military microbiologists who because they were essentially incompetent drifted over to the CIA. Then you have some IMHO ridiculous events. I recall when Ken Alibekov “defected” he spoonfed a bunch of made up BS which the CIA bought lock stock and barrel. I had working for me at the same time several former Soviet microbiologists (one of who was a senior researcher at Biopreparat) who were in fact the real deal and all told me he was a bullshit artist. One thing he peddled was a chimeric smallpox-Ebola and another a Ebola-anthrax. So the CIA immediately funded an effort to create chimeric viruses. To my knowledge these were unsuccessful however, the COVID-19 may be being caused by a chimeric virus. The only good reason to make a chimeric virus is to develop a attenuated strain for use as a vaccine. But, as often happens some attenuated mutants become more lethal as an unintended consequence. Another event was trying to force photo data from Iraq to prove they had an offensive bioweapons program. These guys had no clue what laboratory equipment was in actuality and had offered up a cooking truck with pots and pans etc. as proof. They were and I assume still are, idiots.

DoD programs are actually transparent and managed by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency. Less transparent are the foreign stuff being funded under the Nunn-Lugar Act which includes the debacle of the “white elephant” lab and its satellite labs in the Republic of Georgia. No one will ever look into any of this but likely will end up blaming Russia or China.

They tend to underestimate their adversaries. China has an offensive program and if they get convinced they were attacked then I believe something nasty will be coming soon to the US.   But, China is not stupid and won’t release a biothreat agent they have no preventative or treatment for. I also had several Chinese scientists working for me and I respect them immensely.



That should be PROMED for current infectious disease reporting around the world. It is exceptionally good and not funded or controlled by governments. PUBMED is for online publications which is also good but controlled by the government. I am fully aware of censorship of research papers by the US. I recall I wrote a letter to the editor of Science back in 1999 when the government decided to stockpile billions of doses of ciprofloxacin. I did a quick BLAST search and found that only a single base pair mutation in anthrax made it completely resistant to cipro. That letter was published and after 9/11 never seen again. There are other example such as the Canadian paper maybe also in 1999 showing that anthrax delivered in envelopes was not very effective. That one disappeared as well and the same as the Canadian paper where they were aerosolizing B. cereus spores out the back of a moving truck and using aerial infrared cameras demonstrated that these streams of aerosolized spores agglomerated into cloudlets which moved along in the wind and would usually avoid detector arrays which sampled airflow for aerosol particles. That is still the current state of the art for battlefield detection and that paper showed it to be ineffective at best. I can think of dozens of papers that were removed. After 9/11 any research paper that could be used by a foreign actor to develop better biothreat agents was rejected for publication outright. Almost none of my work was published after that except in classified reports which I believe were never read by anyone. I recall part of the madness in setting up NBACC was to generate very lengthy “white papers” that scrubbed through all published articles to assemble the complete picture for the then 10 threat agents. I wrote or edited two of those and they were immediately buried in some deep classified archive to the researchers who might benefit from this work could never actually use it. A complete waste of months and a ton of money. If you are perceiving that the US government biothreat programs are a complete shambles then you are not wrong.

I’ll go into that a bit more as well. It used to be in the military programs we were “command directed”. This means the military made a decision to make a vaccine against a perceived threat agent. They would assemble a research group assign them the mission and give 5 years funding to be continued if milestones (reasonable given the pittance of funding given). If you made progress then you got another 5 years of funding. That funding agency located at MRMC Fort Detrick was a Research area managed usually by a Major and a Captain, both microbiologists and experienced. Two people. There were 5 research area Directorates so a total of 10 program managers and a couple administrative colonels. This managed the entire DoD biothreat research programs and did it well. However, someone decided we needed an Agency to manage this stuff and DTRA which was funded by the Nunn-Lugar Act was already involved in the disassembly of Soviet nuclear capabilities so they wanted a bigger piece of the pie so absorbed the Research Directorates. The BDRP program at DTRA (basically identical as before) was now managed by over 400 contractors. The money came out of the research money we were supposed to be allocated.

After DTRA took over the funding was no longer Command Directed and we were all required to go out and fu-ind whatever funding we could hence why we made “deals” with DHS and the CIA. We went to an annual funding cycle instead of 5 years and never ending Gantt charts and reports. This was the age of 6 Sigma and the end of Management by Objective. We were also charged rent and had to pay for every service at our Institute including the security and even the library. Even our higher command MRMC stole 6% off the top to pay for pet projects unfunded by anyone with a brain. So, this became the age of entrepreneurial research and the end of productive research. Our commander, as an example, had no idea what we were doing at all and was shocked at all the “cool” stuff we were doing. This is the new breed of commander who manages by committee and never goes out walking the floors to visit labs. What the old school commanders call management by walking around and poking your nose into everything. But now these guys sit in their office and are fed whatever the REMFs decide they should hear. This is management in the US government as a whole and there are so many hidden agendas and internal conflicts between programs it is difficult to describe just how awful it is to try and do research in that environment. A lot of the worst of those commanders or research Division Directors went on to be current heads of HHS, CDC, and their undersecretaries, etc. which explains why those agencies are so screwed up and why there is such a horrible response to this virus.

