Offtopic stuff from the Ukriane war thread1

>jews are disproportionately bankers, landholders, rentier calitalist types everywhere they are found
>commie viet wants to wipe them out
oy vey you antisemite.

higurashihougi wrote:
Nothing very far, looking to your country Philippines. Don't you question why many of your fellows have to eat dirty and unsafe food harvested from waste-bin and dumping site ?

Our bad. Should have gotten ourselves involved in games between the superpowers, wiped out a couple million mouths and permanently crippled our birth rates. Then nobody would be eating out of garbage bins.

lyle6 wrote:>jews are disproportionately bankers, landholders, rentier calitalist types everywhere they are found

That is your claim, not my claim.

But I do claim that I want to wipe your face to the ground.

lyle6 wrote:Our bad. Should have gotten ourselves involved in games between the superpowers, wiped out a couple million mouths and permanently crippled our birth rates. Then nobody would be eating out of garbage bins.

Yeah, putting the blame into birth rate and overpopulation again to whitewashing the oppressors.

Malthusian tactics has long been debunked so it will not work here.

But from my observation you are discriminating against your own nation to protect your beloved wealthy class.

higurashihougi wrote:

That is your claim, not my claim.

But I do claim that I want to wipe your face to the ground.

I put 2 and 2 together and got four. Don`t like the logical conclusions of your premises then don`t go there in the first place.

Funny how the politicians in commie states are somehow exempt from the communist shitlist when they a) exploit everyone else, b) produce nothing of value themselves.

higurashihougi wrote:
Yeah, putting the blame into birth rate and overpopulation again to whitewashing the oppressors.

Malthusian tactics has long been debunked so it will not work here.

But from my observation you are discriminating against your own nation to protect your beloved wealthy class.

debunked? tell that to the millions of people starved to death by communist mismanagement.

you know whats worse than eating out of garbage bins? Not having food to throw in said bins in the first place.

lyle6 wrote:I put 2 and 2 together and got four. Don`t like the logical conclusions of your premises then don`t go there in the first place.

Your two 2s is your claim, not my claim.

Don't push your stereotype of Jews to other's mouth. Take your own responsibly like a human although I do not expect you are walking on two legs.

lyle6 wrote:Funny how the politicians in commie states are somehow exempt from the communist shitlist when they a) exploit everyone else, b) produce nothing of value themselves.

Are you describing the ruling capitalists in your country, including the ones that sold your country to USA ?

lyle6 wrote:debunked? tell that to the millions of people starved to death by communist mismanagement.

you know whats worse than eating out of garbage bins? Not having food to throw in said bins in the first place.

Sure, hundreds of millions of people have been starved to death or living in extreme poverty in colonial India, in capitalist India, in colonial Indochina under French and then Japanese rule, in the slums of London and Manchester, in the plantations of multinational companies in Latin America and Africa, and in your country Philippines, too.

And we are seeing a dog of capitalist who are saying that Philippines people eating garbage because of overpopulation, not because of being marginalized, pauperized by an oppression puppet regime installed by USA.

Yes, a dog of capitalist is demonizing and discriminating against his own nation to whitewashing the crimes of his master. That is the truth of the ones usually claimed themselves as "nationalist" but in fact backstabbing their own country.

Are you an USA foreign agent working in Philippines to enslave your own people for the master in Washington DC ?

This discussion has become tedious. commie Vietnam and capitalist philippines are both poverty ridden shitholes wholly dependent on foreign capital. Ridiculous that you are talking like one is ahead of the other because of some miraculous communist magic.

The discussion and responses have been very, very informative to my original question.

Thank you to all those who took the time and effort to write their thoughts and explanations. Especially higurashihougi, alamo, lyle6, kvs and papadragon    

In my country history means fuc* all to 99% of our population because it is perceived by the majority of the population to have no meaningful impact on our existence or future. It is not taken seriously in our education system.

I can see now why the current ukraine government is so eager to remove soviet history from ukraine. The emotions stirred, real life consequences for political decisions are profound for people in this geographical area and are heavily dependent upon the history.

They have already been burnt innumerable times in the last 300 years due to this history and history of the last 9 decades is still fresh in everyone's heart.

Who controls whats written and how its interpreted in the history books holds immense power at multiple levels - national identity, nations right to exist, national borders, what conditions would constitute a reasonable peace treaties, other nations claims to territory or people etc.

