Russian special military operation in Ukraine #59

flamming_python wrote:
I do think Kiev should be taken but it should not be rushed. Such urban battles are immensely costly. For now the focus should be on trying to approach the city from several directions.

Putting Kiev under siege with thousands of Russian forces at close proximity is certainly a good development and will put a lot of pressure towards the Nazi regime in Ukraine and its NATzO sponsors. I'm sure Russia has the capacity to muster enough resources and manpower for this kind of operation, but much depends on the current mood of the Russian leadership, if it have the political capital to pursue such actions.

Ukraine may still have a couple of hundreds of thousands or even a million cannon fodders that it can pluck from the streets to use as meat shields against Russia, this may prove a big nuisance to Russia's further advances, therefore, as I already advocated many times, Russia needs to hit all Food storage and Water facilities in all of Ukraine to kick start a massive Starvation of the entire population. A big cannon fodder army also needs big food and water supply, make food and water supply scarce, and the entire Ukrainian cannon fodder army starves to Death.

Also, imposing famine in Ukraine will make it very costly for Ukraine's NATzO sponsors to maintain its support as food prices across the world continue to skyrocket.  Perhaps this will even provoke mutiny and local riots among the local population in NATzO counties, destabilizing its political leadership.

We must remember that NATO is already waging an All Out War of Extermination against Russia, using its Ukrainian proxies.  Russia should have no qualms in Exterminating its enemies.  Therefore starving Ukrainians to Death is a fully justified and legal action.

Now start hitting those Food and Water targets now Asap! There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth! The prophecy needs to be fulfilled.  Kill them all!

I smell a type of psyop here.   Russia is grappling with the issue as to how much of Ukraine to liberate from the Kiev regime.   There was and still is no established plan
pushed to the Russian people as to what to do in Ukraine.   So far it has been about securing the four regions that rejoined Russia.   But that is clearly not enough.   At the
same time absorbing the massive turd that is the rest of Ukria is almost a nightmare scenario which does not have automatic support from the Russian population.

So, allowing the Kiev regime to engage in large terror attacks in Russia is a form of conditioning of Russians to accept the need to fully regime change Ukria.   People bemoan
that Russia did not take out the Kiev regime from day one.   That is utter nonsense.   How would they take these rats out with a decapitation strike if they are in Poland?
Zelensky was posing in front of green screens from day one trying hard to make it look like he was in Kiev.   The only way to regime change Ukria is to sweep across all of
its territory and not with some air strikes on Kiev.   Well, it looks like the Russian government is going for this option.

Also, it is not just the Russian public that needs to be convinced.   Allowing the Kiev regime to stage such terror attacks also gives Russia an excuse internationally.   This is
a rather big deal since Russia cannot alienate the global south.   The global south does not like invasions and regime change operations.    Having them see the necessity for
this is important.

kvs wrote:I smell a type of psyop here. 

There were a few comments at the start that there had been a de-mining in that area, prior to a Russian attack west. If the de-mining had taken place ahead of an actual plan to attack west, where were the crack troops poised to go through the gap that could have been used to hammer the invaders. Instead they, with much publicity, pulled up 'reserves'.

Could this 'open door' have been part of the plan to lure the Ukies in. They had to be allowed far enough in the make a PR impact before being stopped.

Against that is the length of time the UA has been planning for the operation, seemingly not spur of the moment exploiting a temporary weakness. Unless the Russians spotted the UA preparations and gave them a preferred path.

Ka52 has worked on an air target , Voevoda says Hermes has entered the fray

Спектр управляемого вооружения нашей Армейской Авиации продолжает множится.

Обкатали новенькое. Классное. Скоро покажем.

Война дала очень сильный пинок для всех.

То, что, никогда бы не было принято на вооружение раньше, сегодня активно громит врага.

What you said is contradictory.
"Ka52 has worked on an air target"
Hermes can only hit ground targets.

If they are referring to that evolution of the pantsir-type missile with long range and thermal/laser homing head that is exciting news! I seem to recall interesting images of used first stages seen in previous conflicts which might have pointed to an earlier prototype. The speed and configurability of the pantsir type missiles is awesome. Always wondered if they could develop a powerful first stage that would speed up a guided tungsten alloy penetrator.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.censor.net/en/photo_news/299501/russia_destroys_ukrainian_tanks_and_aircrafts_using_the_latest_pantsyr_and_hermes_missiles_photos

All highly speculative but this site has one of the images I was mentioning. Here is one of the images below.

xeno wrote:What you said is contradictory.
"Ka52 has worked on an air target"
Hermes can only hit ground targets.

I don't know if you remember the ill-fated US/Canadian ADATS missile? Hermes is supposed to be similar in the sense that it can engage ground, sea and air targets.

Russia needs to KILL 500+ NATO personnel ASAP and record it on video. The NATO terrorist attack on the russian convoy in Kursk Cannot go Unpunished. American and NATO blood needs to be spilled ASAP.

TMA1 wrote:

All highly speculative but this site has one of the images I was mentioning. Here is one of the images below.

The pic proves nothing. It is just a standard 57E6 missile 2nd stage.



Hermes uses it too.

JohninMK wrote:

kvs wrote:I smell a type of psyop here. 

There were a few comments at the start that there had been a de-mining in that area, prior to a Russian attack west. If the de-mining had taken place ahead of an actual plan to attack west, where were the crack troops poised to go through the gap that could have been used to hammer the invaders. Instead they, with much publicity, pulled up 'reserves'.

