GarryB wrote: Also... vaccines are generally free in New Zealand and the only pressure to get them is to prevent disease.
Lots of people however think it is their duty to prevent people getting their kids vaccinated because they read on the internet they have poisons in them, like Aluminium
Perhaps instead of investigating what jab is safe for the little ones it would make more sense to ensure vaccines are necessary and tested... and I have heard the Aluminium is a neurotoxin stuff before... you do know it is in a lot of things including deodorant and cooking foil... and lots of different drink containers including both disposable and reusable ones... when was the last time you saw cause of death aluminium poisoning?
Aluminum is not a heavy metal and the human body can remove Al via urine and faeces... unlike depleted Uranium or lead...
Vaccines might be free to you and me but they are not to our health services.
There is a big difference to our bodies between Al as residue on a drinks can or cooking utensil/foil and on the skin to that injected, especially when very young. Death by Al poisoning may take a long time but Alzheimers is a candidate. Read my first link.
Mercury is a real killer and whilst thimerosal, the compound in vaccine containing it, is now out of most vaccines it is prudent to avoid it if there is an alternative. Read the second link.
I am not against safe vaccines, just against overloading young bodies with too many too quickly or unnecessarily/prematurely. As you say "make more sense to ensure vaccines are necessary and tested".
Agree with Vann7, about importance of tracing origin of virus. Because for one thing, if origin is a particular Bat, then they have to be exterminated as carriers of disease. For another it could be proved, if disease has natural origin. Or not. If man made, then escaped or released from where? Must change laws of how labs work. Tighten regulations. But to prove a bio attack very difficult. Even if artificial organism of identical strain to natural strain exists. Must prove that it was released. But if proof came, then this could lead to war. Unless compensations were made. Compensations should also be made, if accidental release made, as well. So origin important. Now about these so called new diseases, I have a problem with accepting they are new. Why all of a sudden diseases are jumping from camels or Bats to man? There should be less disease like this now. Since, we live far away from nature. Further than we did during agricultural or primitive ages. Scientists telling us this or that. Who would believe them? Until recently, there was no proof of cancer link to smoking. I heard a medical doctor advice to public in UK. Do not wear masks! Leave them for medics. But what if they had no water or electricity? And the workers died? They will die too, without a doubt. But without them, and with water and electricity, then some of us, will survive. I hate medical doctors and corrupt scientists. With their esoteric big words. Now about masks for the public. I have made progress with my DIY mask. All you need, is to cut the ends of lady's stockings. Very light material. Fill with fluffed up cotton wool. Available. Tie elastic to ends. Use over mouth. Close nose with swimming clips.
There is a high probability, given the current engineered anti-Chinese hysteria, that the virus was indeed a yanqui concoction introduced in the wake of the Wuhan international war games. Of course, they delayed the release so as not to make it obvious that the games were what allowed US military agents to enter China to plant the virus.
I'm wondering when all this ended and states and cities re-opend again and people start to meet normally but between them some thousands of infected people who still not peaked yet plus those who had mild symptoms ,recovered but still shedding viral particles .This gonna be a second wave which could be more dangerous ,AFAIK the second spanish flu wave was more deadly than the begining of the virus .
ahmedfire wrote: I'm wondering when all this ended and states and cities re-opend again and people start to meet normally but between them some thousands of infected people who still not peaked yet plus those who had mild symptoms ,recovered but still shedding viral particles .This gonna be a second wave which could be more dangerous ,AFAIK the second spanish flu wave was more deadly than the begining of the virus .
If you look at the data for Italy you can see a totally non-Guassian behaviour where the initial increase of cases is rapid, but the attenuation of new cases is very slow, giving a very long fat tail to the distribition. There are also pulsations on this tail. This will be a pattern repeated in the coming two years as secondary peaks appear which will likely require control measures. I think the current rush to open the economy is way premature.
kvs wrote: If you look at the data for Italy you can see a totally non-Guassian behaviour where the initial increase of cases is rapid, but the attenuation of new cases is very slow, giving a very long fat tail to the distribition. There are also pulsations on this tail. This will be a pattern repeated in the coming two years as secondary peaks appear which will likely require control measures. I think the current rush to open the economy is way premature.
It may be premature but delay much longer and there is no economy left.
Open it up with mask wearing, hand washing and safe distancing is probably the only option.
Take a look at this.. if anyone think for a second the world will be the same ,after covid-19 "defeated" will have to think again.. Even billionaires like Richard Branson,will got bankruptcy.
