Russia has to use low intensity tactical nuclear weapons. Choose the Ukrainian concentrations and evaporate them. Will there be contamination? and yes, bad luck. But that's better than continuing to extract this. That ends everything.
I understand what you are trying to suggest, but for all those in power in the west who would be shocked back to reality by such a thing, there are plenty of others who will see it as panic and think what they are doing is working.
There will be others who think the use of nuclear weapons, which is a taboo for most countries, suggests Russia is out of control and has lost its mind, and has opened Pandoras box... a box that cannot be closed again once opened.
Garry, do you know what the problem is too? not knowing who your enemies are. Keep talking about Nazis (as if you were in the 40s) when it is the globalist Jews and Zionists who govern Ukraine with the support of Israel and the USA, and want to destroy Russia. If you don't identify the enemy, you're in trouble.
I identify them as nazis because that is what they are... they are older than Germans nazis of the 1930s and many sympathised until their open crimes made that impossible. Zelensky won the election in Kiev because he is a jew, it is a cover to hide the fact that the people around him are not, he is the token to show they can't be nazis because their leader is a jew... who would even call this beggarman a leader? I think it is funny that so many hardcore pro Ukrainian banderites hate having him as their leader even if they understand why. This is the white super race, that left Europe some time ago and now resides in the US in very big mansion complexes.
Yep the "industrial scale" foxholes is not going to help much!
I believe Mattel got the contract...
The enemies are the Ukrainians, because they are the only ones stupid enough to fall for Western propaganda and fight their war for them. Take them out and everyone else will draw the appropriate lessons from that.
They are a subset of Ukrainians... Bandarites or nazis... same animal, different label.
They use nazi symbols and follow nazi ideology as far as they appear to understand it, perhaps they believe it or maybe they are trying to piss off Soviets...
After 2.5 years and all the red lines, if your pro russian, hope Putin finally truly reached that point
You can't claim he is not being fair and given the west a chance to play ball... he has been doing this since 2000 and after 20+ years with different political parties in power they have rejected and even taken advantage of his good nature. But he has also taken steps to strengthen Russias position and improve its relations with the rest of the world which is now paying off big time.
but most Ukrainians see this as existential war for independence.
They were independent in 2014, their enemy was corrupt government and leadership that was destroying the country... which their turn to the west has only accelerated.
If they are constantly caught on back foot, this will only continue.
I think response has actually been rather successful for them so far. Putins responses have been well thought out and generally result in a much better situation for Russia each time the west does something stupid.
One could argue that there would be two ways of making Russia great... one would be a partnership with Europe as equal partners, and the other would be the complete separation of Russia from the western tentacles feeding from her like a leech. Russia could achieve either by force of will alone, they needed the west to do either one or the other, and they have done the other. It was the wests choice and Russia is developing and growing and the Europeans still don't look happy... they have that war with Russia they always wanted, but they are not winning like they thought they would.
Careful what you wish for.
Because the amount of men who have died to keep this “good czars and bad boyars” charade going is not justified at all - to keep Putins approval at 91%
What alternative choices were there?
Go hard out and murder even more of the people you say you are trying to save so you don't lose so many of your own... that is what the US has been doing around the planet for the last 80 odd years plus... do it for the lithium perhaps?
It is why Musk shows any interest at all... all that lithium sitting there... up for grabs.
No this must be now called into question and the military does so beautifully , stain the government and leave the burden of response with them
The military will no longer be a scapegoat for Putin
What are you talking about Arch? Putin has never blamed the Russian military, he has always placed the blame where it belongs... Kiev and Washington... where it belongs.
It is not comparable, the Ukrainian army is larger and better equipped than the Islamists of 1999.
It is, and it is getting hammered along the entire front line and now in this new pocket they have created for themselves.
The gas hub near the incursion means gas prices are going up for the EU in the middle of summer when they are supposed to be cheap...
Many red lines have been crossed and others will be crossed because the West and Ukraine know that Russia will only shout without a strong reaction.
Putin has essentially said there will be no peace negotiations... the destruction of the Ukraine army will continue till they collapse.
Give it a few months and he's back to voicing his conditions for peace negotiations on air
We will see, but I don't think so... I think Putin has realised they are playing games and don't care what is happening to either side. They have their reasons which have nothing to do with protecting ukraine or ukrainians... so there really is nothing to talk about.
These people can't be trusted anyway.
So Ukrainian president says about 1000 square km they are holding right now in Kursk region LOL
Most of us are laughing out loud at the things being said by Zelensky.... but there currently is no Ukrainian president.