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I in fact posted links about possible bioweapon attacks &/ accidental release on China, Iran & Italy. There could be several attacks with different strains, some unsuccessful. Or it could be an inside job in political infighting or accidental release that gave others an opportunity to capitalize on, or so they thought.
In the ancient times, even Buddhist monks, normally armed with staffs & spades, practiced with deadly battlefield weapons so they could master their use in attack & defence in case they had to face them.
The Chinese r not necessarily developing bioweapons- they r obtaining viruses from potential enemies so they could develop defences against them.

3M is a major American medical equipment producer located in China and it seems that US hospitals have been sending people with lots of money to intercept shipments of US products produced in China and divert them to the US.

Shipments paid for by countries like France and Germany are getting better bids on the airfield and diverted to the US, and new US laws actually make this legal and fair... US products go to US first... wonder how the EU feels about their special relationship right now...

Tsavo Lion wrote:I in fact posted links about possible bioweapon attacks &/ accidental release on China, Iran & Italy. There could be several attacks with different strains, some unsuccessful. Or it could be an inside job in political infighting or accidental release that gave others an opportunity to capitalize on, or so they thought.
In the ancient times, even Buddhist monks, normally armed with staffs & spades, practiced with deadly battlefield weapons so they could master their use in attack & defence in case they had to face them.
The Chinese r not necessarily developing bioweapons- they r obtaining viruses from potential enemies so they could develop defences against them.

and i love your hypocresy.. that always is an accident of china.. but never an "accident " of americans..
if you ever read the report above.. by a veteran microbiologist american.. who worked in biolabs..
he believe China was attacked by bioweapon.. and the bullshit theory ,that it was an accident.. and
then they did not knew the accident happened is total bullshit. .. virus are contained in high protective
facilities.. with many cameras.. and any accident stay inside the facilities.. or it is know..
but to claim someone got the virus outside.. then moved to a fish market. common dude.. please stop. .
there are no accidents.. china accuse US military of this virus.. and you turn blind eye at US military biowarfare programs in the report and how they deploy biobases ,so close to russia ,iran and china and none in the european union.. so this can't be a coincident dude.. stop the bullshit.. Pentagon bioware warfare program is aimed at enemies plain and simple ,they are next to those c ountries border and they were used.. to stop china
and russia economy.. there are no accidents..  and because it will be incredibly suspicious... if only americans
enemeis get infected.. they allowed the sacrifice of americans to hide their hands.... it will be very easy to do that.. since in new york city every month die normally thousands of americans of several illness.. so they pick any cadaver.. and later tell the media the man or women had covid19..  so everything match .. they attack enemies and then later they sacrifice a few thousands elder people ,as a smoke screen, to hide their participation in the attack on china.. but don't come with the bullshit. .that chinese can't handle a virus inside a lab.. it will be easier to think that you simply can't handle the truth and those who write those fake stories can handle the truth..  if i was to attack china with a bio weapon.. then doing it close to a biolab facility will be the perfect place.. because it will deviate the attention away from the terrorist and focus it on china biolab.. that they
had an accident.. of course bullshit people will have no problem believing that with a single fucking shred of evidence.. but they see US military patents of corona virus ,way before china was attacked.. and see bill gates..
with nostradamus like powers predicting a pandemic event.. and then people like you ,just let those facts pass under the carpet.. because is too inconvenient with your bullshit narrative. so your dishonesty is typical of
many who don't want to see the facts.. i present you facts.. and you don't believe in them.. you present bullshit unproven conspiracies ,that there is no way to proof an actual accident ever happened.. if that was true the chinese could have very easily contained the virus and not wait months before they close the place.. instead closing a city ,they will have closed a fishing town..and anything 5k around it.. .. because will have closed the market withing the second the bottle of corona fall on the market.. how can a virus go from inside a lab to a fish market is ridiculous.. those people when leaving need to leave all their special protective clothing inside and take shower too..and decontaminate and any electronics not allowed inside. so is imposible that any "accident could happen outside and go undetected" . china closed the market of wuhan 1-2 month later after people began to die..  so your options are 1) too believe in unproven conspiracies
that american media and cnn have been reporting 24 hours a day since day one... or.. 2)look at the facts.. and connect the dots.. ie.. US soldiers present at the crime scence  - bill gates fame as future pandemic teller and world collapse.. he have bullshit powers. to predict future.and you pass that under the carpet those incredible coincidences.. don't matter.... lets move on..
, celebration of pandemic exercicests ,the same week china had to get the virus.. are you kidding me? another coincidence pandemic sim event 201 was same date of wuhan olympics.. ? and new evidence that Us had a patent for corona virus for some time..in miltiary lab -again did doesn't matter to you.. lets move on. admision in congress ,that americans had covid19 much earlier than they though,confused covid19 with influenza.. so there is a ton of evidence ,facts ,that when all connected draws a complete picture of the
story.. but like it happened in 9/11 all over again.. no matter how many mountains of facts you show closed
dishonest people they hold into impossible conspiracies theories ,before they will accept verifiable facts. that china and russia both hinted US was behind of covid19 ,and a bioweapon.. but trump says no.. lets move on.
.. when connect all the facts it all makes sense.. after US elite failed to contain china economy and failed
its sanction war and to break huawei. and so when sanctions and bullying failed.. they switched to bioweapons.. that makes sense. and to not raise suspicion ,they sacrifice thousands of their own citizens ,probably died of other diseases.. ,and later claim it was covid19 ,and that works as a smoke screen ,to cover up any participation in this.