Russian special military operation in Ukraine #6

Odin of Ossetia wrote:
And it also applies so much to the Alawite tyrants in Syria.

Russia is supporting the wrong side in Syria.

Stop viewing the world in white/black spectrum. Assad could be jew for what I care, but his regime is closest to legitimate one, others are just chaos actors and separatists, without it Syria would collapse into multiple states.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Vann, you are very poorly informed, Tb2 and drones in general did not affect the casualties in this war in any big way

Again only 1% of losses can be attributed to drone strikes and that goes for both sides

Russian drones seem to be hitting VIP targets and that 1% does make a difference when operational command bunkers or weapon caches are destroyed. Not to mention, hunt for mobile artillery, like we seen MLRS hiding between buildings that were hunted down. UAVs are doing God's work, listen to what Ukrainians have to say about them being targetted by artillery guided by UAVs... Not to mention DNR videos where they asking for drone donations and explaining about importance of them. This is artillery war in the end, but UAVs are artillerymens best friend.

Arkanghelsk wrote:That's what's fucking up the thread JohninMK, troll shitposters like flaming python

Then I have to go back and set the record straight

Flaming the era of Gorbachev capitulation ended my friend, you and your band are not in charge of anything

Nor are you entitled to an opinion given that it was your kind that created this massively unfavorable situation for Russian national security

It was your ilk and kind which brought NATO to the border

So quiet yourself, and go back to the fetal position you were in since 1991

Let professionals work

The funniest thing is that any true communist statesmen like Stalin would send such defeatist saboteur to Siberia for way less. But that is why the the "true" commies called Stalin counter-revolutionary isn't it? You can't fix stupid, the same way Trotskyist drones will never learn to use their brains

flamming_python wrote:
What have we learned and who told you?

Regardless of whatever, they weren't the ones who broke the Minsk agreements, built a dirty bomb, or anything of the sort. This all has to be proven.

They did not break the fucking Minsk agreements? Could you please pull your head off your arse at least once in eight years?

Myself and the rest of the folks that have actually read the agreements know what simple requirements they stipulated, of which NONE was implemented by the regime. The ones like myself that can read and listen have heard ukie officials dismiss any chance of doing their part while they kept happily boasting about killing civilians and eliminating anything Russian from Ukraine.

As to denying the WMD component, with bioweapon labs on your fucking border and the clown talking about nukes in a country infested with nazis speaking openly about annihilating Russia, it just proves the total inadequacy of your kind. Even the communist party has supported the action, but you prefer civilians to keep being killed than your government acting responsibly to save them. You, talking from a high horse at the expense of the lives of thousands of Donbass people and willing to gamble with those of millions of Russians more, still think highly of yourself as a defender of human rights. You as your Bolshevik forefathers loath Russia and want it destroyed first and foremost, that is now 100% clear to me.

I know emotions are high, but can we just refrain from ad-hominems and cutting each other throats, soon there will be few of us left here. Flaming is an old member here and he lives in Russia as well, so ruling out his opinion is silly and I would never call him Ukrainian shill or propagandon. I mostly agree with him, but... this is just an extension of conflict that was never resolved from 2014 and there were no peaceful solutions, no one cared about Minsk agreement at this point and blood was being spilled for 8 years. I only imagined limited intervention and destruction of military near Donbas, not full-scale war. To call Ukraine an innocent victim here is wrong.

If they moved all military back from active positions into defensive ones and stopped shelling DNR/LNR and froze the conflict themselves - then yes, but now they have little to no moral grounds to be called victims. Now they are getting a taste of Donbas themselves and it's terrible when they are the ones on the receiving end.

It would be better if there were less trolls and defeatist spreading their bullshit on one of the last pro russian forums of the English speaking world

If you want to be a loser, go somewhere else, seriously

Don't spread that shit here, gtfo and go to f16.net

Right now is not the time for "pluralism of views"

Pro Russian view is blocked on 99% of English world internet , TV, and media

So gtfo with the sob stories, if you want to dismantle Russia and gobble western propaganda

Gtfo

Arkanghelsk wrote:It would be better if there were less trolls and defeatist spreading their bullshit on one of the last pro russian forums of the English speaking world

If you want to be a loser, go somewhere else, seriously

Don't spread that shit here, gtfo and go to f16.net

Haha, I don't think it can be worse than f16.net.

