Offtopic stuff from the Ukriane war thread1

higurashihougi wrote: saying about genocide, depopulation, land grabbing,... to "access to Ukraine". Which are literally the behavior of a mafia gangster.

You people pretend to fight against Nazi but in reality you are the literal replication of Nazism.

Are you expecting Russia to behave like a double standard hypocrite like that ?

If these methods are how you want to "access to Ukraine" then you have no rights to access to any country, including your own homeland.

As long as the key issues of the SVO (denazification, complete purge of NATO foreign agents, punishment of Banderite criminals, neutrality of Ukraine) are guaranteed, it is human rights of Ukrainian to decide their future. If they do not want to be a part of Russian Federation then you have no right to put your butt in their home.

Genocide Is wrong, but the other things you mentioned are different. Land grabbing was what ukraine did in 1991, and before what the soviet did 70 years earlier, when they attached historical Russia Land to the newly created ukrainian SSR.

No population has the right to its own country (as long as they are given the possibility to live without repression)

Especially a non sovereign country that has always been used as launching pad against its neighbour (which land they stole).
Kiev is a russian city, Kharkov is a russian city, Odessa is a russian city, etc, etc

A bit different for the north western part of 404, since the soviet got it only after WW2 (and soon after that started the antirussian de-Stalinization from Khrushchev) and had not been russian for about7 centuries, since when Poland annexed Krasnaya Rus/Rus Chervona/Red Ruthenia, but Russia cannot allow an anti Russian country to exist there.

So giving it to Poland would be also wrong, thus there are only 3 options (if Russia wants to avoid having a new SMO in a few years):

1)A territory with partial autonomy but controlled by Russia
(I.e. Puerto Rico, which trump defined a shithole) and with no investment in it.

2)A series of oblasts belonging fully to the Russian federation

3) a desert or demilitarised zone empty of people, like the Korean DMZ but more than 350km wide (from Lvov to Vinnitsa).

Firebird wrote:2 aspects to all this:-
1)Russia must undone 30 yrs of post Soviet brainwashing and intimidation by scum controlled in the West.
2)Russia must remember the demographic balance of the Ukrainian region was fucked up due to the genocide by Nazis and similar Fascists inWW2 and infact before that (eg genocide of Russians in Galicia in early 20th century).
Pro Banderites should NOT win referenda because they committed genocide on the opposition for over 100 yrs.
Its NOT a case of a vote tomorrow giving accurate and fair results across the whole region.

From my observation, the worse is a mental status of today's Ukrainan youth who were pushed through a whole educational system already after 2014 - which means a today's 17-18 y/o.
Those kids are totally brainwashed, as had zero first hand experience and the parents were often afraid to undermine the official propaganda just to not get into a trouble.

ALAMO wrote:
From my observation, the worse is a mental status of today's Ukrainan youth who were pushed through a whole educational system already after 2014 - which means a today's 17-18 y/o.
Those kids are totally brainwashed, as had zero first hand experience and the parents were often afraid to undermine the official propaganda just to not get into a trouble.

What is the solution here?
Those kids luckily for them will not participate to the war, but will be adults after it.
Should their studies not be recognised and required to redo at least a couple of years to try to remove part of the brainwashing?
Or it is sufficient to do like it was done to the German after WW 2 and bring them (forcefully ) to cinemas to watch real documentaries of the many crimes of the Ukrainian regimes?

I fear the latter is just a start and not enough to undo more than 8 years of indoctrination...

https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/129774

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

ALAMO wrote:
From my observation, the worse is a mental status of today's Ukrainan youth who were pushed through a whole educational system already after 2014 - which means a today's 17-18 y/o.

I fear the latter is just a start and not enough to undo more than 8 years of indoctrination...

Your mistake is that you think it only started in 2014.
In fact, brainwashing in Ukraine began even BEFORE the collapse of the USSR. Not 8 years old - at least 40.
All current events are a consequence of the fact that the generation of Soviet Ukrainians has been displaced by a new generation - who grew up with totally brainwashed, loving Bandera and other Nazis.
And this is the essence of absolutely all former Soviet republics: outside the USSR, they all lost their subjectivity and became nothing more than tools in the wrong hands. Only Belarus is holding on (and that's thanks to its complete dependence on investments directly from the Russian budget).

Scorpius wrote:
Your mistake is that you think it only started in 2014.
In fact, brainwashing in Ukraine began even BEFORE the collapse of the USSR. Not 8 years old - at least 40.
All current events are a consequence of the fact that the generation of Soviet Ukrainians has been displaced by a new generation - who grew up with totally brainwashed, loving Bandera and other Nazis.
And this is the essence of absolutely all former Soviet republics: outside the USSR, they all lost their subjectivity and became nothing more than tools in the wrong hands. Only Belarus is holding on (and that's thanks to its complete dependence on investments directly from the Russian budget).

I was replying to the previous post. I know that there was a lot of stupid pro-ukrainian and antirussian propaganda also between 1992 and 2013, but it never reached the same level as the one after 2014.

Furthermore as far as I know something antisoviet and antirussian probably started already much before 1992.


Finally the kids who are now between 16 and 18 will have been mainly affected by the post maidan propaganda (and they were not even born before 2006).

I have seen the difference with an Ukraine acquaintance living in Germany (A friend of a friend). First time I meet her in 2016 (when she was visiting our common friend in the city where I live) we spoke mostly in Russian (as far as my A2 level could  allow) and she suggested watching some old soviet movie (ironia sudbi). When I met again a couple of years later she wanted to speak only in German or English, and started being very critical of everything Russian.

Note: she was between 25 and 30 when I met her, so she had for sure lived with ukrainian propaganda all of her life, but something changed a lot in the years after "maidan".