Offtopic stuff from the Ukriane war thread1

lyle6 wrote:the global south wouldn't even exist if not for the USSR.

useless ingrate eaters.

**** em raw.

Yes, it is USSR that help them, not your Tsarist regime who acted as a whore of Western Europe and were only excel in bullying ethnic minorities and was beaten to half dead by Germany during WW1.

I am grateful to the Soviet Russia, a powerful superpower that fought for international equality. I am grateful to Russian people who donate much of their labour and fruits as aids and reinforcements to the national liberation worldwide since the USSR till today. I am also grateful to current Russian people who are shedding sweat and blood in the heroic fight against the Maidan Nazi. But I am not grateful to your racist, ultranationalist, and WEAK Tsarist empire.

You are ungrateful too, because you people who are constantly demonizing the USSR heritage to uplift the traitors in White Army who were mercenaries of the West.

PapaDragon wrote:Phrase 'Global South' cringe and gay

What cringe and what gay ?

Are you a racist ?

The-thing-next-door wrote:Your victim phantasies are truly beyond me. Serious people do not curl up and act like masochists, but instead work to solve the problem that is threatening them and a mere proxy is a rather easy problem to solve.

What have you done to help Russia and Ukraine beside going on Internet and whining genocidal, racist, imperialist agenda which is literrally a replica of Nazi ideology ?

How many Bandera fascists you have managed to neutralize in your whole life ? Or your biggest achievement in your life is an Internet keyboard warrior ?

This question apply to other racist, right-wing, ultranationalist people in this forum like mr_hd, lyle and PapaDragon.

@Garry: ban me as you like but I feel the need to say this out loud: these people are nothing different from the Bandera fascist.

@ Higaru

Russians can least afford to be racist , unlike Europeans . Because they are a Euro-Asian power . The least homogenous concoction . They have their heads in Europe , but their bodies are in Asia . Racism to them , is like a headless chicken running around ! While their disembodied heads , sit in a jar , like Nixon ! The " Russian , " posters on this forum , out of frustration , can drop the odd hint ! Take it with a pinch of salt !

The Soviet Union did not fight for " international equality" what a romanticized view of what it really was and there are reasons why people demonize the USSR, ignoring all of its dirty deeds because you want to stare with rose tinted glasses is misguided.

A government`s first responsibility is to its people. Very basic I know but the Soviets are too stupid to figure this one out. Throwing invaluable blood and treasure at ultimately useless pursuits while the ordinary citizen at home lacks basic necessities does not make good governance.

Mir wrote:You obviously have not read any Soviet era magazines or literature!

The word "Internationalist" appears in almost every other paragraph - not to mention the word "comrade"

One of the main slogans of the Soviets were "Liberty, Equality and Brotherhood".

This was also the main theme during the World Festivals of Youth and Students from all over the world back in the day!

The Soviets also gave ample financial assistance to poor socialist countries.

You obviously don't know the difference between how something presents itself and how it is, the USSR presented it's self as this and that but its well documented and known, even by those who lived in the USSR was the case really was.

The USSR gave money away under the guise of kindness but really it was for other reasons.

Your romanticized view has blinded you to basic facts, have you actually lived in the USSR? or are you some foreigners online who read the propaganda and took it hook line and sinker.

Scorpius wrote:
It's quite funny that this is coming from someone from Yugoslavia.

We call Papa an expert witness.

lyle6 wrote:A government`s first responsibility is to its people. Very basic I know but the Soviets are too stupid to figure this one out. Throwing invaluable blood and treasure at ultimately useless pursuits while the ordinary citizen at home lacks basic necessities does not make good governance.

and this is one of many reasons why they fell

lyle6 wrote:A government`s first responsibility is to its people. Very basic I know but the Soviets are too stupid to figure this one out. Throwing invaluable blood and treasure at ultimately useless pursuits while the ordinary citizen at home lacks basic necessities does not make good governance.

You are describing the Tsarist government, not the Soviet government.

Even an elementary schooler can see how irresponsible the Tsarist aristocrats and magistrates were to their own people.

Not to mention that your Tsarist "heroes" throwing invaluable blood and treasure to the pocket of Western imperialists.

You are literally revering the traitors while demonizing the saviors.

It is utterly pathetic that you people seeking glory in wrong location.

