Offtopic stuff from the Ukriane war thread1

higurashihougi wrote:

The Ukrainian people get to have their own country

The Ukrainians deserve to have their own country, like Russians (including Russians in Crimea and Donbass who wish to join Russian Federation) do. Period.

Ukraine is expected to be denazified, de-NATOed, to be aware of the historical truth free of Western propaganda, and to be friendly with all of its neighbors, from Russia to Poland and Hungary.

But Ukraine is neither a pie nor a trophy to be divided and enslaved by conquerors.

Your preaching the wrong gospel my young commie Padawan.
Things are way past that point. Russia should take what they need and leave the rest to depopulate.
Only question is do they have enough stamina and political will to do it in one go.

sepheronx wrote:
With that, as like my Serbian friends told me over the phone that it's literally brothers fighting brothers, like Serbs and Croats.  

Ukrainians with the exception of the Western ones share much more commonality with Russians, than Serbs with Croats.
Core of Serbian and Croatian populations never lived in the same country or shared history until 1918. Plus, religion is different. Aside from language, commonalities are few and far between. Exception would be Krajina in Croatia and parts of Bosnia.

sepheronx wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:

The Ukrainian people get to have their own country

The Ukrainians deserve to have their own country, like Russians (including Russians in Crimea and Donbass who wish to join Russian Federation) do. Period.

Ukraine is expected to be denazified, de-NATOed, to be aware of the historical truth free of Western propaganda, and to be friendly with all of its neighbors, from Russia to Poland and Hungary.

But Ukraine is neither a pie nor a trophy to be divided and enslaved by conquerors.

No one deserves a country. I'm of Ukrainian decent and I can tell you only those willing to fight and actually successfully defends the land deserve a country. With that, as like my Serbian friends told me over the phone that it's literally brothers fighting brothers, like Serbs and Croats.  The west was able to get these polish galacian fucks to make such a mess that now Russia has to clean up that mess. The mess left over by Soviets that allowed these fucks to create trouble.

So no, they don't deserve a country.

Poland is the most genetically Slavic country in the world.

But Slavic-speaking Varangians are brothers?

I suppose ethnic Poles are not brothers?

"Odin wrote:

I suppose ethnic Poles are not brothers?

Not since at least the time of Ivan the Terrible and possibly as far back as the Schism of 1054 and maybe before that.  I have heard, but cannot verify that someone did an act of sacrilege to someone's church, something involving the Eucharistic chalice.  Anyone know what the story is there or if I even remotely remember it right, I took rise of Imperial Russia when I was in college 20 years ago and I can't seem to find the notes from that class.

Odin with his ethnic Poles shit.

No one gives a **** about Poland. Poland is usually a thorn in everyone's side in that part of the world and is only favored by bootlickers like Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, etc.

I met many good Poles, but their rather die hard russophobia for so long because of their catholic belief makes them a perfect vassal for the western countries.

The talk of Putin talking to Trump is BS, the Russians have denied it and the Ukrainians have denied their supposed part in it too.

This was just a fishing exercise to test the waters to see what got people in the west and in other places offended and upset and what didn't.

People are also mistaking what Trump actually said... he said he could solve the issue in 24 hours and that is very true... the conflict might last longer than 24 hours, but it takes two minutes for him to sign a document stating that the US is no longer going to supply weapons or money or ammo or INTEL to Kiev and that all US personnel currently in the country there on official US business will be withdrawn immediately including all at the US embassy and all the secret bio weapons labs and CIA bases... everything will be removed and everything will be left in the EUs hands and it is now their war.

The EU will say they can support them and then a few days later when all the American stuff they were expecting to have the use of leaves they will admit they can't do the job without US support/Funding.

Zelensky offered to replace US troops in Europe defending against Russia as his soldiers were now the most combat experienced on the continent... let them take over... they have already been paid enough and sent enough weapons and ammo and equipment.

Trump didn't promise any victory, just an end... and it would make sense for him to release the real figures from the battlefield and talk about it being Bidens war, because that is what it was.

