Russian special military operation in Ukraine #6

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:Ex Swiss intelligence services gives an assessment.
Rarely in the west.

What is the action of Russians?
That's completely different. You have clearly announced your goal. You want to "demilitarize" and "denazification". If you are honestly tracking the reporting, it's just what you do. Of course, a war is a war, and unfortunately there are always dead, but it's interesting to see what the numbers say. On Friday (4.3.) The UN moved a balance. She reported by 265 killed Ukrainian civilians. In the evening, the Russian Ministry of Defense has given the number of dead soldiers with 498. That means there are more victims at the Russian military than under the civilians on the Ukrainian side. If one compares that with Irak or Libya now, then the western warfare is exactly the other way around.

Full: https://zeitgeschehen-im-fokus.ch/de/newspaper-ausgabe/nr-4-vom-15-maerz-2022.html#article_1306

The are skipping a tiny fact. Over 15,000 have died in this war since 2014 and 80% were on the DPR side mostly civilians.

Isn't it funny how so many people think the war started on Feb 24 2022 not Feb 24 2014.

Vann7 wrote:,but instead stealth f-35
that will not be seen as 150km at all , but more like 50km with luck.

The S-400 can be equipped with L-band radars such as Gamma-DE, designed to detect stealth targets, it has an estimated range against targets with RCS 0.1 m² up to 240/175 km

http://www.rusarmy.com/pvo/pvo_vvs/rls_gamma-de.html

The estimated average frontal RCS for the F-35 is up to 0.16m2 in the L band

https://mobile.twitter.com/Flankerchan/status/1456991340256841732/photo/3

And you say 50km...

Vann, again you are categorically wrong

The performance of the Russian army is perfect considering the rules of engagement to the army.

Russia is not slaughtering the Ukrainians in their strongholds because of the civilian population

Russia could easily level all of Kharkov, mariupol and kiev, as well as all Ukraine, but the casualties would number 1 million deaths

Russia is not going to do this

As for Poland, Ukraine is much stronger than Poland or any NATO state militarily, it is an army fighting for 8 years with high manpower,load of Soviet equipment, fanatical level morale, and NATO support, and the densest air defenses in all Europe

Drones are supplied to Ukraine in huge quantities, and Ukraine cannot even make any movements

This is why your recommendation means absolutely nothing

Because it changes nothing and is a tactical system with little implications at large for the conflict

Poland does not have a PVO and its rear areas would fall quicker than Ukraine did

In fact Russia take the same approach with Poland and the results would be the same if not faster

The name of the game is to clear the cities of Ukrainian forces without incurring huge damage to the civilian population

That is something drones have no bearing on

Erk wrote:

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:Ex Swiss intelligence services gives an assessment.
Rarely in the west.

What is the action of Russians?
That's completely different. You have clearly announced your goal. You want to "demilitarize" and "denazification". If you are honestly tracking the reporting, it's just what you do. Of course, a war is a war, and unfortunately there are always dead, but it's interesting to see what the numbers say. On Friday (4.3.) The UN moved a balance. She reported by 265 killed Ukrainian civilians. In the evening, the Russian Ministry of Defense has given the number of dead soldiers with 498. That means there are more victims at the Russian military than under the civilians on the Ukrainian side. If one compares that with Irak or Libya now, then the western warfare is exactly the other way around.

Full: https://zeitgeschehen-im-fokus.ch/de/newspaper-ausgabe/nr-4-vom-15-maerz-2022.html#article_1306

The are skipping a tiny fact. Over 15,000 have died in this war since 2014 and 80% were on the DPR side mostly civilians.

Isn't it funny how so many people think the war started on Feb 24 2022 not Feb 24 2014.

Why me? I know that. What are you telling me here?
My link above goes to an interview with a Swiss ex-secret Men.

Read the whole interview. Yes, it is certainly easy to read in German with Translator. There is everything in it, including things before 2014, as with the ABM contract, the "defensive" starter lamps in Poland, etc.

Exactly, the duty should be for every zombie in the West!

Another excerpt ...
Has something happened on 16 February?

Yes, that day we see an extreme increase in ceasefire injuries through the Ukrainian military along the ceasefire line, the so-called contact line. There have been injuries over the past eight years, but since February 12, we had an extreme increase in explosions, especially in the area of ​​Donetsk and Lugansk. This is known only because everything was logged by the OSCE mission in Donbas. You can read these protocols in the "Daily Reports" of the OSCE.

What did the Ukrainian military wanted to achieve with it?