Scorpius wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
That "superpower" collapsed like a overloaded public toilet and had to crawl on it's knees before US hegemony and beg for food

It's quite funny that this is coming from someone from Yugoslavia.

Even funnier than someone from USSR is trying to comment on it

Also, I'm from Serbia not Yugoslavia

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higurashihougi wrote:

Yes, it is USSR that help them, not your Tsarist regime who acted as a whore of Western Europe and were only excel in bullying ethnic minorities and was beaten to half dead by Germany during WW1.

I am grateful to the Soviet Russia, a powerful superpower that fought for international equality. I am grateful to Russian people who donate much of their labour and fruits as aids and reinforcements to the national liberation worldwide since the USSR till today. I am also grateful to current Russian people who are shedding sweat and blood in the heroic fight against the Maidan Nazi. But I am not grateful to your racist, ultranationalist, and WEAK Tsarist empire.

And evidently those investments have yielded barley any returns with populations and governments alike supporting the western leftist agenda and begging Russia to not react in a perfectly righteous manner to the genocidal banderite regime.

The only thing that adds even the faintest justification to those costly investments is that it partially denies the us access to those territories and their resources and note I say partially.

higurashihougi wrote:What have you done to help Russia and Ukraine beside going on Internet and whining genocidal, racist, imperialist agenda which is literrally a replica of Nazi ideology ?

How many Bandera fascists you have managed to neutralize in your whole life ? Or your biggest achievement in your life is an Internet keyboard warrior ?

This question apply to other racist, right-wing, ultranationalist people in this forum like mr_hd, lyle and PapaDragon.

@Garry: ban me as you like but I feel the need to say this out loud: these people are nothing different from the Bandera fascist.

Well unless we want to go for the woke commie point of view in which case everything is fascist, I am not in any form a fascist, nazi or banderite, those ideologies are as silly and childish as those who obsess over them. I also do not care to try and explain the intricacies of my ideology to those who follow one that cannot be implemented. All I will say is that I do not have a foolish obsession with peace and inaction and believe that countries should interact with each other for the benefit of their own people rather than such nonsense as internationalism or world piss.

In regards to my contributions to Russia, My lack of them is my greatest shame, but that has to do with my circumstances rather than anything else. I do however wonder what you have done other than condemn those that want to see Russia conclude the matter of Ukraine in a manner that does not risk more Russian lives than necessary and denies the us access to any of Ukraine.

I will also ask why you seem to constantly imply that Ukraine will be us occupied at the end of this conflict? If I am not mistaken most of its resources other than farmland are in the Donbass, making the idea that the us would get them even more absurd.

higurashihougi wrote:...
@Garry: ban me as you like but I feel the need to say this out loud: these people are nothing different from the Bandera fascist.

Refusing to suck flaccid commie cock does not make person a fascist

The-thing-next-door wrote:And evidently those investments have yielded barley any returns with populations and governments alike supporting the western leftist agenda and begging Russia to not react in a perfectly righteous manner to the genocidal banderite regime.

Calling for genocide against Ukrainian people and using racist slur against them is "perfectly righteous manner to the genocidal banderite regime" ?

Differentiate the normal civilians from the Bandera fascists is "Western leftist agenda" ?

According to your criteria then the many of the greatest East Asian thinkers had been practicing "Western leftish agenda" for thousands of year ? Probably Confucius and Mencius was Westerners ?

Is humanity an alien concept to you ?

As your right wing ideology means being devoid of humanity and have no ability to see right from wrong then I am determined to be ultra-left.

The-thing-next-door wrote:All I will say is that I do not have a foolish obsession with peace and inaction and believe that countries should interact with each other for the benefit of their own people rather than such nonsense as internationalism or world piss.

The "intricacies" of your ideology can be summarized into one word: narcissism.

Using your own criteria the Global South and China will interact with you based on their own benefit rather than putting them into your shoes.

When that happens I hope you do not whine that they are "ungrateful" because that manners is the way you yourself encourage.

It is extremely disgusting to see somebody declare that selfishness is the only way to live but then whine when other people are applying the very same selfishness to them.

The-thing-next-door wrote:I do however wonder what you have done other than condemn those that want to see Russia conclude the matter of Ukraine in a manner that does not risk more Russian lives than necessary and denies the us access to any of Ukraine.

Calling for genocide against Ukrainian people and using racist slur against them is the only way for you to save Russian lives and to access to Ukraine and Ukrainian people ?