Not only virgin airliner face bankruptcy ,but the entire airliner industry too.. because who will want to travel by plane when there is the believe is not safe to go out .. then people will avoid traveling unless is really need.. like a job and taking lots of precautions. but for pleasure travel , people will prefer to not go vacations outside unless is extremely important. cruise ship industry will also go bankrupt..sports activites.. will be funny ,how can sports go back to normal? as long as relations between west and east ,contiue to be hostile . the doubts of governments of a new virus pandemic to start will be there. I don't see how life will return to normality ,unless there is a major deployment of security , that will make going outside a painful experience. even to visit a wallmart today in US is a bad experience ,with long lines of hours waiting.
I'm wondering when all this ended and states and cities re-opend again and people start to meet normally but between them some thousands of infected people who still not peaked yet plus those who had mild symptoms ,recovered but still shedding viral particles .This gonna be a second wave which could be more dangerous ,AFAIK the second spanish flu wave was more deadly than the begining of the virus .
If this is a biological attack by US on china ,russia and some mayor europe powers with collateral damage.. and US continues with their hostilities to blame china for it.. ie.. to continue with their attempts to isolate china from the world.. and their sanctions war , on allies that cooperate with russia and china.. then this state of pandemic could transform into the start of a major biological war on a global scale. The most of the world vs US . and the pandemic becoming an every year event with a new virus showing and it will only get worse by the time..
then in the best case.. damages will be only on the economy of all nations..
-The entire tourism industry will be the first casualty .. -Sport activities the second one.. -Airliners and cruise liners bankrupt all those sports avenues ,stadiums that putin's invested so much ,will have to be converted in hospitals to threat the infested people. - university and schools closed too.. all classes will have to be online.. -people will have to get used of permanent face mask and gloves ,for going outside. -all outside activities for entertainment ,recreation ,like music concerts ,beach that many that group many people banned forever.. -people going outside , to enter in a shopping mall center will need a certificate of health taken that day.. this is already happening in China.
in the worse case this pandemic ,could promote retaliation ,a bio world war, that could scale into a full scale war ,that will go nuclear in a matter of time. China openly spoke to the world ,that US is behind the virus.. they believe that.. and Russia also believe the same. putin told nato on sputnik.. a criptic message.. "Not ready for a biological war"... when NATO reported that some of their soldiers got infested with covid-19..
This pandemic war,threatens the jobs of more than half of population... and the only thing that can stop it...before is too late ,before it trigger a major full scale war is if the European Union and Asian developed nations ,like japan ,taiwan ,south korea ,singapur , even vietnam ,who have many factories of US companies get their shit together ,and unite and demand US to stop their war on Russia and china and the world or else face total isolation from the world.. This is the only way to reverse and stop this wave of biological terrorism ,that looks to be happening and with US elites as the main suspect. this level of false flag operation could have only be masterminded by incredibly rich people , not only billionaires.. but super billionaires. and that they have no debts.. and have a lot of gold in reserves and properties.. this is because this pandemic event ,will bring down even billionaires in the tourism industry , and owners of airliners like Richard Branson,. trump also could face bankruptcy too , if their hotel chains collapse.. interestingly this crisis benefit a lot fake news media.. because without media ,the government will not have a way to brainwash population. The world will become more dangerous place for humanity ,with two major super nuclear powers believing US attacked them with a virus.. and some major nations in europe seems to be distancing from US like France and italy. Macron was reported to call putin just days ago ,to help coordinate plans for restoring their economies.
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kvs wrote: If you look at the data for Italy you can see a totally non-Guassian behaviour where the initial increase of cases is rapid, but the attenuation of new cases is very slow, giving a very long fat tail to the distribition. There are also pulsations on this tail. This will be a pattern repeated in the coming two years as secondary peaks appear which will likely require control measures. I think the current rush to open the economy is way premature.
It may be premature but delay much longer and there is no economy left.
Open it up with mask wearing, hand washing and safe distancing is probably the only option.
Rather vapid economy if it can't tolerate 2 months of shut-down. The USA is demonstrating how inane is the laissez-faire capitalist model built on 100% opportunism. Any exogenous shock and the whole system crumbles. Why bother having government at all. Just have corporate fiefdoms.
kvs wrote: If you look at the data for Italy you can see a totally non-Guassian behaviour where the initial increase of cases is rapid, but the attenuation of new cases is very slow, giving a very long fat tail to the distribition. There are also pulsations on this tail. This will be a pattern repeated in the coming two years as secondary peaks appear which will likely require control measures. I think the current rush to open the economy is way premature.
It may be premature but delay much longer and there is no economy left.
Open it up with mask wearing, hand washing and safe distancing is probably the only option.