It was certainly about the beginning of an offensive against the Donbas. When the artillery is becoming increasingly strong, the authorities of the two republics began to evacuate the civilian population and bring to Russia. Sergei Lawrov spoke in an interview of 100,000 fled. In Russia, the signs of a large-scale surgery were seen.

What were the consequences?

This approach of the Ukrainian military has basically triggered everything. At this time, Putin realized that Ukraine wants to carry out an offensive against the two republics. On February 15, the Russian parliament, Duma, adopted a resolution that suggests recognizing the two republics. At first, Putin did not respond, but when the attacks became more and stronger, he decided on 21 February to implement the call for parliamentary resolution.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Who cares about this nonsense

The only thing which matters is the situation on the ground

Approach to Vyshev continues apace with chechen forces massing for the push to Vasilkov

Simultaneously units advance towards Gogolev

In the east Russians already are cutting around Slavyansk and approaching the city, big strikes occur in the east

Simulatenously in the south units advance from volnovakha towards Kurakhovo

In Nikolaev, the massing of forces continues and reserves are in place for an assault on the city

No the situation on the ground is not what matters, the Ukraine at this point is an extension of NATO and the West, and they will not surrender under any circumstances and neither will their population. As their weapons are more the cameras and the narrative, which can't be countered

The only way the Ukraine can lose is if the West or at least EU collapses; but they're in full war propaganda mode and giving the Ukraine every type of aid and Russia every type of sanction short of military action.

What Russia needs to do now, our leadership, is realize they seriously fucked up and chill on the ultimatums and conditions, then move back to where they have local support, which is the LNR and DNR. Because staying in the rest of the Ukraine will not achieve anything politically, it will just keep adding to more bloodshed.
Then our leadership should resign subjected to charges, with a new interim government put in place.

That's what's fucking up the thread JohninMK, troll shitposters like flaming python

Then I have to go back and set the record straight

Flaming the era of Gorbachev capitulation ended my friend, you and your band are not in charge of anything

Nor are you entitled to an opinion given that it was your kind that created this massively unfavorable situation for Russian national security

It was your ilk and kind which brought NATO to the border

So quiet yourself, and go back to the fetal position you were in since 1991

Let professionals work

How similar are russian tank tactics in this war compared to syrian tank tactics and tactics during the 1st chechen war?


Is there any info on how much approval of russia there still is in areas like nikolaev, denpropetrovsk and zaporozhye? One of the major propaganda talking points is that the people fighting russia in ukraine are local russian speakers, not west ukrainians.

I would hope there is a socialist govenrment that takes power in eastern ukraine with the help of Russia. The proletariat there has been suffering from the evils of the neoliberal junta there for far too long from things such as private ownership of industry, wage stagnation, hypercompetitive job market, privatized energy distribution, murder of socialists. As such, socialists in ukraine are probably the only political fac tions who aren't rabidly pro-western and russophobic.  Hopefully ukraine's major industrial and agricultural assets like nikolaev, kremenchug become collectivized by their employees, and the proletariat in the area can fight off any neoliberal russophobic rebellion.

limb wrote:How similar are russian tank tactics in this war compared to syrian tank tactics and tactics during the 1st chechen war?


Is there any info on how much approval of russia there still is in areas like nikolaev, denpropetrovsk and zaporozhye? One of the major propaganda talking points is that the people fighting russia in ukraine are local russian speakers, not west ukrainians.

I would hope there is a socialist govenrment that takes power in eastern ukraine with the help of Russia. The proletariat there has been suffering from the evils of the neoliberal junta there for far too long from things such as private ownership of industry, wage stagnation, hypercompetitive job market, privatized energy distribution, murder of socialists. As such, socialists in ukraine are probably the only political fac tions who aren't rabidly pro-western and russophobic.  Hopefully ukraine's major industrial and agricultural assets like nikolaev, kremenchug become collectivized by their employees, and the proletariat in the area can fight off any neoliberal russophobic rebellion.

Dude you should just grab a subscription to the New York times to read information which is similar to the useless trash you post

You would really like it, it really suits your lack of reading and comprehension skills

You see JohninMK that's what fucks up the thread

Limb, FlamingPython, Vann7, Aristide, Waltercocksucker and all the other troll shitposters on here clogging up the forum with inane bullshit

The current Russian estimates are 76,000 Ukr combatants on the LDNR front. There are also 14,500 militants in Mariupol.
So the Khuyiv regime actually sent reinforcements when it announced a pull back almost two weeks ago.