Pathetic.

The-thing-next-door wrote:I will also ask why you seem to constantly imply that Ukraine will be us occupied at the end of this conflict?

I do not imply. The USA itself openly implies that.

Is the concept of USA occupying other countries using color revolution alien to you ?

Why do they want to install a puppet regime hostile to Russia if they do not want to occupy Ukraine ?

PapaDragon wrote:Refusing to suck flaccid commie cock does not make person a fascist

1) The commies will never demand the right-winger do so. Because the right-winger are not even qualified.

Probably they become flaccid after seeing how horrible the mouths of right-wingers are.

2) Using racist slur and racial discrimination makes the right-wingers fascists, like their Chetnik ancestors who were better at ethnic cleansing than fighting Nazi.

higurashihougi wrote:

I do not imply. The USA itself openly implies that.

Is the concept of USA occupying other countries using color revolution alien to you ?

Why do they want to install a puppet regime hostile to Russia if they do not want to occupy Ukraine ?

And yet the idea of the us getting hold of Ukraine was understood to be in the realm of phantasy by any sane mind after February 2022. I see no reason to post the delusions of creatures that dwell in the us government institutions. They will remain delusions.

In regards to the whole conversation about being "human",considering what you hold to be a good specimen of the species, I will take being called inhuman as a compliment of the highest order. Quite frankly I find the idea of a communist trying to dictate the rules of morality to me rather amusing.

I also do not wish for genocide against Ukrainians, I only wish for those that have betrayed Russia to be rendered incapable of causing further damage.

higurashihougi wrote:
1) The commies will never demand the right-winger do so. Because the right-winger are not even qualified.

Are you implying communists have extensive experience in such fields?

The-thing-next-door wrote:And yet the idea of the us getting hold of Ukraine was understood to be in the realm of phantasy by any sane mind after February 2022. I see no reason to post the delusions of creatures that dwell in the us government institutions. They will remain delusions.

I will refrain from making such bold conclusions until I see the final victory against the fascists in Ukraine, the day when Zelensky's regime are completely destroyed, Western foreign agents are purged, and fascists in Ukraine, including the ones that massacred innocent people in Odessa Union Hall, are sending to the court as criminals against humanity. Only with that I can begin to conclude that the USA no longer have any foothold in Ukraine.

At the moment, even the war is still ongoing, USA and Western capitalists have already been scheming to privatize SOEs and black soils in Ukraine. Is that not an enough reason to feel alarmed ?

I have faith in the victory against Nazi, but in a long fight cautious is never redundant.

Believing in victory has nothing to do with carelessness and underestimation of the enemy.

The-thing-next-door wrote:Quite frankly I find the idea of a communist trying to dictate the rules of morality to me rather amusing.

People do not need to be a communist to see the ideas of selfishness disgusting.

Your ranting of "ungrateful" or "ones that betray Russia" does not apply if people follow your ideas. Why caring about faithful and gratitude if ones only care about the benefit of themselves first ?

Do you realize that your ideas are quite a double-standard hypocrite ?

The-thing-next-door wrote:I also do not wish for genocide against Ukrainians, I only wish for those that have betrayed Russia to be rendered incapable of causing further damage.

Granted, treason should be punished with highest punishment possible.

But is it the Ukrainian people in general betray Russia or the Bandera fascists and Maidan thugs betray Russia ?

I would like to say a lot of Russians betrayed Russia, and most of them claimed the mantle of anti-communism. Example: Piotr Krasnov.

Yeah, quite a number Russians attempted to "rehabilitate" that traitor, mostly belongs to the camp of "nationalist" and Tsarists that you people revere as saints.

Do you realize that you should kill yourself first ?

Another question: when the commie were fighting Nazi from 1941 to 1945, where were your so-called "nationalists" ? Hiding in comfy houses in the West or collaborating with Nazi ?

The-thing-next-door wrote:Are you implying communists have extensive experience in such fields?

It is just that a Serbian capitalist is claiming that his mouth has any value.

higurashihougi wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:Refusing to suck flaccid commie cock does not make person a fascist

1) The commies will never demand the right-winger do so. Because the right-winger are not even qualified.

Probably they become flaccid after seeing how horrible the mouths of right-wingers are.

2) Using racist slur and racial discrimination makes the right-wingers fascists, like their Chetnik ancestors who were better at ethnic cleansing than fighting Nazi.