History is pivitol to identity, it provides the reason and logic to justify so many stratergies and decisions in politics and war.

Damnatio memoriae is a thing worthy of its own name indeed

And evidently those investments have yielded barley any returns with populations and governments alike supporting the western leftist agenda and begging Russia to not react in a perfectly righteous manner to the genocidal banderite regime.

Western governments have more control over their public populations than Germany or the Soviet Union had at their heights of power... no one in the west complains when RT and Sputnik are banned despite claims of free speech when some nazi wants to sing hymns from Adolfs hymn book.

Well unless we want to go for the woke commie

Woke is not commie, it is closer to fascist/nationalist.

Combining things you hate as an insult is a very American thing to do, and yes, I understand I am calling you American as an insult.

Woke is a US liberal western invention that has nothing to do with communism... woke is the tyranny of the minority where everyone walks on eggshells hoping not to offend the sexual deviants amongst us whom we must now celebrate and have parades for and let speak first at every national and international event.

Ironically I suspect it is partially supported as part of a guilt as to what the west has been doing to the planet for the last few centuries but we can't apologise to the blacks... that might give them ideas above their station... so lets give the queers the power and create conflict this way. Up until the last 20 odd years it was white vs colours, now it is whites vs everyone... it just distracts from the fact that the super rich who are mostly white and probably all sexual criminals anyway actually have the control and the power, but it focuses the downtrodden on the poor whites who can't defend themselves by hiding behind bodyguards and gated mansions.

Mess up a generation of children because telling them they can be president or go to the moon is not enough... now they can be cats and dogs and unicorns... except they seem to be arrogant little turds who get offended and demand everyone be cancelled if they question their stupidity.

Refusing to suck flaccid commie cock does not make person a fascist

Good little American sheep... anything they don't approve of like universal healthcare is automatically communism and therefore also automatically bad for everyone without any discussion at all.

>jews are disproportionately bankers, landholders, rentier calitalist types everywhere they are found
>commie viet wants to wipe them out
oy vey you antisemite.

I know several bankers who are not jewish and a few jews that are not bankers... anti semitism is only illegal in western countries who feel guilty because their lack of action against the Germans when they were doing such things. The irony is that there is no equivalent shame regarding the Japanese and their crimes against everyone they captured that was not Japanese. The Jewish lobby is powerful and effective and rich and they look after their own.

The claim of 6 million jews killed during WWII is the crime of WWII... 27 million Soviets is just a statistic because most westerners probably don't mind commies and Russians being killed... not much has changed 80 odd years later as we see in the Ukraine... no rivers of tears for dead on either side in the battlefield of Ukraine in the west.

Regarding the CERN ban on Russian scientists; Russia should decouple itself from western fake science. Particle physics, astrophysics, etc., are
full on garbage driven by group-think and ego. The morons did not exclude microwave emission contamination from Earth's oceans on the Cobe
satellite that is pretending to measure the cosmic microwave background (CMB). It is measuring nothing and hence we have the "paradox" of
why the CMB is referenced to the Earth. Same goes for solar physics and we have the cult belief by the "scientists" that stars are gas balls
when they are actually hydrogen condensates and you can see an actual surface that includes surface waves and Rayleigh Bendard convection,
which is impossible for a gas.

The Higg's boson is another pile of BS. They found some particle in the energy (aka mass) range they claim they "predicted". No, they tuned
the parameters to get this mass range. Such a particle was guaranteed for the right energy range of the collider. Colliders will always generate
particles in the range of their accessible energy. These particles do not last long and have no absolute meaning. The "mass giving" Higgs field
has not been proven to exist by observations. It is also a theoretical contrivance. Mass comes from the space "field", not some deus ex machina
field.

The west is all about chutzpah. It will demand you stop believing your lying eyes and accept their circle jerk, group think "truth".

Hilarious... the EU keeps shooting itself in the foot... CERN, which is the European agency for nuclear research (the acronym is French), is kicking out the experts from the one country on the planet with the most expertise in the nuclear field on December 1 of this year because there is a conflict in Ukraine which they are losing.