He can use this to outline the corruption of US MIC contractors and MIC companies like Boeing and Lockheed Martin and Ratheon and other corrupt thieves stealing from the US taxpayer and that maybe the US government needs to nationalise their military industrial complex to make it be more patriotic and less mercenary... so the US taxpayer finally gets value for money.

That would make a few sphincters tighten...

Perhaps rules that demand all Politicians wear the brand names of their sponsors like Nascar drivers... it would make their decisions easier to understand.

Is it worth starting a new thread for discussion on the Trump and Ukraine issue? Just thinking it might end up being a long discussion for here. Just a thought

Your preaching the wrong gospel my young commie Padawan.

It is basic human moral principles. If you yourself behave like a thug then you have no right to condemn others.

People in this forum lament about how barbaric Banderites massacre Donbass and Russian civilians. These are of course the absolute truth. The Banderites needed to be purged from the earth for their henious crimes.

But at the same time, some members of this forum, such as lyle06 or The Thing Next Door, saying about genocide, depopulation, land grabbing,... to "access to Ukraine". Which are literally the behavior of a mafia gangster.

You people pretend to fight against Nazi but in reality you are the literal replication of Nazism.

Are you expecting Russia to behave like a double standard hypocrite like that ?

If these methods are how you want to "access to Ukraine" then you have no rights to access to any country, including your own homeland.

As long as the key issues of the SVO (denazification, complete purge of NATO foreign agents, punishment of Banderite criminals, neutrality of Ukraine) are guaranteed, it is human rights of Ukrainian to decide their future. If they do not want to be a part of Russian Federation then you have no right to put your butt in their home.

higurashihougi wrote:
But at the same time, some members of this forum, such as lyle06 or The Thing Next Door, saying about genocide, depopulation, land grabbing,... to "access to Ukraine". Which are literally the behavior of a mafia gangster.

I do not believe I have ever called for the genocide of Ukrainians. I infact would consider a genocide of Ukrainians to be counterproductive. I have however condemned those who would waste Russian lives for the sake of pampering the banderites or similarly rabid groups.

sepheronx wrote:Odin with his ethnic Poles shit.

No one gives a **** about Poland. Poland is usually a thorn in everyone's side in that part of the world and is only favored by bootlickers like Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, etc.

I met many good Poles, but their rather die hard russophobia for so long because of their catholic belief makes them a perfect vassal for the western countries.

Really?


https://asaland.proboards.com/thread/535/polish-resistance-movement-derails-supplies


And you are an ethnic Ukrainian?

higurashihougi wrote:.
As long as the key issues of the SVO (denazification, complete purge of NATO foreign agents, punishment of Banderite criminals, neutrality of Ukraine) are guaranteed, it is human rights of Ukrainian to decide their future. If they do not want to be a part of Russian Federation then you have no right to put your butt in their home.

They had more than 30 fucking years to correct their own mistakes. They didn`t. They doubled down.

higurashihougi wrote:

Your preaching the wrong gospel my young commie Padawan.

It is basic human moral principles. If you yourself behave like a thug then you have no right to condemn others.

People in this forum lament about how barbaric Banderites massacre Donbass and Russian civilians. These are of course the absolute truth. The Banderites needed to be purged from the earth for their henious crimes.

But at the same time, some members of this forum, such as lyle06 or The Thing Next Door, saying about genocide, depopulation, land grabbing,... to "access to Ukraine". Which are literally the behavior of a mafia gangster.

You people pretend to fight against Nazi but in reality you are the literal replication of Nazism.

Are you expecting Russia to behave like a double standard hypocrite like that ?

If these methods are how you want to "access to Ukraine" then you have no rights to access to any country, including your own homeland.

As long as the key issues of the SVO (denazification, complete purge of NATO foreign agents, punishment of Banderite criminals, neutrality of Ukraine) are guaranteed, it is human rights of Ukrainian to decide their future. If they do not want to be a part of Russian Federation then you have no right to put your butt in their home.

The problem is, there has been brainwashing, lies and intimidation for 30 yrs. It hasn't been a fair debate. It has been Nazis and other US puppets corrupting what should have been an informed, free and fair choice.
It will take Russia time to fix the lies and propaganda and fear.
THEN people can make a choice.
But how long will it take? Another 30 yrs to undo the harm?