I think the "ethnic cleansing" you are talking about was just retribution against their Croat, Bosnian Muslim, and Sandzak Muslim genociders.


Learn some history about your beloved ethnic Ukrainians:



http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/460/land-zamosc-zamojszczyzna-1942-1944

http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html

Odin of Ossetia wrote:I think the "ethnic cleansing" you are talking about was just retribution against their Croat, Bosnian Muslim, and Sandzak Muslim genociders.

You mean instead of seeking and destroying the true killers you vent your "retributions" against civillians, including children, woman, elderly and unarmed people ?

Extremely pathetic.

Turns out the so-called "heroes" of the nationalists can only vent their frustration civilians but running away like dogs when the real killers approached them.

Odin of Ossetia wrote:Learn some history about your beloved ethnic Ukrainians:

First, Ukrainian is not my beloved ethnic. I see all nations as equal. Your rhetoric is useless against me.

Second, every nations consist of both good people and killers in them (although some people with compromised cognitive ability may failed to understand such obvious fact).

Including Poles.

I bet the Russians, Belarusians and Baltics are asking you to review your history, too.

But I bet it is very difficult for you to see the log in your eyes.

Are you even serious?


Did the ethnic Poles did ever do something like that?



http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/460/land-zamosc-zamojszczyzna-1942-1944

http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html




About the retributions, you can read the Old Testament.



I know that probably not all of them are that bad, and I guess there are evil people in every nationality, it is not that you have discovered anything.

I think in general they are another level of evil that you do not even really comprehend.

Odin of Ossetia wrote:Are you even serious?

Did the ethnic Poles did ever do something like that?

You can ask the Rus people about forced Polonization of the Rus land that Poland occupied during the 1921-1939 or ask the Lithuanian about the mess of the Armia Krajowa caused in their country.

But of course I do not blame "ethnic Poles" for that because I know even in a family each members can have different personality and deeds and it is unfair to demonize the whole Poland nation only based on the deeds of the the evil part of it, unlike some people who are eager to demonize a whole community because the crimes of a puppet government installed by foreign power.

Odin of Ossetia wrote:About the retributions, you can read the Old Testament.

Ezekiel 18:20. "The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him."  

Odin of Ossetia wrote:I think in general they are another level of evil that you do not even really comprehend.

I am sure that you will definitely awarded a Nobel Prize, if you managed to publish a verified researches about the measurable level of evilness of Ukrainian people, or whatever nations.

For me, Ukrainians, or Russians, or Poles, or Vietnameses, or Chineses... are just humans, and each individuals should be treated for what he did, not for where he came from or which ethnic group he belonged to.

higurashihougi wrote:
Calling for genocide against Ukrainian people and using racist slur against them is "perfectly righteous manner to the genocidal banderite regime" ?

Differentiate the normal civilians from the Bandera fascists is "Western leftist agenda" ?

According to your criteria then the many of the greatest East Asian thinkers had been practicing "Western leftish agenda" for thousands of year ? Probably Confucius and Mencius was Westerners ?

Is humanity an alien concept to you ?

As your right wing ideology means being devoid of humanity and have no ability to see right from wrong then I am determined to be ultra-left.

What are kulaks? doesnt ring any bell?

Genocide is bad but if its wiping out people by class that you have no problems with.

"Its ok when we do it. "

lyle6 wrote:Genocide is bad but if its wiping out people by class that you have no problems with.

An ethnic group consists of many people doing different things.

A class, by definition, consists of all exploiters or all oppressed people due to the economic relationship between classes.

Like it or not, all landlords exploit tenants by land rent, all capitalist exploit workers by surplus value. It is defined by the relationship economic between them. Although some landlords or employers are more benevolent than others.

You may want to ask your beloved landlord class and capitalist class about the crimes of their systems against farmers, serf, waged workers, and colonies since the ancient time to today.

We do not claim that we do all things correct. But while you people are deliberately oversensitive about what happened to purged kulaks and businessmen (and many really deserved it), you are completely blind about the crimes of your beloved wealthy class against marginalized people in a systematic way, huge scale, and a continuous long time frame until today.

How much money did the billionaires pay you so that you are whitewashing their crimes ?

Nothing very far, looking to your country Philippines. Don't you question why many of your fellows have to eat dirty and unsafe food harvested from waste-bin and dumping site ?