Could this 'open door' have been part of the plan to lure the Ukies in. They had to be allowed far enough in the make a PR impact before being stopped.

Against that is the length of time the UA has been planning for the operation, seemingly not spur of the moment exploiting a temporary weakness. Unless the Russians spotted the UA preparations and gave them a preferred path.

Strangely enough, there are recent reports of Nazi UAV intrusions inside Belarus which is now militarizing the border. Whether they are actual Ukrainian intrusions or Russian false flags, it may open the door for official Russian-Belarus cooperation that would witness a big arrow push to Sumy and Chernigov from the North, trapping the Kursk bulge Inchon 1950 style then move towards Kiev.

ALAMO wrote:

TMA1 wrote:

All highly speculative but this site has one of the images I was mentioning. Here is one of the images below.

The pic proves nothing. It is just a standard 57E6 missile 2nd stage.
Hermes uses it too.

Good point.
The link between the rocket motor and the warhead on the Pantsyr's missiles below...


seems to differ significantly from the Hermes


Compare that to the picture posted below - then it looks like a Pantsyr missile on the left.

Analysis of the Ukrainian intrusion into the Kursk Oblast:


https://x.com/MikaelValterss1/status/1822227192610197790



He wrote that there are probably around 10 000 troops on each side on the "Kursk Front."

Still waiting for a Mass Genocide of NATO and Ukrainian troops as payback for Thursday's Himars strike on Kursk.

Russia needs to KILL a minimum of 1000+ American, European and Ukrainian Terrorists and capture their corpses on video for All of the World to see.

This needs to happen ASAP!

Here are links

Ka52 uses Hermes to kill Mi-8 of the VSU:
https://t.me/ZOV_Voevoda/18315

Ka52 using hermes to kill Ukrainian drones

https://t.me/ZOV_Voevoda/18340

Its insinuated Hermes - because it is a “new missile” and some of us did suggest Vikhr but apparently not?

So that leaves hermes

But you are aware that aside from the subtitles - both videos carry not a single proof?
For the records, I give a round shit - it is just the Russkie version of "wunderwaffle" concept and is being exploited now by content harvesters.
Gimmie more money, dey hroshi, Russkie way.
If they have included Hermes to the arsenal - makes a zero gain game.
Even if, so what?
Click... click ... click ...

Residential buildings in Kursk hit again by NATO missiles.

The Terror campaign towards Russia will not end unless Russia Massacre American,  European and Ukrainian peoples.

What you said is contradictory.
"Ka52 has worked on an air target"
Hermes can only hit ground targets.

Hermes is essentially a replacement for Vikhr, which is fully air to air and air to ground capable.

You flick a switch before launching the Vikhr to enable a HE frag warhead or a HEAT armour piercing warhead... and also whether the proximity fuse is activated or not.

All highly speculative but this site has one of the images I was mentioning. Here is one of the images below.

The solid rocket booster shown in both pictures is a standard design used for sounding rockets. It comes in three different models, each of a different size and speed performance. With the original you could stack two together with the third stage being the sounding rocket itself and different combinations of the three and whether one or two were being used determined how high the sounding rocket could be launched.


Any boosters found in combat zones are likely from Pantsir launches and Tunguska launches.

atleast a source link? it feels unreal that Hermes is being used now after 30 years

A war against a peer enemy is a good driving force that gets things into service and use much faster than in peacetime when all sorts of obstacles get in the way.

The pic proves nothing. It is just a standard 57E6 missile 2nd stage.

They are used on SOSNA, and three different boosters for Pantsir (the 12km, 20km and 35km range models). They are also used with sounding rockets widely used by air defence forces...

The link between the rocket motor and the warhead on the Pantsyr's missiles below...

There are at least three different booster rocket types/sizes.

Its insinuated Hermes - because it is a “new missile” and some of us did suggest Vikhr but apparently not?

So that leaves hermes

Could be SOSNA... that is another dual use two stage laser beam riding missile they are close to deploying...

If they have included Hermes to the arsenal - makes a zero gain game.

They have extended the effective vision of both their attack helicopters... Hermes or SOSNA missiles enable them to engage targets at extended ranges so it makes those helicopters safer so it does improve things.

Using an atgm against a slow air target isn't anything new. Ka-52 has a radar and good optics that can lock on any target, if the missile is agile enough and it is because it's a pantsir derivative then you can easily target a big helicopter. A drone would require a proximity fuse.

We know very little about hermes.

Vikhr has a proximity fuse and a HEAT warhead that can detonate like a HE Frag round when needed with the flick of a switch before launch.

Hermes is a multipurpose missile intended to hit a wide range of targets but I would say it would not be particularly efficient against most types of drone... especially the smaller ones.

Against large heavier recon drones spotting targets it would of course be worth it.

The Terror campaign towards Russia will not end unless Russia Massacre American, European and Ukrainian peoples.

Their actions will not make Russians into nazis, but it will require plans to be changed and the situation for Kiev to be made rather worse.

What they just did to the Russian forces can be done to them but Russias capacity to do it 1000 times greater and Kiev simply does not have the manpower to stop them or even to deal with it.

Here is the explanation how Ukraine managed to breach into Kursk region: Kursk region invasion

If true it could be new chapter in warfare globally and significant demonstration of Ukrainian capabilities.

PhSt wrote:Residential buildings in Kursk hit again by NATO missiles.

The Terror campaign towards Russia will not end unless Russia Massacre American,  European and Ukrainian peoples.

I read that Russian AD had hit the incoming missile and it fell on the building. Collateral damage.