Rather vapid economy if it can't tolerate 2 months of shut-down. The USA is demonstrating how inane is the laissez-faire capitalist model built on 100% opportunism. Any exogenous shock and the whole system crumbles. Why bother having government at all. Just have corporate fiefdoms.
the video you provided.. don't proof that.. 1)happened in china or that is a chinese factory. 2)doesn't proof the date.. or country of origin 3)and even if the video is in china ,doesn't proof the government is behind this actions. as a matter of fact ,the fact that someone is filming and all machines stop ,shows this was not done during production , but probably some face mask ,that did not passed quality test and abandoned. in chinese production ,they are not allowed to just take cameras and film in their jobs as if this was hollywood. they are always working.. even their smartphones not allowed inside the production zone. so this video is extremely suspicious . it could be filmed anywhere .. including america.. many asian works in US factories.
if i was to guess ,the video could be hong kong and they paid an idiot ,to do that , in a private company , to use it as anti chinese propaganda.. to feed trolls like you. who love that crap.
you video only proof.. there is a clear ,very obvious fraudulent demonization campaign on china , and that you are one of those trolls ,that comes to promote it..
the video you provided.. don't proof that.. 1)happened in china or that is a chinese factory. 2)doesn't proof the date.. or country of origin 3)and even if the video is in china ,doesn't proof the government is behind this actions. as a matter of fact ,the fact that someone is filming and all machines stop ,shows this was not done during production , but probably some face mask ,that did not passed quality test and abandoned. in chinese production ,they are not allowed to just take cameras and film in their jobs as if this was hollywood. they are always working.. even their smartphones not allowed inside the production zone. so this video is extremely suspicious . it could be filmed anywhere .. including america.. many asian works in US factories.
if i was to guess ,the video could be hong kong and they paid an idiot ,to do that , in a private company , to use it as anti chinese propaganda.. to feed trolls like you. who love that crap.
you video only proof.. there is a clear ,very obvious fraudulent demonization campaign on china , and that you are one of those trolls ,that comes to promote it..
There is going to be a lot of misinformation, this is what it is all out now. The west(especially US), knew months before all this started.
The blame China game has just started, a State in he US has filled a lawsuit against China (just idiots being idiots) nothing is going to come out of it.
GarryB wrote:Younger people don't understand what disease can do... many of their parents and grandparents lived through times when there was nothing you could do... Polio, Measles, flu, etc etc are just words. Technology and science creates treatments and cures and vaccines to prevent diseases and dumb fucks quote ass holes saying shit like vaccines cause autism or they give you the disease in the first place.
Now I have no problem with these sorts of choosing not to vaccinate themselves... that effectively is a victimless crime, but when they spout shit on the internet and people who don't know any better read it and think they might have a point and refuse to vaccinate themselves or their children then I get a bit pissed off because those kids shouldn't be experimented upon by their parents because they are too fucking stupid or too paranoid to look up the real facts for themselves and realise all the negative potential side effects are made up, and in many cases even if they were half true are not even as bad as the disease they are trying to eliminate.
Who gives a fuck where it started... even if you could prove it was man made what the fuck difference does that make... do you think you can take the American or Chinese or British government to court and make them say sorry to everyone?
For fucks sake just get over yourselves...
Unusual for you to get so worked up about something Garry and make such sweeping and insulting comments.
I'm 74 and my 3 kids are around 50. They and I grew up during the years when vaccines, together with public health improvements, especially clean water, made huge impacts on the health of the World.
However, certainly in the West, the methods of giving vaccines has changed dramatically since then. The vaccines themselves have changed, being stronger, more synthetic, with many now as combos at the same time and often with more courses. Perhaps most significantly they are given much earlier in life.
My grand daughter is now 6 and Swiss. Her parents and me were of one mind, minimum vaccine load and, as her doctor agreed, she has only had the basics at the age her body could easily absorb them.
Before we came to that decision we did investigate all the scientific information, on both sides, regarding age of delivery and potential side affects. This is not black and white settled science. We did not want to take any risk we didn't need to. You may not be aware, I wasn't, that aluminum, a known neuro poison, has only been tested in vaccines for efficiency, not safety. You might like to check out the links below.
The selling of vaccines is one of the most profitable markets there is and to assume that there are no pressures on the medical or political professions to hide any, even very minor, problems is I suggest being naive. In the US at least the vaccine manufacturers are protected by law from being sued, the Government takes the risk. Now that's a deal!
John please get your granddaughter vaccinated. And not from the NHS; where they don't even vaccinate kids for Tuberculosis.
I was about 6 when I remember a doctor with a briefcase came over to our home. He opened the briefcase, it was absolutely choke to the brim with various vials and syringes. He was chatting with my dad for hours while injecting me with each and every one of them. I was crying by the end of it and pleading for no more, and that occasion sure did stick into memory.