Not impressed with Putin at all...He should be escalating now,
You have been saying this for years.
I'm not absolving anyone. But, from what i got from talking to Ukrainian refugees in Serbia, their position is that Russia in 2014 took part of their country and in 2022 attacked them because they wanted to become a part of EU and NATO.
And banning the Russian language and murdering people who spoke Russian and holding Bandera as a national hero has nothing to do with anything right?
I am sure plenty of German migrants to America will tell any American who would listen about these barbaric Soviet soldiers raping everyone and stealing everything and pretending they didn't know why... except they are monsters and barbarians.
You got outplayed in your own zone of influence.
Russia didn't interfere in the politics of Ukraine and didn't treat it as being within their sphere of influence. The west has no limits to its sphere and interfered everywhere as normal. They lost the game by default, a game no one should be playing... no honest freedom and democracy loving country anyway.
I don't think anyone on this forum expected in '22. that war will last 2.5 years and, especially, that after 2.5 years Ukrainians will be in Kursk oblast.
Only a fucking moron would make any claims about how long a war will last. It is not a shopping trip or a visit to the doctors.
Bismarcks quote meant he knew of no army that went in healthy and didn't come out chewed, and defeated. Ukraine's entire army isn't in Russia tho. So he quote doesn't quite fit them.
Well Bismark has been mentioned... what were the borders of Russia when Bismark was a thing?
I do not question Garry's policy of freedom of speech, but I do beg members of this forum to understand that the Maidan regime is different from the Ukrainian people.
Freedom of speech includes the freedom to be wrong.
Right now the Ukrainian people are largely doing as the government in Kiev tells them to do... as long as that is the case their personal views really don't matter much.
When they wake up and decide they want a different future to what is in store for them through the direction Kiev is taking them and they do something about it... like the little examples of sabotage and giving intel to the Russian things are going to continue.
it was a Drone Attack.
Or was it photoshop... not much obvious damage there...
Almost like half the Black Sea fleet that was sunk and a day or two later video of the sunk ship sailing into harbour...
I don't see Minsk agreement as that important, since “Alea iacta est” with Maidan. Minsk agreement was only an intermission between Act 1 and Act 2, imo.
Of course you and the entire west don't think the Minsk agreements were important, it was clear evidence from the start that Russia was not interested in any Ukrainian territory and only wanted a negotiated settlement to the conflict, while the Germans and French colluded with Kiev to build up Ukrainian forces for the purpose of taking territory by force from Russian speaking Ukrainians they dismissed as being Russians... which allowed them to murder them and shell and bomb them because they are Russians and Russians are to be exterminated. France and Germany and of course by definition the US signed off on this because they wanted Ukrainian resources and Russia stood in their way.
Perhaps in a generation the people of the Ukraine will realise that Russia was fighting for the people to prevent their oligarchs and politicians sell their country to the west for a dollar fifty.
Maybe they will never realise this. Who cares ... ****'em.
They like being the victim, it is easier to understand and you get to live in the EU on EU taxpayers dollars.
Whoever didn't like it was free to move to Russia. But, i think that you've already herd these stories, so lets not regurgitate.
Kosovo shows that when you are being oppressed by your own supposed government, like the Albanian Kosovo people pretend to be, then you can have your own country. It is a rule because the west made it a rule.
The Ukrainians who Ukrainians in Kiev murdered because they didn't speak their dialect and were banned to speak the language they spoke and the religion they chose could probably claim they were being oppressed.
Did Serbia ban languages and religions... did you get fines for not speaking Serbian?
Bad analogy.
Of course... the slaves stay in the slave quarters and the servant quarters.... there is no way they would be invited to live in the big house...
It is just not practical.
Stans will certainly not go to war with Russia. But, you can expect more Krokus type events. Stan immigrants are Russia's weakness.
A weakness that can be managed. The lawn is tidy, the fence is painted white, and if the bank manager demands full payment they have enough in petty cash to pay it all off. Can the west say the same?
That is just a meaningless word salad FP. Exactly outplayed. Let's say that, historically, 70% of Ukrainians, are more connected by culture, religion and history to Russians than Western Ukrainians. Closest analogy to this war would be if Serbia and Montenegro went to war. That would, indeed, be a catastrophy.
A better analogy is the US of A... built on immigrants or fugitives leaving Europe... they shared language and culture and religion, yet they also rejected being European and decided to create their own culture and modified the language and created their own religions... was Europe outplayed that America and Australia don't seem to want to be called European any more and revere their own culture... in fact have their own culture?