Big_Gazza wrote:

flamming_python wrote:
No the situation on the ground is not what matters, the Ukraine at this point is an extension of NATO and the West, and they will not surrender under any circumstances and neither will their population. As their weapons are more the cameras and the narrative, which can't be countered

The only way the Ukraine can lose is if the West or at least EU collapses; but they're in full war propaganda mode and giving the Ukraine every type of aid and Russia every type of sanction short of military action.

What Russia needs to do now, our leadership, is realize they seriously fucked up and chill on the ultimatums and conditions, then move back to where they have local support, which is the LNR and DNR. Because staying in the rest of the Ukraine will not achieve anything politically, it will just keep adding to more bloodshed.
Then our leadership should resign subjected to charges, with a new interim government put in place.

Disgusting little commie 5th column quisling...  carrying water for Russias enemies while pretending to be concerned about the fate of Ukrainian civilians, and now openly admitting he is a regime-change advocate.

If I was a Mod i'd give you a lifetime ban. What a prick.

Absolutely not, I'm not for capitulation to the West in any way shape or form. Just for ending this senseless war.

But we cannot have such a leadership in charge any more

And the elites better think about these things, before a oligarch-sponsored revolution rises up and puts some new Yeltsin in control

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgorod%E2%80%93Kharkov_offensive_operation

Guys this is an excellent link, the Belgorod Kharkov offensive in ww 2 codenamed Operation Polkovodets Rumyantsev 

This Kharkov operation is exactly the same premise, the dash for Chuhuyev and Zmiev , and the advances toward Poltava are highly reminiscent of the battles today

albeit the ground red army covered, covered by VSRF in record time

flamming_python wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

flamming_python wrote:
No the situation on the ground is not what matters, the Ukraine at this point is an extension of NATO and the West, and they will not surrender under any circumstances and neither will their population. As their weapons are more the cameras and the narrative, which can't be countered

The only way the Ukraine can lose is if the West or at least EU collapses; but they're in full war propaganda mode and giving the Ukraine every type of aid and Russia every type of sanction short of military action.

What Russia needs to do now, our leadership, is realize they seriously fucked up and chill on the ultimatums and conditions, then move back to where they have local support, which is the LNR and DNR. Because staying in the rest of the Ukraine will not achieve anything politically, it will just keep adding to more bloodshed.
Then our leadership should resign subjected to charges, with a new interim government put in place.

Disgusting little commie 5th column quisling...  carrying water for Russias enemies while pretending to be concerned about the fate of Ukrainian civilians, and now openly admitting he is a regime-change advocate.

If I was a Mod i'd give you a lifetime ban. What a prick.

Absolutely not, I'm not for capitulation to the West in any way shape or form. Just for ending this senseless war.

But we cannot have such a leadership in charge any more

And the elites better think about these things, before a oligarch-sponsored revolution rises up and puts some new Yeltsin in control

Oligarchs are crying and sobbing at their yachts and repossessed homes,

With sanctions, Putin is the strongest man in Russia

You can thank your handlers in DC for that

Arkanghelsk wrote:That's what's fucking up the thread JohninMK, troll shitposters like flaming python

Then I have to go back and set the record straight

Flaming the era of Gorbachev capitulation ended my friend, you and your band are not in charge of anything

Nor are you entitled to an opinion given that it was your kind that created this massively unfavorable situation for Russian national security

It was your ilk and kind which brought NATO to the border

So quiet yourself, and go back to the fetal position you were in since 1991

Let professionals work

The only thing I see is industrial-scale killing and the ruining of millions of lives. Over a thousand Ukrainian military dead a day. Can you imagine all the families now left without a breadwinner.

I would like to see you in the position of an ordinary person in the Ukraine. Not a Banderite, not employed by the regime, not even a serviceman, but just an ordinary person.

This criminal stupidity has to stop. What the hell conditions can Russia enforce on the Ukraine with such a strategy. They've given the regime there all they could possibly want. Russians and Ukrainians will be like Serbians and Croatians for a long time now. The Ukrainians will do everything to ruin any Russian security interests from now on.
And what now? Just to keep going further and further?

Withdrawing won't mean that Washington wins, nor the EU. They're still screwed with commodity prices and domestic unrest.

flamming_python wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:That's what's fucking up the thread JohninMK, troll shitposters like flaming python

Then I have to go back and set the record straight

Flaming the era of Gorbachev capitulation ended my friend, you and your band are not in charge of anything

Nor are you entitled to an opinion given that it was your kind that created this massively unfavorable situation for Russian national security

It was your ilk and kind which brought NATO to the border

So quiet yourself, and go back to the fetal position you were in since 1991

Let professionals work

The only thing I see is industrial-scale killing and the ruining of millions of lives. Over a thousand Ukrainian military dead a day. Can you imagine all the families now left without a breadwinner.