But you know what? Never spent a day of my life suffering from TB, or Tetanus, pox, dysentry, anything.. got a respiratory virus once but it was seasonal and nothing major; passed in about a week.
flamming_python wrote: John please get your granddaughter vaccinated. And not from the NHS; where they don't even vaccinate kids for Tuberculosis.
Thanks for your concern and relax, she is now properly vaccinated (she lives in Switzerland), just at a more measured pace when there was less risk to her immature body. Not as late but a bit like you having yours done at an age when you were big enough to take it.
There is virtually no TB in the native population here, it is coming in with immigrants so TB vaccinations are localised.
Vaccines might be free to you and me but they are not to our health services.
So if they are super expensive.... why are they suggesting we all get vaccinated?
If they are super cheap... that is no reason to want to get us all vaccinated. Nothing is always cheaper than the cheapest vaccination chemical.
There is a big difference to our bodies between Al as residue on a drinks can or cooking utensil/foil and on the skin to that injected, especially when very young. Death by Al poisoning may take a long time but Alzheimers is a candidate. Read my first link.
I would think young bodies would be much better able to take it than older bodies... certainly if you are learning a new language it is easier to do it when you are young and learn your first language.
I am not against safe vaccines, just against overloading young bodies with too many too quickly or unnecessarily/prematurely. As you say "make more sense to ensure vaccines are necessary and tested".
Well the first few vaccines for Covid and anything it might mutate into wont be proven safe for quite some time... are you going to pass until lots of people have had it and survived?
Agree with Vann7, about importance of tracing origin of virus. Because for one thing, if origin is a particular Bat, then they have to be exterminated as carriers of disease.
First of all why? The origin of the virus may never be discovered, but even if we knew exactly what happened right now what difference would it make?
Second, your chances of getting rid of all the bats is about as likely as getting rid of all the mosquitos so we don't get malaria, or rats so we don't get the black plague.
Disease will always be a problem unless the next big fashion trend is a hazmat suit while they are working on full iron man type armour suits for everyone...
The US spends lots of money trying to get genes from various specific populations... how about instead of trying to create virus weapons, we try to learn how to make them benign so it doesn't matter if we catch ebola or covid 19 or black plague because they don't end up making us sick or kill us.
It may be premature but delay much longer and there is no economy left.
The economy will be fine. A lot of very rich people with big debts and lots of land will have to sell some off to keep the rest, but the old economy was broken anyway... mostly minimum wage jobs and little prospect for the future... smashing down a few of the big guys could be a good thing. People will need to eat... people will need houses and to maintain and improve those houses... plumbers and vinyl layers and gib stoppers and roofing specialists will be fine... it will be the hedge fund managers that will be shitting themselves... people with savings should be fine...
You cannot run a country like a business enterprise.
Sometimes there are much more important things than to make profits.
That there is communism... how dare you give a shit about people when there is money to be made...
And that is the problem with the west... America will try to break a country with millions of people (Venezuela) just for their oil companies and rich so they can rape what is left over when the dust settles.
There is going to be a lot of misinformation, this is what it is all out now. The west(especially US), knew months before all this started.
The blame China game has just started, a State in he US has filled a lawsuit against China (just idiots being idiots) nothing is going to come out of it.
No surprise though is it? I mean everyone in the west was happy to lap up the video showing evidence of chemical weapon use in Syria by Assad personally... despite the video being pathetic... no protective gear and the treatment was running water on people with a hose... yeah right... but they got a "launch 103 cruise missiles for free" pass from their people....
As I suspected- the global elites r involve
Yeah, why would they ignore a pandemic? Does it prove they created the situation or are just reacting to it?
John please get your granddaughter vaccinated. And not from the NHS; where they don't even vaccinate kids for Tuberculosis.
I was about 6 when I remember a doctor with a briefcase came over to our home. He opened the briefcase, it was absolutely choke to the brim with various vials and syringes. He was chatting with my dad for hours while injecting me with each and every one of them. I was crying by the end of it and pleading for no more, and that occasion sure did stick into memory.
But you know what? Never spent a day of my life suffering from TB, or Tetanus, pox, dysentry, anything.. got a respiratory virus once but it was seasonal and nothing major; passed in about a week.
Well said.... and what I was trying to convey... though based on the response did not succeed in doing so.
April 22, 2020 1 Comment by Pepe Escobar for the Saker Blog
What Did U.S. Intel Really Know About the ‘Chinese’ Virus?