The difference is that Ukrainian culture is basically Russian culture from their perspective and how they were powerful when the Germans invaded because they are clearly good at being nazis.
I'm talking about big picture view. When the war started, this forum was full with "наступает Сергеи Шойгу" and similar types of bravado.
That is what you remember?
I remember not appreciating what was happening and why for several months after the attack... I don't remember anyone claiming it will be over in a week... mainly because that is the sort of shit you hear from the west and they are always wrong.
Even 8 8 8 in Georgia took 5 days, so that American general claiming 3 days to do anything is fucking stupid... but that is American generals for you.
Politics is more important than reality.
This is Russia's war to lose. Ukraine can't win this war without huge "help" from Russia's side.
Ukraine has been helping since 2014.
It's also humorous how Putin declared this as an "anti-terrorist" operation to clear kursk.
The man is literally doing everything he can not to declare war
Attacking and shooting at civilians is terrorism. There have been prisoners who have said they were ordered to shoot civilians... a war crime.
Declaring war is what the west wants, and what you want... if he wanted to it would already have happened. Criticise him for not using western or your tactics all you want but Russia is where it is because of him and that burns in the western halls of power...
So explain to me why it was only the Ukrainians (and okay, other Eastern Europeans) that were fooled?
Yes, why didn't they hold referendums in Finland and Sweden about joining HATO?
Pretty important to give up neutrality for these states... but no vote of the people?
Perhaps they couldn't be bothered rigging the vote?
Locally, I've already talked about how those border guards performed poorly, at least on that section of the front.
Yeah, because it was the Soviet border force that held back the Germans for 3 years in operation Barbarossa that won the war for the Soviets in the end.
Border forces are not supposed to face down and stop incursions like this... they are not a barrier, they are a tripwire that activates the forces that do stop the incursion and push it out or destroy it.
I largely agree with you, when it comes to Crimea, with addition that consecutive Russian governments didn't do enough by ignoring Crimea referendum and not having an ear for their grievances.
What were they supposed to do? Agreements were made and had to be abided by or you would have to start again.
Russia abided by the agreements right up until Kiev pissed on them one too many times and they took it upon themselves to get out of the gang.
Russia took its opportunity and it is what it is now. Crimea and Russia are happy over that and Kiev is bitter and angry.
I said that I don't see Minsk as important, since it was created to give Kiev some breathing space. Merkel is on record with that, as well. These people blamed "separs" for non-implementation of cease fire. I don't see Minsk as any sort of solution. Intermission, as i said.
It was their only change to get those regions back (not crimea).
All they probably had to do was not ban the Russian language and not ban Russian religions and culture and things probably would have settled down, but they wanted war and they got war and now they are not happy because they know they are not going to win.
They wanted war because they dreamed they would win and get what they want and dictate terms to Russia.
But they want to be victims now and for us to feel sorry for them that big bully Russia has invaded when it is clear they intended this fight all along... they just saw it going much better for them and that is what they are butt hurt about.
They have some valid, more or less, in their eyes grievances against Russians.
And some Nazis might have gotten kicked out of their houses by money lending jews, but man up and take responsibility for your actions... you pushed for war and got what you wanted and the results sting... well **** you bitches... Russia is beating you and all that money you owe to the west wont be forgotten you know.
In this situation Russia should and must use nukes. The alternative is that Russia will (again) lose millions of its people in a total war against the West.
Waiting for the moral outrage from certain members who were upset at PhSt...
Microwave popcorn... 500 watt setting for 3 minutes 55 seconds... and beep.
Even if Russia (still) has overwhelming military superiority over Ukraine, with Putin everything is possible.
As the west has found over and over and over again, overwhelming military superiority means nothing if you can't apply it.
Ironically the Russian overwhelming superiority that is helping it beat the entire west is its production capacity and its logistics... they are kicking arse.
But of course they are superior in plenty of other areas too.
No wonder the Russian military hates him.
The Russian military has a job to do and so does Putin. Letting the military do what they like is like letting a penis do as it pleases... you end up masturbating in public or trying to nail something horribly under age or off species.
Putin has been careful with the lives of the Russian military and I am sure they understand and respect that... if they don't they can ask any of their Ukrainian and mercenary prisoners and they will tell them how their day has been.
No it's a move that makes sense. He's basically calling Ukrainian forces terrorists.
Which lays the groundwork for changing the approach to the war. Whether Putin will or not though is another question.