I would like to see you in the position of an ordinary person in the Ukraine. Not a Banderite, not employed by the regime, not even a serviceman, but just an ordinary person.

This criminal stupidity has to stop. What the hell conditions can Russia enforce on the Ukraine with such a strategy. They've given the regime there all they could possibly want. Russians and Ukrainians will be like Serbians and Croatians for a long time now.

Good, they deserve it, difference between Serbia and Russia is that Russia stuck their boot in Ukraines ass and took the krajina and the whole pie to boot!

Arkanghelsk wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:That's what's fucking up the thread JohninMK, troll shitposters like flaming python

Then I have to go back and set the record straight

Flaming the era of Gorbachev capitulation ended my friend, you and your band are not in charge of anything

Nor are you entitled to an opinion given that it was your kind that created this massively unfavorable situation for Russian national security

It was your ilk and kind which brought NATO to the border

So quiet yourself, and go back to the fetal position you were in since 1991

Let professionals work

The only thing I see is industrial-scale killing and the ruining of millions of lives. Over a thousand Ukrainian military dead a day. Can you imagine all the families now left without a breadwinner.

I would like to see you in the position of an ordinary person in the Ukraine. Not a Banderite, not employed by the regime, not even a serviceman, but just an ordinary person.

This criminal stupidity has to stop. What the hell conditions can Russia enforce on the Ukraine with such a strategy. They've given the regime there all they could possibly want. Russians and Ukrainians will be like Serbians and Croatians for a long time now.

Good, they deserve it, difference between Serbia and Russia is that Russia stuck their boot in Ukraines ass and took the krajina and the whole pie to boot!

You're nothing but a Nazi yourself

This shit will do absolutely 0 good.

flamming_python wrote:

Arkanghelsk wrote:That's what's fucking up the thread JohninMK, troll shitposters like flaming python

Then I have to go back and set the record straight

Flaming the era of Gorbachev capitulation ended my friend, you and your band are not in charge of anything

Nor are you entitled to an opinion given that it was your kind that created this massively unfavorable situation for Russian national security

It was your ilk and kind which brought NATO to the border

So quiet yourself, and go back to the fetal position you were in since 1991

Let professionals work

The only thing I see is industrial-scale killing and the ruining of millions of lives. Over a thousand Ukrainian military dead a day. Can you imagine all the families now left without a breadwinner.

I would like to see you in the position of an ordinary person in the Ukraine. Not a Banderite, not employed by the regime, not even a serviceman, but just an ordinary person.

This criminal stupidity has to stop. What the hell conditions can Russia enforce on the Ukraine with such a strategy. They've given the regime there all they could possibly want. Russians and Ukrainians will be like Serbians and Croatians for a long time now.

Blame yourself and your commie fags who allowed this to happen. It wasn't Russia who created Ukraine, it wasn't Russia that armed and trained Nazis and it wasn't Russia that was to prevent the nazis doing what they want. This was the end result.

Why not accept the fact that Russia is cleaning up the mess left over by the politbureau back in the day that resulted to the monstrosity of Ukraine after 1991?

Why not accept the fact that this war became inevitable?

Would you rather Russia take the fight to Ukraine to remove these assholes or would you rather wait till they have done something to Russia? We already learned they were building a nuke. We already learned they planned to attack. We learned a lot of the horror they were going to commit, not accounting what they already did.

Let me ask you, do you seriously give more of a shit about them or your own? Because I think the type of stupidity you say, you would have blamed putin either way - "Why didn't we do something to stop them before they attacked us and killed thousands of our people?" Vs "why are we hurting them and stopping them?"

Seriously.

Mike your arguing with a fucking pickle

He called me a nazi

He wants to ceasefire to the murderers and genocidal freaks of Kiev

And depose the nazis in Moscow

Better dead than fucking red thats for sure !

Anyway this clown is on the ignore list, it's no different than talking to a navalnyist or some kind of vennediktov

Arkanghelsk wrote:Mike your arguing with a fucking pickle

He called me a nazi

He wants to ceasefire to the murderers and genocidal freaks of Kiev

And depose the nazis in Moscow

Better dead than fucking red thats for sure !