What Did U.S. Intel Really Know About the ‘Chinese’ Virus? 1373 ViewsApril 22, 2020 1 Comment by Pepe Escobar for the Saker Blog (cross posted with the Strategic Culture Foundation)
Hybrid War 2.0 on China, a bipartisan U.S. operation, is already reaching fever pitch. Its 24/7 full spectrum infowar arm blames China for everything coronavirus-related – doubling as a diversionist tactic against any informed criticism of woeful American unpreparedness.
Hysteria predictably reigns. And this is just the beginning.
A deluge of lawsuits is imminent – such as the one in the Southern District of Florida entered by Berman Law Group (linked to the Democrats) and Lucas-Compton (linked to the Republicans). In a nutshell: China has to shell out tons of cash. To the tune of at least $1.2 trillion, which happens to be – by surrealist irony – the amount of U.S. Treasury bills held by Beijing, all the way to $20 trillion, claimed by a lawsuit in Texas.
The prosecution’s case, as Scott Ritter memorably reminded us, is straight out of Monty Python. It works exactly like this:
“If she weighs the same as a duck…
…she’s made of wood!”
“And therefore…”
“A witch!!!!!”
In Hybrid War 2.0 terms, the current CIA-style narrative translates as evil China never telling us, the civilized West, there was a terrible new virus around. If they did, we would have had time to prepare.
And yet they lied and cheated – by the way, trademark CIA traits, according to Mike “We Lie, We Cheat, We Steal” Pompeo himself. And they hid everything. And they censored the truth. So they wanted to infect us all. Now they have to pay for all the economic and financial damage we are suffering, and for all our dead people. It’s China’s fault.
All this sound and fury forces us to refocus back to late 2019 to check out what U.S. intel really knew then about what would later be identified as Sars-Cov-2.
“No such product exists”
The gold standard remains the ABC News report according to which intel collected in November 2019 by the National Center for Medical Intelligence (NCMI), a subsidiary of the Pentagon’s Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), was already warning about a new virulent contagion getting out of hand in Wuhan, based on “detailed analysis of intercepted communications and satellite imagery”.
An unnamed source told ABC, “analysts concluded it could be a cataclysmic event”, adding the intel was “briefed multiple times” to the DIA, the Pentagon’s Joint Chiefs of Staff, and even the White House.
No wonder the Pentagon was forced to issue the proverbial denial – in Pentagonese, via one Col. R. Shane Day, the director of the DIA’s NCMI: “In the interest of transparency during this current public health crisis, we can confirm that media reporting about the existence/release of a National Center for Medical Intelligence Coronavirus-related product/assessment in November of 2019 is not correct. No such NCMI product exists.”
Well, if such “product” existed, Pentagon head and former Raytheon lobbyist Mark Esper would be very much in the loop. He was duly questioned about it by ABC’s George Stephanopoulos.
Question: “Did the Pentagon receive an intelligence assessment on COVID in China last November from the National Center for Medical Intelligence of DIA?”
Esper: “Oh, I can’t recall, George,” (…) “But, we have many people who watch this closely.”
Question: “This assessment was done in November, and it was briefed to the NSC in early December to assess the impact on military readiness, which, of course, would make it important to you, and the possible spread in the United States. So, you would have known if there was a brief to the National Security Council in December, wouldn’t you?”
Esper: “Yes (…) “I’m not aware of that.”
So “no such product exists” then? Is it a fake? Is it a Deep State/CIA concoction to trap Trump? Or are the usual suspects lying, trademark CIA style?
Let’s review some essential background. On November 12, a married couple from Inner Mongolia was admitted to a Beijing hospital, seeking treatment for pneumonic plague.
The Chinese CDC, on Weibo – the Chinese Twitter – told public opinion that the chances of this being a new plague were “extremely low.” The couple was quarantined.
Four days later, a third case of pneumonic plague was identified: a man also from Inner Mongolia, not related to the couple. Twenty-eight people who were in close contact with the man were quarantined. None had plague symptoms. Pneumonic plague has symptoms of respiratory failure similar to pneumonia.
Even though the CDC repeated, “there is no need to worry about the risk of infection”, of course there was plenty of skepticism. The CDC may have publicly confirmed on November 12 these cases of pneumonic plague. But then Li Jifeng, a doctor at Chaoyang Hospital where the trio from Inner Mongolia was receiving treatment, published, privately, on WeChat, that they were first transported to Beijing actually on November 3.
The key point of Li Jinfeng’s post – later removed by censors – was when she wrote, “I am very familiar with diagnosing and treating the majority of respiratory diseases (…) But this time, I kept on looking but could not figure out what pathogen caused the pneumonia. I only thought it was a rare condition and did not get much information other than the patients’ history.”