I am sure he will only declare war if he absolutely needs to, but thanks to Kiev they are losing elite forces at a much higher rate and he now has the option to go full war mode if he wants to.
Winter is coming, US elections is coming, Kiev economic collapse is coming, and they are also running out of men I believe... would a declaration of war be needed?
This is some cope man, they are not terrorists, they are the opposing force in a war conducting a legit military action. This doesn't make them terrorists,
Ahh come on... you are American... every enemy of America is a terrorist isn't it? That is how brutal violence and not having to negotiate is justified.
He doesn't NEED the groundwork to change anything, the man could literally declare war tomorrow and here is what the MOD would say "FUCKING FINALLLY"
But what would change?
He merely doesn't want to declare war and loose his ability to micromanage it, that is why he called it an anti terror operation because if he called it what it really was, he would have been forced by russian law to declare a state of war
Why do you think he loses control in the case of a declaration of war?
Why should Ukrainian military being on Russian soil be called terrorism?
Orders to shoot civilians and occupying civilian villages of no military value... he can call it anything he likes.
Because long as he doesn't he retains a lot of power when calling the shots of the war, but when War is declared he loses a lot as the military can then mass mobilize etc, they cannot do this without war being declared at least not without Putins permission.
And what benefits do you see to a mass mobilisation?
he is basically in simple terms trying to win by telling his guys to make do with the bare min while also telling them they cannot hit certain targets without his permission,
Bullshit. They created the initial invasion force and sent it in, and then down the track a bit they decided to add another 300K, which they mobilised.... which tested the mobilisation system and had a few glitches and presumably they are now sorted out, so if they need another mobilisation it will likely run rather better this time around.
But what will they need more men for... they seem to have everything in hand.
Oh I know, I just love how cheerleaders here act like the Duma and guys like Mevdev aren't getting pissed off with how Putin is handling the war, despite the fact they are, the MOD is annoyed, most of the politicians are, a lot of the higher ups like Mevdev are.
You always have good cop bad cop... but Kiev has already said it wont negotiate with the good cop, so cancelling negotiations and calling them terrorists is like blowing up the gas pipes... negotiations are over and there is no chance of resurrecting them, no matter who gets elected in the US, no matter when they default on their loans, no matter when they run out of men, no matter how far they get pushed back over the next few months.
I highly doubt Russia has that much reserves in order to get near Kiev they would need around 150k troops while also keeping enough forces within their boarder to protect themselves, They would need to do a general mobilization which Putin isn't allowing.
And yet the last time they got there that was about the size of their entire force and the Orc force was rather less depleted... and probably more mobile.
IMO Russia should just go war eco, take the small hit to the eco it would from doing this (because whenever you shift from civilian eco to wartime evo your GDP does suffer), mobilize mass troops and just end the war in a year, better to take a short term pain then a long term drain
Funny how the west claims another Afghanistan... 10 years of war... and keep suggesting Putin escalate to get it finished within a year or two.
What is the hurry?
Can't be all the men dying every day... clearly never cared about them...
I'm not wanking myself off too hard but I predicted this a year or so ago
Hahahaha... make sure they learn the channel to surrender and fly to Russia...
Invitation to suicide missions if they fly over Ukria. But I bet they will pull the tactic of shooting off missiles from Polish or Romanian airspace.
That would make Poland and Romania parties to the conflict and therefore fair game... so do it.
Operation Certain Death.
He could regime change Kiev and save lives. Why not try regime change at this point? Just slaughter the entire standing government and see who replaces it
I would say security around the Rada and Zelensky is pretty tight and no two officials will spend too much time in each others company so taking them all out might be a problem.
Could also go Israeli and invite them to a peace summit and them hit them with hypersonic missiles.
Nah, that's fag talk right there
Here's what should be done:
We kill Nazis. All of them
Then we kill families of Nazis. All of them
Then we kill everyone who thinks we might have been too harsh when we killed Nazis. All of them
Once that is done we may or may not look into Jews. Probably not because once Nazis are gone the problems are solved
More genocide talk.... more freedom of speech.
But you hit on an obvious problem... once one group is eliminated often other groups pop up and fill the gap and can be just as big a problem... the reality is that the problems never go away... the secret is learning to deal with them... and I don't me conduct open trade with them.
Freedom of speech means you hear lots of things you might not want to hear, but you also tend to hear the truth... censorship is just teaching people to not say out loud things they think, so that just means they hide the monster.. which is not healthy and not safe either.
What's the purpose of saving Ukrainian lives?
Many of them are fighting hard for their right to speak Russian and now to be Russian citizens.
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