Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 #2

JohninMK wrote:

Aristide wrote:
What Argument? Its a small start up and we have already ordered three times as much vaccine than we have people. You can fund what you want. If we need it we can confiscate it anyways. So i see no problem

Doesnt change the fact that i definitly dont want the AZ trash

Shame some of those orders are for your own company Sanofi (in reality Sanofi-GSK, a Franco-British venture) vaccine that will be lucky to deliver this year. Looks like its the Pfizer or nothing for you. We call that Hobson's choice.

So the French Marines are going to confiscate from a factory in Scotland? Don't make me laugh.

No, we confiscate the formula like we did from the Astra Zeneca vaccine last week, when we raided their plants here and took the papers, samples and so on.

Currently we get vaccine from Biontech (Pfizer has no own vaccine, its just the distribution partner), Moderna, and have contracts with 6 other corporations. All in all the entire EU gets 800 million doses this year. Thats more than double than we have people.

The AZ vaccine doesnt reach the quality standard we see as good. It doesnt work for people older than 60 years old and even on younger people has a very low grade of just 60%. Thats too low to help in the pandemic.

There are already plans to stop the AZ vaccine production in the european plants and start production of better vaccines there. The plant near Brussels for example could produce the CureVac vaccine or that from Novavacx. At moment it prouces the AZ vaccine, wich is a waste of rescources.

JohninMK wrote:...So the French Marines are going to confiscate from a factory in Scotland? Don't make me laugh.

That would be great action movie starring Adam Sandler and Rob Schneider

Europe believed in Sputnik V. Germany prepares to cut coupons
Irina Alksnis

Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz called for abandoning "geopolitical taboos" when the European Medical Agency (EMA) is considering the possibility of registering vaccines from Russia and China.

A little earlier about the same - that the decision to use "Sputnik V" should not be political, but scientific, based on the publication of the results of the third phase of clinical trials in the journal Lancet, - said French President Emmanuel Macron. Spain's readiness to use the Russian drug (with EMA approval) was announced by Madrid.

As for Germany, the intention of the country's leadership to actively cooperate on this issue with Moscow, upon close examination, became obvious back in January, when Angela Merkel publicly announced Berlin's readiness to help in the European registration of the Russian development.

Moreover, the Germans began to prepare the ground for this step even earlier. At the moment, Europe's most influential media are literally bombarding their audiences with positive publications about Sputnik V. The situation is understandable: after many months of an aggressive campaign to discredit the Russian drug, there is an urgent need to change public attitudes, since, apparently, it will play a significant role in the vaccination of the EU population.
However, the first signs of the forthcoming information and political shift, which were not noticed by many then, appeared a month ago - and the FRG immediately played the main role in this process.

Formally, the situation looks like a fresh publication in the Lancet suddenly opened everyone's eyes to the true quality of Sputnik V. It just turned out that preparations for the vaccine production site are already in full swing in Germany.

In general, the Germans have once again confirmed their status as the leader of Europe. While the rest (well, except for Hungary, which is not hindered by stubborn Russophobia - like the Poles, who are also not inclined to look back at Brussels) were waiting for the outcome, Germany intercepted and closed on a politically significant and economically profitable topic.
The situation is exactly the same as with Nord Stream 2, for the implementation of which Berlin is to die for, regardless of any "Kremlin crimes": this is an overly important and promising issue. The Russian vaccine turned out to be too good to be ignored - which is what the West originally planned to do.

And in Europe itself, things are not brilliant.
Vaccine shortages are a huge problem. Doses are sorely lacking, and the struggle for them is taking on a scandalous turn.

Another obstacle was a serious disappointment in European development - the Anglo-Swedish AstraZeneca gives very average efficiency results (just over 60 percent).

Two American vaccines - from Pfizer and from Moderna - are excellent in terms of effectiveness (about 95 percent), but there is also a downside to the coin. Three circumstances are usually indicated: a) high price, b) very strict production and logistics requirements, which complicate the manufacture, storage and transportation, c) unknown duration of the protective effect of vaccination.
There is one more point that the media and authorities rarely talk about, but which people obviously often think about. Both drugs are created using innovative technology that has not yet passed a full-fledged safety test for human health in the long term. That is why every death soon after vaccination causes such a resonance - and there are many of them, although, of course, "after" does not mean "due".