Even if that was the case, the key point is that the three Inner Mongolian cases seem to have been caused by a detectable bacteria. Covid-19 is caused by the Sars-Cov-2 virus, not a bacteria. The first Sars-Covid-2 case was only detected in Wuhan in mid to late December. And it was only last month that Chinese scientists were able to positively trace back the first real case of Sars-Cov-2 to November 17 – a few days after the Inner Mongolian trio.
Knowing exactly where to look
It’s out of the question that U.S. intel, in this case the NCMI, was unaware of these developments in China, considering CIA spying and the fact these discussions were in the open on Weibo and WeChat. So if the NCMI “product” is not a fake and really exists, it only found evidence, still in November, of some vague instances of pneumonic plague.
Thus the warning – to the DIA, the Pentagon, the National Security Council, and even the White House – was about that. It could not possibly have been about coronavirus.
The burning question is inevitable: how could the NCMI possibly know all about a viral pandemic, still in November, when Chinese doctors positively identified the first cases of a new type of pneumonia only on December 26?
Add to it the intriguing question of why the NCMI was so interested in this particular flu season in China in the first place – from plague cases treated in Beijing to the first signs of a “mysterious pneumonia outbreak” in Wuhan.
There may have been subtle hints of slightly increased activity at clinics in Wuhan in late November and early December. But at the time nobody – Chinese doctors, the government, not to mention U.S. intel – could have possibly known what was really happening.
China could not be “covering up” what was only identified as a new disease on December 30, duly communicated to the WHO. Then, on January 3, the head of the American CDC, Robert Redfield, called the top Chinese CDC official. Chinese doctors sequenced the virus. And only on January 8 it was determined this was Sars-Cov-2 – which provokes Covid-19.
This chain of events reopens, once again, a mighty Pandora’s box. We have the quite timely Event 201; the cozy relationship between the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the WHO, as well as the Word Economic Forum and the Johns Hopkins galaxy in Baltimore, including the Bloomberg School of Public Health; the ID2020 digital ID/vaccine combo; Dark Winter – which simulated a smallpox bio-attack on the U.S., before the 2001 anthrax attack being blamed on Iraq; U.S. Senators dumping stocks after a CDC briefing; more than 1,300 CEOs abandoning their cushy perches in 2019, “forecasting” total market collapse; the Fed pouring helicopter money already in September 2019 – as part of QE4.
And then, validating the ABC News report, Israel steps in. Israeli intel confirms U.S. intel did in fact warn them in November about a potentially catastrophic pandemic in Wuhan (once again: how could they possibly know that on the second week of November, so early in the game?) And NATO allies were warned – in November – as well.
The bottom line is explosive: the Trump administration as well as the CDC had an advance warning of no less than four months – from November to March – to be properly prepared for Covid-19 hitting the U.S. And they did nothing. The whole “China is a witch!” case is debunked.
Moreover, the Israeli disclosure supports what’s nothing less than extraordinary: U.S. intel already knew about Sars-Cov-2 roughly one month before the first confirmed cases detected by doctors in a Wuhan hospital. Talk about divine intervention.
That could only have happened if U.S. intel knew, for sure, about a previous chain of events that would necessarily lead to the “mysterious outbreak” in Wuhan. And not only that: they knew exactly where to look. Not in Inner Mongolia, not in Beijing, not in Guangdong province.
It’s never enough to repeat the question in full: how could U.S. intel have known about a contagion one month before Chinese doctors detected an unknown virus?
Mike “We Lie, We Cheat, We Steal” Pompeo may have given away the game when he said, on the record, that Covid-19 was a “live exercise”. Adding to the ABC News and Israeli reports, the only possible, logical conclusion is that the Pentagon – and the CIA – knew ahead of time a pandemic would be inevitable.
That’s the smokin’ gun. And now the full weight of the United States government is covering all bases by proactively, and retroactively, blaming China.