Trolls can be ignored, but they come and go. Defeatism is also sporadic, didn't you also have a period where you felt blue about this? FP also seems to bounce from "zrada" to "peremoha" and I think it's normal. I have my doubts about this as well. I mean, military it's done deal, but who knows what will happen next - I was not ready for these global changes and they scare me. Last thing I want to see is an Iron curtain when I have close family in Russia

Meh, flaming is a good guy, just has his head in the clouds. At least he can be reasoned with.

Now that doesn't go for most members here.

Regular wrote:I know emotions are high, but can we just refrain from ad-hominems and cutting each other throats, soon there will be few of us left here. Flaming is an old member here and he lives in Russia as well, so ruling out his opinion is silly and I would never call him Ukrainian shill or propagandon. I mostly agree with him, but... this is just an extension of conflict that was never resolved from 2014 and there were no peaceful solutions, no one cared about Minsk agreement at this point and blood was being spilled for 8 years. I only imagined limited intervention and destruction of military near Donbas, not full-scale war. To call Ukraine an innocent victim here is wrong.

If they moved all military back from active positions into defensive ones and stopped shelling DNR/LNR and froze the conflict themselves - then yes, but now they have little to no moral grounds to be called victims. Now they are getting a taste of Donbas themselves and it's terrible when they are the ones on the receiving end.

Your ideological similarities and focus on concealed anti-Russian propaganda are clear to all of us, but thanks for reminding it.

Ukrainians with a brain and a bit of integrity know it is necessary to go through this to get their country rid of the nazis and the puppet regime that had taken them hostage, sunk them in poverty and planed to get them all killed in the end. Standing is harder than being on your knees, but it also takes you much further.

Australian media claiming Russian offensive will collapse in 10 days due to lack of food fuel ammunition.

Lurk83 wrote:Australian media claiming Russian offensive will collapse in 10 days due to lack of food fuel ammunition.

Ok

Not sure what offensive. Most seems to be pushes for cauldrons. Not a whole lot of fighting besides picking off some Ukies.

And resupply vehicles and food and such all seen back and forth.

Yeah I was pissed in the beginning , seeing guys die to spare dirty Ukrainians

But **** it, as long as Ukraine is ripped a new asshole and Banderism is suppressed it is what the powers that be say it is

I'd rather they level Ukraine, but I understand the plan to incorporate useful Ukraine into EAEU so it's necessary to capture so called hearts and minds

Which in the end is less of a choice and more of imposing conditions on all Ukraine

Any back OT

https://t.me/istorijaoruzija/43821

https://t.me/istorijaoruzija/43822?single

The center of Kharkov is being LIT UP

https://t.me/intelslava/22376

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:

What a stupid peson are you? The part is not active! It was turned off and then driven into a garage. There you can park a star fortream in it. When all the lamps offline then then Kill. .

Listen no bullshit.

is not active ,because can only fire 4 missiles.. that's the point stupid, you overwhelm the air defense
and then later send more drones to finish it.  In the armenian conflict ,azerbaijan used planes as decoys, that those tor system destroyed , then later drones comes and finish them..

in syria it was the same.. over there israel overwhelmed those pantsirs defenses.. with false targets and with loitering munition. that's how they defeated several pantsirs in syria.  is called saturation attacks..   this is the point , that all this russian defenses are not ideal to fight an airspace filled with many targets . s-400s , s-300s , pantsirs , tors , buks.. all those air defenses can be easily overwhelmed , ambushed , using mountains as cover..  none of this russian air defenses are practical for a real war against nato.. they have too many ways to overwhelm russian defenses..  