Europe believed in Sputnik V. Germany prepares to cut coupons
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Health worker with the Sputnik V vaccine against COVID-19 coronavirus - RIA Novosti, 1920, 02/05/2021
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Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz called for abandoning "geopolitical taboos" when the European Medical Agency (EMA) is considering the possibility of registering vaccines from Russia and China.
A little earlier about the same - that the decision to use "Sputnik V" should not be political, but scientific, based on the publication of the results of the third phase of clinical trials in the journal Lancet, - said French President Emmanuel Macron. Spain's readiness to use the Russian drug (with EMA approval) was announced by Madrid.
Austrian Chancellor Sebastian Kurz at the summit of the heads of state and government of the European Union in Brussels - RIA Novosti, 1920, 02/04/2021
February 4, 10:54
There is no room for geopolitical taboos when registering vaccines, Kurz said
As for Germany, the intention of the country's leadership to actively cooperate on this issue with Moscow, upon close examination, became obvious back in January, when Angela Merkel publicly announced Berlin's readiness to help in the European registration of the Russian development.
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Moreover, the Germans began to prepare the ground for this step even earlier. At the moment, Europe's most influential media are literally bombarding their audiences with positive publications about Sputnik V. The situation is understandable: after many months of an aggressive campaign to discredit the Russian drug, there is an urgent need to change public attitudes, since, apparently, it will play a significant role in the vaccination of the EU population.
However, the first signs of the forthcoming information and political shift, which were not noticed by many then, appeared a month ago - and the FRG immediately played the main role in this process.
A girl in a protective mask on Westminster Bridge in London - Russia news agency, 1920, 01/11/2021
Jan 11, 08:00
The West is ripe: COVID-19 is Hitler, which means it's time for an alliance with Russia
Formally, the situation looks like a fresh publication in the Lancet suddenly opened everyone's eyes to the true quality of Sputnik V. It just turned out that preparations for the vaccine production site are already in full swing in Germany.

In general, the Germans have once again confirmed their status as the leader of Europe. While the rest (well, except for Hungary, which is not hindered by stubborn Russophobia - like the Poles, who are also not inclined to look back at Brussels) were waiting for the outcome, Germany intercepted and closed on a politically significant and economically profitable topic.
The situation is exactly the same as with Nord Stream 2, for the implementation of which Berlin is to die for, regardless of any "Kremlin crimes": this is an overly important and promising issue. The Russian vaccine turned out to be too good to be ignored - which is what the West originally planned to do.
And in Europe itself, things are not brilliant.
Vaccine shortages are a huge problem. Doses are sorely lacking, and the struggle for them is taking on a scandalous turn.
The queue for vaccination in Berlin - RIA Novosti, 1920, 01/29/2021
Jan 29, 08:00
West is ready to fight for the vaccine
Another obstacle was a serious disappointment in European development - the Anglo-Swedish AstraZeneca gives very average efficiency results (just over 60 percent).

Two American vaccines - from Pfizer and from Moderna - are excellent in terms of effectiveness (about 95 percent), but there is also a downside to the coin. Three circumstances are usually indicated: a) high price, b) very strict production and logistics requirements, which complicate the manufacture, storage and transportation, c) unknown duration of the protective effect of vaccination.
There is one more point that the media and authorities rarely talk about, but which people obviously often think about. Both drugs are created using innovative technology that has not yet passed a full-fledged safety test for human health in the long term. That is why every death soon after vaccination causes such a resonance - and there are many of them, although, of course, "after" does not mean "due".
Against this background, Sputnik V officially - with all the stages of research completed - began to shine, which is slightly less effective than the "Americans" (91.6 percent), but much cheaper than them, does not require a super complex temperature regime and at the same time was created on the platform. existing for decades and therefore researched for safety inside and out. For the same reason for the reliability of the technology, the duration of protection of a Russian development is confidently defined as high.
The breakthrough of domestic scientists is now being honored with the most flattering words in the West, where the creation of Sputnik V is compared with the launch of the first artificial satellite by the Soviet Union in 1957. The journalist of the German Welt who drew this parallel noted that "since then Russia could hardly surprise the West from a technical point of view."

This is said about a country that is a world leader in such industries as nuclear energy, hypersonic technology, electronic warfare and a number of others. This is said about the country in which it has created and dominates - and without restricting external competition, as in China - its own Internet environment (search engine, postal services, social networks, anti-virus services, and so on). This is said about a country, the level of digitalization of which the West can only dream of, and fruitlessly.