As I suspected- the global elites r involved: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2923959.html
No dude.. there are no "global elites" , globalist are only those promoting an anglo jewish global empire. and it had nothing to do with global business ,which china and russia support. this is US elites in the government ,in the military and super billionaires in the west like bill gates and rockefellers who are the master minds of this insanity. and probably british elites in london cartel too.. because Russia will not attack with a virus its own nation ,and destroy his lovely energy oil prices.. he rather die of aids and cancer combined ,that to destroy his lovely gas station.. and china neither got any "Accident" either in wuhan.. this was debunked already by americans who worked at wuhan ,who told there was no accident there.. the quality controls and professionalism very high.. the only ones involved are those with nostradamus powers.. bragging about a pandemic that will spread like wildfire ,that will happen soon in the world.. and even that trump admin will face it.. john hopkins Blooberg school of health , Bill Gates and wife ,Center for control of diseases (anthony fauci) , the CIA director ,all that people and possibly rockefeller family is to their neck responsible for this crime against humanity. Look at pepe escobar report.. American intelligence agencies have told they warned of a pandemic ,happening in wuhan back in november.. near a month earlier ,that china was aware they were facing a pandemic event.. and anthony fauci even knew too and told trump admin will face a pandemic. so they tranfer the corona virus research to china wuhan lab , to frame china ,and they warned a million of times was going to explode wuhan with a virus.. yet 3 month later ,that those warnings were told ,trump did not closed any city ,or any state a,d lock down began in late march.. disney closed doors in april 3.. so trump can't say he was not warned .. unless they deceiving him... but what is clear is that the american government can't say ..had china warned earlier ,they will have saved many lives..because is not true. US elites around trump ,and its intelligence agencies knew of the pandemic and did nothing to prevent it.. so this makes them complicit in this pandemic crime.. they will have to explain how they knew trump was going to face a pandemic event.. all the way back to 2017 .. and how gates also predicted the same.. in 2018.. and US intelligences will have to explain ,how they knew in november there was a virus running wildfire ,because chinese only discovered there was something unusual and new in late december.. after just a dozen of deaths.. was when china warned the world of a pandemic and passed all the info to WHO. So US was fully aware of what was happening.. still it took them 3 months to declare a lockdown . The only ones than need to explain things are US elites.. how they knew and why they did nothing to prevent a pandemic or so called "Accident".
It will be super interesting , to know . what will Russia and China will do , what their new security policies will be ,when the lock down is over and they allow international flights... will they allow US- UK airliners to fly over Russia and china again? what about france? countries like germany and italy have not much option since they already have bases.. also how the borders security will change? will france allow civilians from germany, italy and spain to freely enter in france? because it should be very easy for US to infect any country and spread a virus by air ,that doesnt' control its airspace and allow their military planes drones to freely fight over their cities.. if france allows its airspace and borders fully open ,they could experience again another virus wave... maybe europe will just back down and chicken out to us biological pressure.. but Russia and china is highly unlikely they will keep their same travel freedoms over its airspace and tourism too. there will be a dramatic change in the security in russia and china for people who can enter and planes who can fly.. and drones too..
update...
very interesting new information revealed.... A former colonel Russian military intelligence speak the truth about the world pandemic even we face . his information now revealed is very close to everything i have been saying ..but he told it in a more elegant way and also added something else ,i wasn't aware.. but at least i got most things right.. so summary of his claims.. 1) corona virus is a zionist powers false flag ,like world trade center 2001 attacks. .another false flag. 2) the goals are world depopulation , to weaken its geopolitical adversaries china and russia (iran) and to interrupt any cooperation and integration of western europe towards China and Russia, and to increase political controls on all humanity ,and to deflate the super bubble of their economy. 3) corona virus is artificial and he recomend to see it as a military operation. and anyone that see a world map of covid-19 will instantly see ,that the virus don't spread normally.. that it jumps nations ,, from china jumped to iran..from iran to italy ,then germany and france and russia.. and while there was some spill overs at bordering nations of those attacked the harder..it was very minimal.. Norway is already lifting the lockdown.. israel never had any .. only recommended elder people to stay at home. all this countries who engineered covid-19 bioweapon , was crafted in a way ,that could be seen as natural virus..
he also mentioned something very interesting ,that i was very curious.. and is the question.. what is western Europe going to do now after this biological attack on them? what about eastern europe? will they still consider americans a partner they can trust? because if they attacked Western europe ,then it can be done on any other ally too including eastern europe..,that what face is very minimal.. in georgia for example there was not even deaths..a week ago but they share a border with russia ,similar happens to iranian neighbors next to zero deaths to corona virus.. but iran lost many top politicians.. .it is also important to be careful with Russian government public declarations.. putin is afraid of confronting americans and so he will try his best ,to pretend that nothing happened..business as usual... because if he says US attacked Russia with a bioweapon.. he will be forced to respond.. so putin will not think twice lying about anything if that allow him ,to avoid a confronation with another major power.. remember when the russian spy plane was shutdown ,by israel criminal actions ,that used it as a cover..with dozens of russian soldiers killed.. even when their military told him , that it was israel who did it and that they intentionally provoked the incident.. to the destruction of the russian spy plane.. putin his first response ,was to say it was an accident ..going against his own military for pure cowardice.. of not having to respond to israel.. and then hours later the military convinced him to support their version.. that israel provoked the accident.. so people should be careful of what putin and his government officially claim..he not always is honest and will not mind to lie ,if that will allow to avoid a conflict. so russian government is saying covid-19 is natural.. but russia military intelligence says is a bio weapon.
flamming_python wrote: I was about 6 when I remember a doctor with a briefcase came over to our home. He opened the briefcase, it was absolutely choke to the brim with various vials and syringes. He was chatting with my dad for hours while injecting me with each and every one of them. I was crying by the end of it and pleading for no more, and that occasion sure did stick into memory.