israel have bombed for years syria ,where pantsirs ,tors and buks are in syrian army inventory ,without a single plane lost.. but russia in just 2 weeks in ukraine have lost like a dozen of aircraft

israel airforce by just firing 8 missiles can manage 2 or 3 to enter and hit their intended targets..
is very rare when russian air defenses intercept 100% of the targets. In war , failing just one time
can be the different between your command station to be destroyed or not. just one miss , is failure.

and to brag about s-400s shooting down a soviet era plane , 150km away by an amateur pilot with a plane without electronic warfare with a very huge radar signature is pointless . NATO will not fight russia with soviet era planes..   they will send f-35's that will get very close up to 50km of the air defense and launch a missile with false targets then move away ,hit and run ,firing missiles from a short distance that will not leave enough time for russian air defenses to intercept all of them. specially when using many false targets ,that identify as planes or fake drones.

NATO or israel will use saturation attacks , to destroy any russian air defenses , is a tactic that will always work.. if the air defense is without missiles and not operating.. so what? not an excuse ,in wars you need protection at all times.. you can't tell the enemy.. wait .. i need to reload by air defenses.  

if armenia had s-400s , the result will have been the same , completely destroyed by cheap drones ,it will have been saturated  pretty easily. if syria had s-400s same.. will have been destroyed ,even with pantsirs support. none of russian missile defenses are ideal for skies infested with false targets and cheap drones and loitering munition that hug terrain and can fly for hours ,hunting for targets.  russian military is not properly armed to achieve air superiority anywhere in europe.. if russia airforce find it difficult to fly in ukraine and so many planes shot down.. imagine how much worse it will be flying over germany or france or even poland if fully armed by nato. Russian airforce neither had a chance to fly over israel.. if anything have shown us the ukraine war ,is that russia airforce tactics are very weak. since ukraine can continue taking down those russian planes.

had israel was flying over ukraine , they will have done far better than russia. they have proven they can defeat the syria airspace that is far more defended than ukraine airspace and still manage to hit
anywhere they want . that most of their attacks intercepted ? so what? if just one enter ,is all they need just one missile that hit a weapons depot , can cause catastrophic problems for the russian military operations and put in danger their operations.

miketheterrible wrote:

Lurk83 wrote:Australian media claiming Russian offensive will collapse in 10 days due to lack of food fuel ammunition.

Ok

Not sure what offensive. Most seems to be pushes for cauldrons. Not a whole lot of fighting besides picking off some Ukies.

And resupply vehicles and food and such all seen back and forth.

Mike, this clown is spreading NATO propaganda , the forum is crawling with them

This is what has destroyed the thread and the forum to be honest

It's literally like f16.net on here

Majority are for Russian defeat, and support regime change

And the mods just let these people on here

You cannot consider this to be even a pro russian forum

It's more like a crypto above top secret forum or like a sub reddit

Reading this is like reading any thread on reddit, or f16.net

The resident clown trolling about drones and loitering munitions

The other one calling for Russian Revolution

Lurker is hanging around injecting NATO propaganda

And the list goes on and on

It makes no sense to post anything when it gets overwritten by a wall of anti Russian text

Telegram is better to just follow the war

miketheterrible wrote:Meh, flaming is a good guy, just has his head in the clouds. At least he can be reasoned with.

Now that doesn't go for most members here.

I have never managed to reason anything with him, since he does not actually listen. He does not hate the nazis, he hates Putin. He does not feel sorry for the deaths of the Russians, but for the ukies. He shares the same resentful passive-aggressive attitude, unhinged ideological stance and hatred of Russia of the guys that destroyed it in the past. These are the true snakes in the grass that need to be studied and understood.

LMFS, you're wasting your time

There's nothing to study, nemtsov, vennediktov, Navalny, Niabiullina, Sobchak, Grudinin, the list goes on and on

These pathological russophobes are everywhere

All they do is spread anti Russian propaganda

Belisarius wrote:

Vann7 wrote:,but instead stealth f-35
that will not be seen as 150km at all , but more like 50km with luck.