The question automatically arises: is it that Russia lacks technological achievements that can surprise the West, or does he himself diligently ignore its successes until life pokes his nose in them, and with such force that it becomes completely impossible to ignore them?
Such neglect and deliberate belittling can, of course, be resentful and frustrating. On the other hand, there are also positive aspects to the fact that Europe and the United States stubbornly continue to underestimate Russia, which allows us to surprise them over and over again.
And win when the need arises.

https://ria.ru/20210205/vaktsina-1596043875.html?rcmd_alg=COL1&rcmd_id=1596266396

PapaDragon wrote:

JohninMK wrote:...So the French Marines are going to confiscate from a factory in Scotland? Don't make me laugh.

That would be great action movie starring Adam Sandler and Rob Schneider

Contrary to russian special forces, the french have an excellent resumee.

Ask Gaddafi, he catched a french bullet with his head.

That said, the more vaccine, the better. The AZ vaccine is a dud and i dont see why cooperating with Rusdia would be a problem.

Bloomberg named Sputnik V the largest scientific breakthrough since the USSR

https://ria.ru/20210206/proryv-1596305813.html

Kiko wrote:Bloomberg named Sputnik V the largest scientific breakthrough since the USSR

https://ria.ru/20210206/proryv-1596305813.html

Looks like the effort to smear this vaccine has flopped completely. You can thank the world outside of NATzO for
giving it a chance and not bending over to NATzO's dirty tactics.

Aristide wrote:...
Contrary to russian special forces, the french have an excellent resumee.

Of course, who could forget the hilarity of Bataclan when French very special forces pussied out and let one of their own charge in all by himself in the supermarket and other panicked when perp ran out and started shooting each other in the legs

Many memes were made that day

Aristide wrote:...Ask Gaddafi, he catched a french bullet with his head.

He did? I guess there's more than ne Gadaffi after all

As for one in Lybia he was killed by US bomb and local sodomites

French as always charged in at the start and immediately pussied out leaving others to clean up their mess

What did we say about taking credit for other people's work?

JohninMK wrote:

Aristide wrote:
Ask Gaddafi, he catched a french bullet with his head.

Another catastrophic decision strongly pushed by the French to protect their financial control over their 'former' colonies.

Absolute disaster for the Libyan people who used to have the highest standard of education in Africa.

Not good for France either downstream. The cost of all those people cross the Med and now in France must be huge both financially and socially. Le Pen to be El Presidente next year methinks.  

Marine is a powerful supporter for control over north africa.

You have to understand one thing. Libya, Algeria and so on, only exist to serve us. What happens to them is irrelevant. Gaddafi had to go, we install a new muppet there now.

JohninMK wrote:

Aristide wrote:
You have to understand one thing. Libya, Algeria and so on, only exist to serve us. What happens to them is irrelevant. Gaddafi had to go, we install a new muppet there now.

Sacre bleu, the arrogance is beyond the pail.

It is no arrogance, its a matter of fact. We get all our rescources from them. Just last year for example we took the worlds largest Diamond from our colony, paid the founders few € and thats it.

Its the big game, the UK plays that game as well. You have the commonwealth, which only servs the UK, you just do it more friendly, while we use the whip.

Gaddafi was a fool, who was very proud to be France "friend". He even bought a cruiseship which was paid by him and then after his death given to a french cruise line.

Few years before that gaddafi gave a giant festival where tenthousands of french officials were invited to libya. My father was there and i was there with my father. I was a kid then and remember how much the libyans did to impress us. It was riducolous.

Leaders like gaddafi crave for admiration.

We can be very good friends as long we get what we want.

Btw what matters now, is that Russia as soon as possible hands over the data of that vaccine, so it can be produced in the EU. The more different vaccines, the better. Having various kinds of vaccines, minimizes the chances of a Virus to mutate immunity against a single vaccine.

So far Russia now contacted EMA for certification and production is planned in Germany by march.

Thats quite slow and i expect russia to speed up that process to reach western standards.

GarryB wrote:....

Oh Gary, i must always laugh about that argument.

The migrants are treated like slaves in France. They are locked in camps, get exploited as field workers under horrible conditions.

Why you thik they try to escape France? Why they so desperatly try to reach the UK? France is hell for them. They even try to flee France now with small rubber boats.

You must understand one thing. When France says "for Europe". We always mean France alone and we know like no one else how to kill with a smile on our face and while upholding "human rights".