As pointed out in a Sputnik article... Russia should attract those scientists back to Russia because there are plenty of projects that would benefit from their participation...

from the PIK research reactor in Gatchina for the study of neutron radiation and microphysics, to the Sila synchrotron laser being developed in Protvino outside Moscow, the SKIF 4th generation synchrotron radiation facility in Koltsovo, Siberia, the RIF synchrotron on Russky Island in the Russian Far East, the revamped X-Ray lithography synchrotron in Zelenograd, Moscow and the Kurchatov Institute’s Tokamak nuclear fusion research reactor.

RT

Sputnik

Or may be another nuclear power (China ?) are eyeing Russian experts and are willing to pay Russia generously to attract the assistance of these talents.

Either way Russia should leverage her advantages to get the most of what she can.

It is hard to say... some of these guys might like the lifestyle in Europe and these projects were a chance to move there, while others went because that is their field and they were needed and useful.

I suspect many might not want to go back to Russia, so maybe China offers them an alternative, but equally Russia can work with other global south countries on new and interesting projects for these men and women to find something that ticks all their boxes... moving forward there will be lots of projects that need people to get them going, and if they have families perhaps their children might benefit from a safer place to grow up in where they are not hated because they are Russian.

Switzerland used to be neutral, but no longer it seems... and truthfully, it has always bent its neutrality depending on who was in power in Europe... whether it is making air defence gun shells for Germany during WWII or adopting anti Russian sanctions for the US today.

Other posts of this topic have been moved along with the Iskander thread to the Russian Army section where it belongs...

Here.

kvs wrote:

franco wrote:

Thank you for editing your post before I had time to give you a temporary ban for posting a conversation... GarryB

???

I never posted a full quote chain and then edited it later. If you saw me doing this, then that is while I am revising the post before hitting the post button. I have to
hit "quote" to get relevant text before editing. I don't want to do it manually.

OT Jewish oppression in the USSR discussion:

I clearly recall the oppression angle being pushed before 1990s as part of the cold war propaganda chorus. We had "refuseniks", etc.

But I saw some BBC excrement in the last few years that was pushing the revisionism that the gulags were full of minorities. It is an
incontrovertible fact that ethnic Russians were by far the largest gulag population fraction. This rather follows from the overall
distribution of the population. The BBC is pushing the Mickey Mouse story about how Russians were oppressing ethnically all of
the minorities in the USSR (including Jews). But the USSR was not built on ethnic nationalism but on progressivist internationalism.
That is why we had the creating of "republics" called Ukraine and Belorus. Assorted other ethnic autonomies and "republics" were
created at the expense of Russian land.

The BBC will also like you to believe, most likely, that Tito was an ethno-nationalist Serb and Serbs were oppressing the other
Yugoslavia ethnicities. A total inversion of reality. In Kosovo Tito, who was not an ethnic Serb, prevented the return of
Serb refugees after WWII and enabled the Albanian squatters who moved in during the war to stay and dominate Kosovo i Metohija.
Tito also carved out an ethnic Hungarian autonomy from Serbia and was going to do the same thing for the Bosnian minority
region. But supposedly Serbs were oppressing all the minorities. Chutzpah yap for Serbs were the ones being oppressed.

Forgot your beloved Ukrainians squatting in Poland.

The republican government of Soviet Ukraine refused to accept any additional ethnic Ukrainians from Poland at the end of 1946, with the end result that Poles have a serious Ukrainian problem in Poland itself.


Majority of the so-called "Polish" volunteers who fight for Ukraine are ethnic Ukrainians from Poland.

They also run the government in Poland.


http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html


Ukrainians from Ukraine have also massively been settling in Poland, on God knows what legal basis, ever since 2014.

GarryB wrote:That is not fair. Intermediate range missiles were very destabilising as they could be launched without warning at any time and hit Moscow in minutes.

That was not my criticism of Gorbie.   The terms he allowed the Americans were absurd.   This includes allowing them to stage intermediate missiles on US naval
ships.   This defeats the purpose of the INF since there is a lot of coastline in Europe.

A rumor just emerged on Internet:

During the SVO, Russia and Ukraine both have experience about the challenge in the race of cost effectiveness in the war against UAVs and FPVs. For example, what should we do if enemy drones saturate and overwhelm our guns ?

Solution: Recently, many Chinese heating pad manufacturers have been making a fortune, getting rich quickly from orders from Russia. It is hypothesized that Russia purchase cost-effective heating pads to use as false target to lure the heatseeking UAVs away.