The S-400 can be equipped with L-band radars such as Gamma-DE, designed to detect stealth targets, it has an estimated range against targets with RCS 0.1 m² up to 240/175 km

http://www.rusarmy.com/pvo/pvo_vvs/rls_gamma-de.html

The estimated average frontal RCS for the F-35 is up to 0.16m2 in the L band

https://mobile.twitter.com/Flankerchan/status/1456991340256841732/photo/3

And you say 50km...

lband radars can't be used to provide fire solution to missiles ,is only to have a more or less idea of where the enemy plane could be . it means that still will need to wait until the plane is very close to lock in the target..

so l-band radars is not a magical solution , aside that nato can hide their planes real positions
using electronic warfare and false targets , exactly how israel does in syria. that manage to bypass
all syrian air defenses at will. hit the target intended and then leave like nothing . they make it look easy , to defeat russian air defenses.

found a video ,that shows more or less how nato will fight russia s-400s..

nato can deceive russian radars , by thinking that false targets are planes.
to overwhelm the air defenses.. they can deceive russian radars to make it look a hundred of planes and missiles are flying towards them. russian air defenses will need to go to the drawing board ,
if it have problems in ukraine , it will be much more harder in a nato country , next to impossible for russia military to fight a major nato power or israel.

flamming_python wrote:they weren't the ones who broke the Minsk agreements, built a dirty bomb, or anything of the sort. This all has to be proven

The Ukrainian regime certainly broke the Minsk agreements. They basically lost the War on Donbass in the field, signed a highly reasonable deal with the Donbass, and failed to act upon it. Instead they continued their shelling. Most shelling is also done by them as you can see if you read the OSCE reports. They had almost eight whole years to fulfill their part of the deal.

And if you hear anyone saying that Russia broke the Budapest Memorandum when they annexed Crimea. You should learn that according to the Budapest Memorandum text, and all its clauses, you aren't supposed to fund coups against the government of Ukraine. The Memorandum is not just about preserving Ukraine's physical border. Guess who broke that deal first.

flamming_python wrote:

ludovicense wrote:Russia doesn't want the Syrian scenario or a new Grosny. It would be politically prohibitive. Ukraine is a huge country with equally large conventional forces.... it wouldn't be overnight that this operation would be completed... if Russian intelligence or anyone else thought that, they were wrong....

I have a feeling both sides are just trying to increase their negotiating positions

What I see the ultimate solution as:

Military neutrality
Possibly an agreement with both the EU and EEU on trade preferences
DNR/LNR entering the Ukraine as republics with autonomy and own police forces
Mostly demilitarized Ukraine, albeit still with a standing army, which will have some battalions based on the DNR/LNR forces as well integrated in
Nazis still present but keep their head down more
Creation of the Trans-Carpathian republic out of the current Trans-Carpathian region, with Hungarian and Rusyn as extra official languages there, and some autonomy (not as much as DNR/LNR)
Military access rights for Russia to Pridnestrovie/Moldova
Russian compensation for all destroyed infrastructure, housing in the Ukraine and families of dead soldiers, civilians
Russian reconstruction of destroyed military-industrial enterprises, which can then fulfill orders for the Russian military as well
Amnesty for all political and military prisoners since 2014. Russia and the DNR/LNR releasing anyone they hold as well.
If all goes well then an eventual referendum on the Crimean republic rejoining the Ukraine (minus Sevastopol), provided that Russia has a scope-less limit on military infrastructure there and for free, to ensure its own security interests

it's like reading a Dozhd or Meduza article

Lmfao

With regards to a Ukrainian nuclear program. Zelensky, and other Ukrainian politicians before him, blurbed it out more than once.
Putin is correct that you cannot ignore something like that. North Korea had less capability than Ukraine and they were able to make a program.

Ukraine has Yuzhmash who has the military technical capabilities to make a liquid fueled ICBM if they wanted to. And Ukraine also had the Grom missile program which is basically an Iskander clone. That would have enough range to hit Moscow from their territory.

The Ukrainians also have some of the largest uranium deposits in Europe. They have active uranium mines. They also had a deal with Westinghouse to make uranium fuel rods in Ukraine for their nuclear reactors. All that is left would be to separate plutonium and make a nuclear warhead. And their nuclear engineers are capable enough to do this.