Thats the one constant in french politics. Remember why the byzantine empire felt? Because France betrayed them and supported the ottomans.

It bound the spanish empire, the italian city states and the holy roman empire of german nation for hundreds of years to fight against the turks on the east. And that gave France a free hand to become
the dominant power on the continent.

Same abaout Gaddafi, we want the rescources from Libya and as long Gaddafi was a clown, we supported him. When he became a liablity, we crushed him. The effect on France is non existing, since the migrants go to the UK and Germany and Scandinavia.

You are from New Zealand Gary your country got a small taste about our character not that long ago.

Btw if you find what we did to Libya shocking...you never wondered about this?







Too come back on topic, few days ago France demanded Nordstream II to be stopped, because Nawalny. Now that there is a chance that we get the vaccine, we say Nordstream II should not be connected to Nawalny.

We know Russia, Russia knows us. Thats why we get along quite fine.

Good to see Micron squirm. Posturing globalist Russophobe too busy virtue signalling to actually do his job.

JohninMK wrote:Given your clearly expressed abilities perhaps you should be an advisor to your Government rather than us.

"Is There Even A French COVID Strategy?" - Voters Furious With Macron's Pandemic Response

French President Emmanuel Macron is once again floundering as he struggles to placate starkly contrasting views on the coronavirus pandemic among the French electorate, giving the French people the impression that he is merely "reacting" to each new twist in the virus saga.


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/french-furious-macrons-handling-covid

Because Macron is an idiot. We talk about a Virus where you have a lethality of 0.03% when you are younger than 80.

We did hold back for almost a year and thats over now. I dont care if super old people die. Thats the circle of life, i do partys again, meet with friends. we go snowboarding and all that. Nobody lives forever and when you
are young, this Virus is nothing.

They should isolate the old and be done with it. There are massive parties in France now. Even Rave Parties with over 5000 people.

The strategy is vaccinations, the Eu failed in that so i asusme the virus cant be that bad anyways, otherwise they would have put more effort into it.

I personally am not willing to not party, jsut so that some old zombies can sit in their old age asylum homes for a few months longer before biting the dust.

JohninMK wrote:

Aristide wrote:

Because Macron is an idiot. We talk about a Virus where you have a lethality of 0.03% when you are younger than 80.

We did hold back for almost a year and thats over now. I dont care if super old people die. Thats the circle of life, i do partys again, meet with friends. we go snowboarding and all that. Nobody lives forever and when you are young, this Virus is nothing.

I personally am not willing to not party, jsut so that some old zombies can sit in their old age asylum homes for a few months longer before biting the dust.

The milk of human kindness clearly bypassed you.

I feel sorry for your parents and grandparents, with their child not caring if they die. Fortunately you are not typical of the French people I know. Indeed one of my great great uncles was Prime Minister of France and yes, he was English.

Thats not what i said. I care for my parents and i care for my grandparents. My parents are still young and my grandparents are fit as well.

What i say is, that you cant lock young people in forever just to save 100 year olds. Its better to isolate that specific group.

And we never had an english as french pm.

JohninMK wrote:

Aristide wrote:
And we never had an english as french pm.

OK you got me there, he was French. It was his parents who were English but he was born near their factory in France, William Henry Waddington, from a long established English family.

You will also no doubt enjoy this

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/wake-call-astrazeneca-jab-fails-prevent-south-africa-strain

Why should i enjoy this? The AZ vaccine is a complete failure, we need working vaccines, not such crap.

GarryB wrote:

Too come back on topic, few days ago France demanded Nordstream II to be stopped, because Nawalny. Now that there is a chance that we get the vaccine, we say Nordstream II should not be connected to Nawalny.

Hahahaha.... I am sure the Russians will immediately stop NSII and comply with French demands.

They might even stop production of the two 40K ton super mistral helicopter carriers they are building and promise not to make any more.

Or not.

Perhaps Russia should say the Vaccine should be connected to NSII and any country that opposes Russia in terms of sanctions and political bullshit goes to the back of the line for Russian vaccines... it is only fair that when playing bastards that they play bastard rules right?

It doesnt depend on Russia, when we say NS II stops, it stops. France is the most important ally of Germany, the majority of the EU is against NSII, the EU parliament voted against the pipeline. Germany depends on the support of France to pull it through.

We give a shit about Nawalny, the pipeline is a way to create pressure..in that regard we use the pipeline to encourage Russia for more speed regarding the EMA certification process,