The Ukrainian people get to have their own country

The Ukrainians deserve to have their own country, like Russians (including Russians in Crimea and Donbass who wish to join Russian Federation) do. Period.

Ukraine is expected to be denazified, de-NATOed, to be aware of the historical truth free of Western propaganda, and to be friendly with all of its neighbors, from Russia to Poland and Hungary.

But Ukraine is neither a pie nor a trophy to be divided and enslaved by conquerors.

People who act like hohols get their country pulled out from their feet. FAFO as they say.

Russia has like a hundred ethnicities and they don`t all get the luxury of their own nation-state. Why should the hohols be special in this regard?

lol the fact people believe there will be any diplomatic resolution are really unaware of the situation

Peskov already denied any talks

Reality is Trump can do nothing to change the situation in the ground - Russia is winning and has no terms to offer

For Trump to get Ukraine to even agree to the terms he proposes would take not only deposing Zelensky but the Ukrainian elite and political class

Ergo, it’s not happening

Trump will walk away after inauguration and Ukraine will be left at the mercy of Russia - as it has been for 3 years

As the Ukrainian army is routed from the east, the lack of defensive positions behind Donbass will mean that they will displace to Dnieper river, where new North-South facing defensive lines are being built

The steppe behind Donetsk is not defensible , they can’t build Surovikin lines behind Donbass and neither can they man them

They will retreat under VKS AirPower and go to Dnieper defenses

Sumy, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk and Poltava will see referendums, then it will be time to work on the Panther Wotan line 2.0

higurashihougi wrote:

The Ukrainian people get to have their own country

The Ukrainians deserve to have their own country, like Russians (including Russians in Crimea and Donbass who wish to join Russian Federation) do. Period.

Ukraine is expected to be denazified, de-NATOed, to be aware of the historical truth free of Western propaganda, and to be friendly with all of its neighbors, from Russia to Poland and Hungary.

But Ukraine is neither a pie nor a trophy to be divided and enslaved by conquerors.

No one deserves a country. I'm of Ukrainian decent and I can tell you only those willing to fight and actually successfully defends the land deserve a country. With that, as like my Serbian friends told me over the phone that it's literally brothers fighting brothers, like Serbs and Croats. The west was able to get these polish galacian fucks to make such a mess that now Russia has to clean up that mess. The mess left over by Soviets that allowed these fucks to create trouble.

So no, they don't deserve a country.

don’t think it’s about whether they deserve it or not. Ukraine as a state is US product. A product of the Brzezinski doctrine on how to dismantle the USSR so that Russia never regains its status as a global power.

This is purely a political game—a mix of interests, economics, and supporting the war machine. I only hope Uncle Vova won’t stop until Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, and Kharkov return na Rodinu.

But the decision will likely come after analyzing all possible options and constraints, which we don't know and likely never learn either.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

higurashihougi wrote:
The Ukrainians deserve to have their own country, like Russians (including Russians in Crimea and Donbass who wish to join Russian Federation) do. Period.

Ukraine is expected to be denazified, de-NATOed, to be aware of the historical truth free of Western propaganda, and to be friendly with all of its neighbors, from Russia to Poland and Hungary.

But Ukraine is neither a pie nor a trophy to be divided and enslaved by conquerors.

Ukraine was never a country. At best it was a bunch of regions between other countries.
Yes it had some of the elements of a nation, but they alone do not suffice to have statehood.

Its only definition is "Ukraine is not Russia".

Without that they do not have anything.

Since "independence" country 404 is based on the following principles:

• Hate and refusal of Russia;
  
• Being a leech (first from the hated Russia, and more recently from the new masters);
  
• Nazi simbolism;
  
• Cult of bandiera.
  

You forgot the original Varangian state ruled by Askold and Dir that was under the control of the Khazars and/or the Original Hungarians.

In addition to the later medieval duchies like that of Kiev, Galicia-Volhynia; for much of their existence these duchies were under tributary control of the Mongols.

The short-lived Ukrainian rebel state during 1648-1654.

A couple of short-lived Ukrainian states soon after First World War.


Could be that is why they hate ethnic Poles so much, because they think that it was because of us that they could not be independent, and that enrages them so much since such a numerous nationality not having an independent state for such a long time is nothing to be proud of.

Ethnic Ukrainians under Polish rule were not treated badly.