Anyway this clown is on the ignore list, it's no different than talking to a navalnyist or some kind of vennediktov

That's the thing I don't get. It's right in his fucking face what's happening and he still doesn't get it. He is apparently a programmer which requires to use a fucking brain but he doesn't use his.

miketheterrible wrote:
Blame yourself and your commie fags who allowed this to happen.  It wasn't Russia who created Ukraine, it wasn't Russia that armed and trained Nazis and it wasn't Russia that was to prevent the nazis doing what they want.  This was the end result.

Why not accept the fact that Russia is cleaning up the mess left over by the politbureau back in the day that resulted to the monstrosity of Ukraine after 1991?

Why not accept the fact that this war became inevitable?

Would you rather Russia take the fight to Ukraine to remove these assholes or would you rather wait till they have done something to Russia? We already learned they were building a nuke. We already learned they planned to attack. We learned a lot of the horror they were going to commit, not accounting what they already did.

Let me ask you, do you seriously give more of a shit about them or your own?  Because I think the type of stupidity you say, you would have blamed putin either way - "Why didn't we do something to stop them before they attacked us and killed thousands of our people?" Vs "why are we hurting them and stopping them?"

Seriously.

What have we learned and who told you?

Regardless of whatever, they weren't the ones who broke the Minsk agreements, built a dirty bomb, or anything of the sort. This all has to be proven.

Atlascub, i believe used the phrase "never send a russian to make a deal"

He was wrong, the correct phrase is "never send an imbecile communist to make a deal"

That's why Putin is a savior for Russia, if it was the KPRF , it would be fucked right now

flamming_python wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:
Blame yourself and your commie fags who allowed this to happen.  It wasn't Russia who created Ukraine, it wasn't Russia that armed and trained Nazis and it wasn't Russia that was to prevent the nazis doing what they want.  This was the end result.

Why not accept the fact that Russia is cleaning up the mess left over by the politbureau back in the day that resulted to the monstrosity of Ukraine after 1991?

Why not accept the fact that this war became inevitable?

Would you rather Russia take the fight to Ukraine to remove these assholes or would you rather wait till they have done something to Russia? We already learned they were building a nuke. We already learned they planned to attack. We learned a lot of the horror they were going to commit, not accounting what they already did.

Let me ask you, do you seriously give more of a shit about them or your own?  Because I think the type of stupidity you say, you would have blamed putin either way - "Why didn't we do something to stop them before they attacked us and killed thousands of our people?" Vs "why are we hurting them and stopping them?"

Seriously.

What have we learned and who told you?

Regardless of whatever, they weren't the ones who broke the Minsk agreements, built a dirty bomb, or anything of the sort. This all has to be proven.

They didn't break Minsk agreements? Are you sure of that? You are aware that - shelling the donbass for last 8 years and - building up forces along the contact line and - foreign weapons were breaking the Minsk agreements?

Seriously dude, you clearly are either brain damaged or fucking dumb.

Even Jimmy Dore, Max Blumenthal, Aaron Matte, George Galloway, Bryan MacDonald, and plenty others pointed out how Ukraine broke the Minsk agreements since day 1.

Or do you think the 14K dead civilians in Donbass for last 8 years just dropped dead all by themselves?

Arkanghelsk wrote:I posted this earlier, about Glazyev JohninMk got pissed since its OT

Personally even though it's not Ukraine war related, it is related to the NATO Russia confrontation which is going on and might be the bigger picture of this Operation Z

Glazyev and other modern postSoviet Economic Theorists are developing a new system at the supranational global governance level

Russia is reviving as the EAEU

I saw it and thought this confirmation was interesting, since Escobar checks with his contacts and can help with the context of the news.

Personally I am not following other threads at the moment, and all these news are closely related. But I understand John and strictly speaking he is right.

MoD briefing from today

Russian aviation destroyed 86 objects of Ukrainian troops

Ministry of Defense: Russian aviation destroyed 86 objects of Ukrainian troops on March 14

MOSCOW, March 14 - RIA Novosti. The Russian Aerospace Forces hit 86 objects of Ukrainian troops in a day, Major General Igor Konashenkov, spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry, said on Monday.
"Operational-tactical, army and unmanned aircraft hit 86 objects of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, including: four command and control centers and communication centers, three anti-aircraft missile systems, one radar station, one electronic warfare station, three ammunition depots and fuel and lubricants, 68 places of accumulation of military equipment" - said Konashenkov

https://ria.ru/20220314/aviatsiya-1778150809.html
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