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:Interesting post
(Reported by simplicius website)

Legitimny channel had an interesting theory for how Trump will approach the armistice negotiations, which does seem reasonably realistic and clever:

Legitimate
Our source modeled for us a scenario where Trump doesn't have to force anyone into peace talks on the Ukraine crisis.
.......
At the same time, Trump will call the Ukrainian government corrupt and start an audit criticizing the Democrats.
This could be the scenario. .....
We'll see how it goes.

Audit?

Shit son, this would be worse than tactical nuke

Firebird wrote:....
The problem is, there has been brainwashing, lies and intimidation for 30 yrs. It hasn't been a fair debate. It has been Nazis and other US puppets corrupting what should have been an informed, free and fair choice.
It will take Russia time to fix the lies and propaganda and fear.
THEN people can make a choice.
But how long will it take? Another 30 yrs to undo the harm?

Nobody forced them to be Nazis,. they chose for themselves

Fúck 'em all into the mass grave

Trump is surrounding himself with neocon slime again, so there is no way he will go off the neocon agenda reservation. Now the election makes sense.
He was not cheated out of a win because he is fully co-opted.

Doesn't look at all fatal. If it wasn't for all the 'protection' on the turret it might have just bounced off, a glancing blow.

Hard to say without seeing the impact or what sort of warhead the drone is carrying, but that part of the Abrams is not heavily armoured and the rear of the turret is where the ammo is.

if Zelensky didn't have anything but yes men round him, they would tell him

Russia has been saying the deals are only going to get less appealing to Kiev over time so the sooner you agree to talks the better the deal you will be left with.

Minsk was their best deal and they would have gotten to keep all the men they have lost... it would have cost them the Crimea.

Now they are losing 5 regions in total and if it takes longer it could end up being more.

Kiev seems to believe the western bullshit about defending democracy and defending the free world from the evil Russians but what they are going to find is that Trump is likely to talk to the evil Russians and sort out some sort of deal and he is likely then going to tell Zelensky to take the deal or all US support will be pulled.... everything... including the CIA sites and bio weapons labs... everything... perhaps even US sanctions on the Ukraine that bans US companies from doing business or owning property in the Ukraine...

And if he doesn't roll over and beg he can be replaced... he is no longer the leader of Ukraine now anyway... they need to hold elections and the US will use it to get staunch pro US people into positions of power to ensure their grip on the country moving forward.

the lifting of sanctions on Russia and re-elections in Ukraine with the admission of all (amnesty for all).

Putin wont accept amnesty for nazis.

Pro Russian Ukrainians wont accept amnesty for what Kiev did to them and their country.

I doubt sanctions will be lifted. If I remember correctly, Trump was forced to sign those into effect because Republicans and Democrats voted in over a 70 percent ratio.

For those who don't understand how the US system works, when that much approves of it, the president HAS to sign it and cannot just remove it at will.

Trump could very well ditch Ukraine or not, it really depends Trump is Trump

Ah yes the Audit, Trump said he will let Elon Musk do, that will be great to see if he actually lets Elon do it

Didn't the Pentagon do an audit a few years ago and found 41 billion dollars was missing and decided not to investigate any further and wrote it off.

Must have gone into big pockets I suppose...

Clintons and Bidens perhaps...

It is not the mental impairment of fresh new front line troops, it is the mental impairment of the leadership the last ten years that has infected the mental capacity of a majority of the population for this time, though their state before hand was not great either.

it is human rights of Ukrainian to decide their future.

Tell that to the people of the Marshall Islands or the people of Guam, or other places that governments (especially foreign governments) have decided is too important to be occupied by these guys and shifted them out for a short period of time or forever.

They have the human right to be Ukrainian and feel what they want, but they also murdered and burned to death people for wanting to continue to speak their own language and practise their own religion and for those crimes they are suffering now.

If they had any empathy for the Russians they murdered or stood by as they were murdered I am sure I would have more sympathy for them now, but no ideology has any right to exist... I would say the current practises of the west are giving democracy and free market ideals a dirty name too... house rules in an old boys club where rules are only rules for the weak and the outsiders and if you know the school handshake you can get away with murder...