But you know what? Never spent a day of my life suffering from TB, or Tetanus, pox, dysentry, anything.. got a respiratory virus once but it was seasonal and nothing major; passed in about a week.
Wait, why did you get vaccinated from all these at once? I believe you don't remember, but hep b, bcg vaccine you got when you were a small baby. And then multiple repetitive/routine vaccinations.
Most of the vaccines make you sick, I've never heard it being administered at once, but I do remember doctors coming over our house to administer shots It was scary as hell and you couldn't delay it like in school (go to the nurse last so kids don't see you cry)
Back in Soviet times it was very serious, no anti-vaxxer shit existed. We got vaccinated during our childhood, there was a calendar in medical room - when who will get shots, you didn't even have to go to GP. I do believe kids in post-soviet union skipped some steps in immunisation...
flamming_python wrote: I was about 6 when I remember a doctor with a briefcase came over to our home. He opened the briefcase, it was absolutely choke to the brim with various vials and syringes. He was chatting with my dad for hours while injecting me with each and every one of them. I was crying by the end of it and pleading for no more, and that occasion sure did stick into memory.
But you know what? Never spent a day of my life suffering from TB, or Tetanus, pox, dysentry, anything.. got a respiratory virus once but it was seasonal and nothing major; passed in about a week.
Wait, why did you get vaccinated from all these at once? I believe you don't remember, but hep b, bcg vaccine you got when you were a small baby. And then multiple repetitive/routine vaccinations.
Most of the vaccines make you sick, I've never heard it being administered at once, but I do remember doctors coming over our house to administer shots It was scary as hell and you couldn't delay it like in school (go to the nurse last so kids don't see you cry)
Back in Soviet times it was very serious, no anti-vaxxer shit existed. We got vaccinated during our childhood, I do believe kids in post-soviet union skipped some steps in immunisation...
And there was no autism pandemic from all the vaccination.
And there was no autism pandemic from all the vaccination.
I've never heard of term autism used in my days. We had very few kids with learning diffulties (short attention span and so on), but by looking at their parents I could definitely say that it was more to do with their genes. In some of the classes they were doing normal programs, but let's say - math was made easy for them and they had their own.
My parents were pumped with vaccination in Soviet Union when they vaccinated all people with little to no regards to their occupation hazards or location. They grewn up in a countryside and worked in collective farm and were healthy all the time.
Soviet Union clearly had no reason to profit out of vaccines,. They did vaccinate excessively, like what tourists would get now. It was free and widespread- even smallest town would get it. And no tracking chips back then. Soviets even shared their knowledge with the world despite disagreements.
Say whatever you want about Soviet Union, but medical services were superior. Very accessible, free, medical personal that cared and had time for their patients. There are medical systems like that today.
"global elites" , globalist are only those promoting an anglo jewish global empire. and it had nothing to do with global business ,which china and russia support. this is US elites in the government ,in the military and super billionaires in the west like bill gates and rockefellers ..and probably british elites in london cartel too..
And those banks & transnational monopolies u didn't mention that don't need governments to tell them how to do business & make profits. Even if they didn't initiate the pandemic, they r sure to try to use it to their advantage, just like the neocons used 9/11/01 attacks to justify GWOT. https://asiatimes.com/2020/04/why-us-outsourced-bat-virus-research-to-wuhan/?utm_source=The+Daily+Report&utm_campaign=69f94574dd-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_04_22_09_23&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f8bca137f-69f94574dd-31607385&mc_cid=69f94574dd&mc_eid=5455568640
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choosing not to vaccinate themselves... that effectively is a victimless crime, but when they spout shit on the internet and people who don't know any better read it and think they might have a point and refuse to vaccinate themselves or their children then I get a bit pissed off because those kids shouldn't be experimented upon by their parents because they are too fucking stupid or too paranoid to look up the real facts for themselves and realise all the negative potential side effects are made up, and in many cases even if they were half true are not even as bad as the disease they are trying to eliminate.
It was scary as hell and you couldn't delay it like in school (go to the nurse last so kids don't see you cry)